Rines Never Win Like This
Ambrosek
Join Date: 2003-12-06 Member: 24018Members
Join Date: 2003-12-06 Member: 24018Members
In some games, marines never win
While the game start, sulk protect gorge to build sc around ur base, this block the way out.Aslo, sc is suck at the beginning. 5 sulk ambush outside the base, even u got 10 marines rushing out, it was useless.
Somehow, when most of ur rines dead, sulk rush ur base and gameover.
If not, when u get ur obs up, surprise, allien contorl all the rt and OC farm are everywhere.Not more than 10 min, 3 hives up and game over.
Also, early fade and onos are often see in [sc game]
How can rines win in such case??
Remeber, no matter how pro u re, u will die and when u get MT up, u wont have money to upgrade other stuff.Also, u cant see allien ambush when they dont move.
While the game start, sulk protect gorge to build sc around ur base, this block the way out.Aslo, sc is suck at the beginning. 5 sulk ambush outside the base, even u got 10 marines rushing out, it was useless.
Somehow, when most of ur rines dead, sulk rush ur base and gameover.
If not, when u get ur obs up, surprise, allien contorl all the rt and OC farm are everywhere.Not more than 10 min, 3 hives up and game over.
Also, early fade and onos are often see in [sc game]
How can rines win in such case??
Remeber, no matter how pro u re, u will die and when u get MT up, u wont have money to upgrade other stuff.Also, u cant see allien ambush when they dont move.
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When you know they have SC, put up Obs at all major locations. With this many Obs you can scan ahead for your marines making it easier than usual with aid of the minimap.
Edit: What the hell? This is in frontiersmen Strategy... from what I can understand this is a strategy for aliens to build SC outside the Marine Start?! Is this guy asking what to do in such a situation as marines?
I guess, get out there quickly, and shoot them for the love of god before they can build! Don't waste time in base get marines out to resource towers and push back straight away.
obs reveals cloakers so if the marines still can't kill them, then it becomes a problem of your marines can't aim. in that case, get better marines. lol.
- Build observatory if not done already
- research phase gates
- Push out of Marine start using scans and cap any nodes on the way to a unoccupied hive
- Build a arms lab around this time and get armor 1, Be sure your marines aren't going into heavily defended positions with focus skulks around without armor 1!
- Depending upon how big the game is... have 1-2 rambos run around killing alien RTs
- Build PG and mine up around hive RT... electrify RT and build an observatory in that location
- Drop welders if you have many injured marines, keep that armor in good shape
- Use the new observatory energy + the obs at base to push out (leaving one/two behind to guard base and hive room) to other unoccupied hive
- Build PG, an observatory, put mines around PG, get RT, build TF at each hive and get turrets up
Congrats... you have won the game. If you fail while doing this you were never going to win anyways. I recommend Mines... lots of mines (no bilebomb), and electrify all the res that you still hold. If all you have are the 2 RTs in hive rooms and the 1 in base... then push out after the turrets are built and have your marines knock down any RTs they rebuilt. Fades will come but they have no regen... drop a few shotties (no more then 3) and gun him down quickly.
To do this you would need a team effort, but of course in any pub game if you get the whole team to do something then you will win no matter what. Like waiting 1.5minutes and then having all aliens attack the marine start at once. Most marines will be out of base. If they relocate you will at least kill 1 ip, rt, and armory plus cost of cc so costing the marines 70 res at start. Thats an armory upgrade and level 1 armor/weapons.
its indeed that simple. I just put the main points in a row.
and no, focus skulks can do crap if you scan on a regular basis.
Some comms try to use electrified RT with SC, so you could try it too..
NOOOOO
build obs
scan out of base
use ur aim
kill those skulk
turret farm like mad spam obs spam scans elec all so they see sc is crap
No way sc is gonna bring u victory unless A) comm sux (wich u will win with dc or mc) B) whole rine team sux (wich u will win with dc or mc)
the problem with sc is not early game is mid one
are fades with sc really dangerous? =)
With blink and flap flap they can retreat to hive easily enuf, and the 2 of them protecting your building second hive will work very well.
So yeah, you need to cook up a plan for that situation to either take 2 hives (reloc to 1 and just keep tabs on the other one), rush 1 (unlikely vs sensory) or get a good bit of early res (in which case you can afford any of the pricey SC counters, like static defenses or multiple obs - with which in turn you'll ensure they don't get/keep that 2nd hive).
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everytime u get hurt u have to retreat to base this cost time while the rines r moving to ur 2 hive
When they come back for arm lab or others, sc all over ur area with foucs , and a quick strike and game over
Your marines are simply inept, AFK, or simply mentally retarded. This is what there doing correct?
Marine1-3: BrbAFK
Marine4: I want shotty!
Marine5: Builds structures
Commander: OMGWTH, TAH KHAARA BE BUILDIN' OUT BY TAH BASE!?
Marine4: Gimme shotty!!!
Marine5: I'll go and see sir.
The dreaded gorge has just hatched......with 2 skulks of [}00///\\\
Marine5: n000!!!! *Kills 1 skulk and dies.......SC goes up*
You have lost the game because your team were idiots.
You can easily kill the gorge which would take at least 30 seconds to even get a gorge by your enterance, then building the SC without any marine interverence.
That doesn't happen very often.
Lerks may be a problem but they have no regen, simply stave them off with LMGs. Trust me their easily killed so all they can really do is harass you with spores, just make sure you have a marine with 1-2 welders....I said the w word and will be punished shortly by pubbies.
Pistols help with lerks, when the pathetic fades come by shotties slaughter them to the point their always blinking...in retreat.
Electricity = safe invincible RT in a pub, in a clan you can still annoy skulks with it.
Once you have MT you can simply counter SCs and dominate the map.
Yes, a few marines will die to focus but when focus is nullified by armor 1 that won't be to problematic.
Your base will be mined so fear not the 'mighty' skulks of SCs.
You only have to fear this mainly in Hera and other alien biased maps.
All strategies are viable however, but SCs are easily countered by my above points, still you may find SCs effective.....do use them for I am bored of DMS builds.