You know, these threads are like an 'Idea-o-matic': You list the disposable resources, pack it all in a little nebulous talking, and the community brews up multiple interesting ideas all by itself.
Da_SargeOld School SuckJoin Date: 2002-10-15Member: 1502Members
<!--QuoteBegin-Redford+Apr 3 2004, 10:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Apr 3 2004, 10:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I can assure you it has absolutly nothing to do with treefrogs. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Arg.......well, my hopes are crushed.
<!--QuoteBegin-Soylent green+Apr 3 2004, 01:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Soylent green @ Apr 3 2004, 01:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or finally something done about bunnyhopping. Could be easier for newbies to learn(thanks to holding space makes you jump repetedly or something like the "triple-jump script" being built in) and explained in the manuals or removed entirely from the game(it is NOT difficult to remove it, even I could do it and that says a lot about the meager skills needed to do this). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Something was done, I cant believe there are still misconceptions about this. Bhopping was (officially) deemed fitting for the aliens. Flayra left it in on purpose.
I guess you got a point about the triple jump script tho.
Svenne_Man: check the animations of all the marine buildings...get ready to wet your ponce..
Let's see....Flayra is a programmer, XP-Cagey is a programmer, and *gasp* jev is a programmer!
I wonder what they'll be brewing because Cagey is pretty good in making map compile programs(ok, modify) and joev is teh server guy....
Makes me wonder if it would be an server built-in map creator.....hehehehe Or making infestation parasite players.....or teh scorpians! Or maybe more weapons for NS because they found a way to bypass the weapon limit without anything buggy happening?!
Actually, Cageys main task around NS is to maintain the site. Not trying to neglect his outstanding abilities as coder here, just pointing out that his HTML and PHP knowledge is just as extensive.
I was going to venture that they were going to implement Cagey's own idea of "power cells" (check his sig), but now that Nem has told us that he's a site administrator or whatnot, never mind.
Realistically...they are wanting to move the game out of beta...so I really doubt it is anything that could effect balance. Thus, it is pretty unlikely to be anything that would specifically benefit the Marines or the Aliens. Otherwise we'd be in beta for ever as they work out balance issues.
It must be something else. Something a player can use regardless of whether he/she is an Alien or a Marine; or some new game form.
Multipul upgrades or... "reevolving" for aliens to allow more then one type of chamber ability (ala Combat)
Lerk spikes
The elimination of a major tech/unit in the game and replaced with something new
As stated, the ability to build chambers freely
OMG VEHICLES!!!!!! ns_Jeepathon2k4!!!!!! ^_^ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I kind of doubt it is any of those.. for the following reasons. First of all, Flayra Joev and xp-cagey are working on it. So it generally isn't something that flayra could do himself. Right? So that rules out Lerk spikes, multiple upgrades and removing/adding tech/units. To put it simply, Flayra has already done examples of all of these things. Lerk spikes he could probably do in a couple seconds, multiple upgrades probably just copy it from combat and so on. The removal of tech or something wouldn't require anyone else, let alone help from two people.
Second of all, what is being worked on is a "SYSTEM". Thus it must to an extent by systematic. Right? Most of the systems in NS work behind the scenes. Its not something they could just describe to you, you would need to see it in action. I mean, the res system and particle system aren't exactly things you can just automatically know by being told or giving it a name. Lerk spikes? Not a system. Removing/Adding tech/unit? Not a system. Multiple upgrades, could be classed as a system. But thats already been ruled out. vehicle, I guess a vehicle system could be it.. but since it wouldn't fit the game. No.
I think Nem was on the right track by pointing out Cageys main job on the site, So, lets look for somethings in common between the three people working on the system. First, we have Cagey. He maintains the site and such. As Nem pointed out, he knows quite a bit about PHP and HTML. He also knows a fair bit about mapping, although that may not be an important point Next, we have Joev. Joev runs Jarhedz and hosts NS.org. Also, from what I have heard he knows a fair bit about linux. But again, that may not be important. The main thing I would like to point out is that I think that what ever this system is, it probably has to do with connectivity and NS.org.
Now, we get on to Flayra. Numerous times he has expressed ideas about wanting NS to be a large ongoing war, where every battle effects another one, and so on. That would require a fair bit of connectivity.. an online database and someone to maintain it.. Although, it is obviously not such, just because that would be really hard to balance.. Not to mention it would take a lot longer, and probably won't even be in NS2..
or, on the other hand, it could be something completely different and I'm a complete idiot. I dunno.. I just really think what ever the system is.. its probably going to have to do with some form of online database..
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Something was done, I cant believe there are still misconceptions about this. Bhopping was (officially) deemed fitting for the aliens. Flayra left it in on purpose.
I guess you got a point about the triple jump script tho. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Then explain the number of how do you bhop topics, it's still hard for newbies to learn and it is still an undocumented feature not in the manual.
<!--QuoteBegin-RaVe+Apr 4 2004, 04:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RaVe @ Apr 4 2004, 04:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> lol Del way to go spoiling the big new feature, now that I know....
Ironically, I'm not spilling a single bean.....NEVAR! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> seems like the most logical connection to me... and since i know about 4-5 "systems" that are being changed, i'm not sure which one the news says... so that's one that works with what nem said...
i don't think that's what will be implemented... it seems kinda trivial to me, especially when there's a lot of stat/admin mod plugins already, and HLTV on the way. Besides, he mentioned "playing," and the phpua thing is a server side mod...
personally, I'm aiming for either: - volumetric grenades, spores, umbra, and FLAMETHROWER! - completely new resource system (unlikely, as this would involve another round of private betas to get right... and I DON'T want to see a 4.0 come out in the middle of a balance crisis) - super h4x system that lets ns run decently smooth on a 1.5 mhz AMD, with a fx5200! (i wish)
and that's about it. i'm dying to find out what it is though. If it turns out to be as disappointing as the hand grenade or the grenade launcher then... UGH, just... ugh...
<!--QuoteBegin-Delarosa+Apr 4 2004, 09:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ Apr 4 2004, 09:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> /me follows nem0's lead <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> For the record, I haven't got the faintest idea of what Flay is up to, I was just trying to point out that it isn't necessarily pure code.
I think it is detailtextures... because it is cool, but not a whole new system tough. Or maybe they have found a way to get all the cool animations to work, doubt it to tough.
EDIT: Or maybe the have inplented multiple levels, so if you press a button as comm you go up/down one level, would be damned cool <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm worried I'm going to be horribly dissapointed when we do find out. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Da_SargeOld School SuckJoin Date: 2002-10-15Member: 1502Members
Everyone should just assume the "big change" is a kick to the ****, so that when it does come out, hopefully we will be pleased. This way, no ones hopes will be crushed...unless you enjoy getting kicked in the ****.
Maybe the big change is that 1 hive Fades wont be practically invulnerable <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> As commander Ive beaconed three times because a Fade tore up all 7 of my marines over and over again <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Delarosa+Apr 3 2004, 11:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ Apr 3 2004, 11:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://phpua.sourceforge.net/' target='_blank'>*cough* *cough*</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> It can't be that. If it is... My left nut will explode.
Hrm... XP-Cagey is working on it, so it's probably based on maps if it isn't on connectivity (did I already mention battle.net?)... And maps... They're so... Hrm... Systematic... Maybe it's a new way for Aliens to take out structures? Or maybe there's only one hive initially, and the other hives are built dynamically, in whatever place the Gorge chooses, by gradually infesting the walls with goopy stuff.
The devs did at some point hint that they were working on a new spawn system, and that would definately count as a "system" and would definately change Combat drastically.
TekdudeJoin Date: 2003-04-13Member: 15455Members, Constellation, Forum staff
Perhaps it is screen rotation, like for skulks and lerks. When you run up a wall, it stays below you, and everything shifts.
And it would be nice for lerks if they could somehow remove the thing that only lets you look straight up. Being able to pull of loops would be fun, especially in the more open maps. Eh... I always wanted that.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Finally, there is also one big new system that XP-Cagey, Joev, and myself are working on that will open up lots of possibilities. We will be making a <span style='color:red'><b>big announcement</span></b> about this system as we get closer to releasing it, but it will suffice to say that we think it will transform how NS is played. We're really excited about it, and I think you guys will love it. Stay tuned.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The big announcement is when this new system will be released... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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We're on to you, Charlie!
Arg.......well, my hopes are crushed.
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Something was done, I cant believe there are still misconceptions about this. Bhopping was (officially) deemed fitting for the aliens. Flayra left it in on purpose.
I guess you got a point about the triple jump script tho.
Svenne_Man: check the animations of all the marine buildings...get ready to wet your ponce..
I wonder what they'll be brewing because Cagey is pretty good in making map compile programs(ok, modify) and joev is teh server guy....
Makes me wonder if it would be an server built-in map creator.....hehehehe
Or making infestation parasite players.....or teh scorpians!
Or maybe more weapons for NS because they found a way to bypass the weapon limit without anything buggy happening?!
EDIT: Nevermind, I found it through the wonders of google.
It must be something else. Something a player can use regardless of whether he/she is an Alien or a Marine; or some new game form.
Multipul upgrades or... "reevolving" for aliens to allow more then one type of chamber ability (ala Combat)
Lerk spikes
The elimination of a major tech/unit in the game and replaced with something new
As stated, the ability to build chambers freely
OMG VEHICLES!!!!!! ns_Jeepathon2k4!!!!!! ^_^
Multipul upgrades or... "reevolving" for aliens to allow more then one type of chamber ability (ala Combat)
Lerk spikes
The elimination of a major tech/unit in the game and replaced with something new
As stated, the ability to build chambers freely
OMG VEHICLES!!!!!! ns_Jeepathon2k4!!!!!! ^_^ <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I kind of doubt it is any of those.. for the following reasons.
First of all, Flayra Joev and xp-cagey are working on it. So it generally isn't something that flayra could do himself. Right?
So that rules out Lerk spikes, multiple upgrades and removing/adding tech/units. To put it simply, Flayra has already done examples of all of these things. Lerk spikes he could probably do in a couple seconds, multiple upgrades probably just copy it from combat and so on. The removal of tech or something wouldn't require anyone else, let alone help from two people.
Second of all, what is being worked on is a "SYSTEM". Thus it must to an extent by systematic. Right? Most of the systems in NS work behind the scenes. Its not something they could just describe to you, you would need to see it in action. I mean, the res system and particle system aren't exactly things you can just automatically know by being told or giving it a name.
Lerk spikes? Not a system.
Removing/Adding tech/unit? Not a system.
Multiple upgrades, could be classed as a system. But thats already been ruled out.
vehicle, I guess a vehicle system could be it.. but since it wouldn't fit the game. No.
I think Nem was on the right track by pointing out Cageys main job on the site, So, lets look for somethings in common between the three people working on the system.
First, we have Cagey. He maintains the site and such. As Nem pointed out, he knows quite a bit about PHP and HTML. He also knows a fair bit about mapping, although that may not be an important point
Next, we have Joev. Joev runs Jarhedz and hosts NS.org. Also, from what I have heard he knows a fair bit about linux. But again, that may not be important.
The main thing I would like to point out is that
I think that what ever this system is, it probably has to do with connectivity and NS.org.
Now, we get on to Flayra. Numerous times he has expressed ideas about wanting NS to be a large ongoing war, where every battle effects another one, and so on. That would require a fair bit of connectivity.. an online database and someone to maintain it..
Although, it is obviously not such, just because that would be really hard to balance.. Not to mention it would take a lot longer, and probably won't even be in NS2..
or, on the other hand, it could be something completely different and I'm a complete idiot.
I dunno.. I just really think what ever the system is.. its probably going to have to do with some form of online database..
I guess you got a point about the triple jump script tho.
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Then explain the number of how do you bhop topics, it's still hard for newbies to learn and it is still an undocumented feature not in the manual.
ie: 5 maps, you start in map #3, alien win you go towards map #1, marine win goes towards map #5. I dunno... speculate... speculate...
Ironically, I'm not spilling a single bean.....NEVAR!
Ironically, I'm not spilling a single bean.....NEVAR! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
seems like the most logical connection to me... and since i know about 4-5 "systems" that are being changed, i'm not sure which one the news says... so that's one that works with what nem said...
/me follows nem0's lead
personally, I'm aiming for either:
- volumetric grenades, spores, umbra, and FLAMETHROWER!
- completely new resource system (unlikely, as this would involve another round of private betas to get right... and I DON'T want to see a 4.0 come out in the middle of a balance crisis)
- super h4x system that lets ns run decently smooth on a 1.5 mhz AMD, with a fx5200! (i wish)
and that's about it. i'm dying to find out what it is though. If it turns out to be as disappointing as the hand grenade or the grenade launcher then... UGH, just... ugh...
Heck... I might even start playing NS again.
For the record, I haven't got the faintest idea of what Flay is up to, I was just trying to point out that it isn't necessarily pure code.
Or maybe they have found a way to get all the cool animations to work, doubt it to tough.
EDIT: Or maybe the have inplented multiple levels, so if you press a button as comm you go up/down one level, would be damned cool <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As commander Ive beaconed three times because a Fade tore up all 7 of my marines over and over again <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But they couldve just sucked
Here's hoping.
It can't be that. If it is... My left nut will explode.
Hrm... XP-Cagey is working on it, so it's probably based on maps if it isn't on connectivity (did I already mention battle.net?)... And maps... They're so...
Hrm... Systematic... Maybe it's a new way for Aliens to take out structures? Or maybe there's only one hive initially, and the other hives are built dynamically, in whatever place the Gorge chooses, by gradually infesting the walls with goopy stuff.
Ah, dreams.
And it would be nice for lerks if they could somehow remove the thing that only lets you look straight up. Being able to pull of loops would be fun, especially in the more open maps. Eh... I always wanted that.
The big announcement is when this new system will be released... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->