Friendly fire

Enforcer15 · October 2002

Is friendly fire on by default and if it is can it be turned off by the server?

Plaguebearer · October 2002

Friendly Fire is off.

Necro · October 2002

ff would be quite hectic i think <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

BedwettingType · October 2002

You can start a server in either Casual (default) or Tournament mode. In casual mode there is no FF, except for hurting yourself. In Tournament mode, though, FF is on, and I believe you can set off your own tripmines, and it takes resources to respawn. You'll want to run your clanmatches in Tournament mode.

ViPr · October 2002

oh no. NS has options like that? i just know the servers are gonna put it on the wrong settings then.

Daxx · October 2002

My, your mister negative all over the place. Try posting positive for once. It'll give you a warm feeling <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

FF servers for ANY mod are pretty scarce, and they are usually clan servers. Besides, you don't like tournament mode? Go to another server. Or, as I belive was suggested to you before, go to another mod.

ViPr · October 2002

i don't like casual mode.

BedwettingType · October 2002

You don't like anything, so that doesn't say much. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> But you'll dislike Casual mode the least.

ViPr · October 2002

i prefer tournament mode.

MooMoo_the_SnowCow · October 2002

How can you know you don't like casual mode. You haven't even played the game yet.

Gwahir · October 2002

not to mention I'm pretty sure you have trouble keeping to your word when a skulk leaps in among your fire team. Or you fire a bile bomb and ravage a few friendlies...

ViPr · October 2002

in casual mode, it doesn't cost you or your team anything if you die?

CMEast · October 2002

It would be bad if it cost the team in public mode. People might be playing for the first time ever, how can you expect them to stay alive?
I think the casual/tournament idea is brilliant. Most people have to create tournament versions of games or the tournament versions of the game are rubbish/not used.

coil · October 2002

99% of playtesting has been done to balance the Casual playmode, and this is what is being released. I'm not sure of Flayra's plans, but I have a feeling Tournament Mode will require more testing and balancing to make sure it works.

Trust me: casual mode is a TON of fun.

DOOManiac · October 2002

is tourney mode even in 1.0?? if it is, i've never ever seen it...

Greedo · October 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (ViPr @ Oct. 25 2002,17:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">in casual mode, it doesn't cost you or your team anything if you die?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
It costs however much your weapons/upgrades/evolutions cost to give you when you die. A Heavy armor, GL toting, welder packing marine can cost over 50 resources if no one's around to pick up his weapons.

JediYoshi · October 2002

ViPr, if you don't like casual mode, then it's pretty obvious you like tourny.

Pulse · October 2002

Tourny or casual? That kind of sucks, What if you wan't friendly fire but not a cost for respawning? can you manually get something in between?

ViPr · October 2002

if it costs nothing if you die then when people need repairs and resupply, instead of running back to base they should just type kill in the console or kill themselves some other way, coz that will be faster and i assume they get full health, armor, and a weapon with full ammo when they respawn so that's cheaper than reloading or repairing so they'd be doing the team a favour if they killed themselves. imagine someone comes stumbling into base with 1 health after miraculously surviving a massacre and being persued by enemy units, instead of being praised as a hero, everyone will be saying "oh you idiot! why didn't you just kill yourself!"

Darkness · October 2002

humm i believe EVERYTHIng other than standard equipment will cost dosh, so killing your slef will spoilt resources if you got other than the basics, so if you plan on running around with no upgrades so that you dont loose resourcepoints killing yoruself then i wont stop you coz im an alien and i like fast food <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

BTW do commander still give out the weapons or do the marines fetch them at the diff. buildings?

ChromeAngel · October 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (ViPr @ Oct. 26 2002,12:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if it costs nothing if you die then when people need repairs and resupply, instead of running back to base they should just type kill in the console or kill themselves some other way, coz that will be faster and i assume they get full health, armor, and a weapon with full ammo when they respawn so that's cheaper than reloading or repairing so they'd be doing the team a favour if they killed themselves. imagine someone comes stumbling into base with 1 health after miraculously surviving a massacre and being persued by enemy units, instead of being praised as a hero, everyone will be saying "oh you idiot! why didn't you just kill yourself!"</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Killing yourself costs time, this can be an important factor for the slow moving marines. There is a built in delay between death and respawn plus a queue of dead marines waiting to use the (usually) single infantry portal. Plus of course it can take you over a minute to get from your spawn point to the firefight, which is a long time in firefight terms.
When resources are low, i'm badly wounded and haven't got any special gear I have been known to kill myself rather than consume valuable med-kits.

Darkness:
The commander is the sole distrubutor of marine weapons and health. Ammo can be picked up at the armory (if the commander has placed one). Weapons can only be place by the commander within a fixed distance of the armory.

ViPr · October 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (ChromeAngel @ Oct. 26 2002,07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">When resources are low, i'm badly wounded and haven't got any special gear I have been known to kill myself rather than consume valuable med-kits.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
exactly the kind of thing that must be avoided by designing the game thoughtfully. this is why the casual mode is rubbish. the game should be designed in such a way that players are praised for making harrowing escapes and rescuing stricken comrades; not insulted.

Da_Sarge · October 2002

Wait a minute........are you insulting NS' gameplay???Is this possible....Well, first off, if a marine gets killed during a firefight and he is loaded up to the teeth with armour and weapons, of course it is gonna cost some RPs.In that manner, I believe, is where the most RPs are lost during a game, trying to respawn dead players.(I might be wrong, so PTs correct me if I am.) So, if they take that element out of the game, you can build up any structure you want, whenever you want, dump off GL,HMG and shotfuns all day, and still have RPs in the bank.(Maybe a little exagerated.)

ViPr · October 2002

<span style='color:red'>** Nuked ** You could have said all this with a lot less rancor and childishness. Next flame is a 1 week ban.</span>

Da_Sarge · October 2002

Man...if you got something against the game, what the hell are you doing in the forums. Just leave.

EDIT: I can't believe I wasted my 100th post on talking to this idiot....

BedwettingType · October 2002

ViPr, you confuse me. Whether you're a pessimist, a critic, or just a flamebait, I can't decide. But whatever it is, a lot of us are getting tired of it. I trust that you mean good, but as someone said earlier, you need to learn when to cut your losses. You don't know how casual mode will turn out, because you haven't even touched the game yet, whereas 100 something playtesters have. The fact that casual mode is still in says something.

Just calm down and wait for the release, ok?

ViPr · October 2002

i don't like that you censored my post, and that you censor many other posts, maybe THEY had something amusing to say.

PeregineDive · October 2002

vipr, some people don't like the fact you're here making accusations at NS when you haven't even played it. maybe you could amuse us by leaving? Or not being so negative, it is really hard to hold my tongue on people like you <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

-PD

ViPr · October 2002

<img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> I'm mad you deleted my post. I wanted all my friends to read it so we could all laugh our heads off and be jolly. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> party poopers!

hmmmmm, maybe i can remember what i wrote. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>

Silarn · October 2002

Now I almost want to know what he said...

Spyder_Monkey · October 2002

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (ViPr @ Oct. 26 2002,13:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> I'm mad you deleted my post. I wanted all my friends to read it so we could all laugh our heads off and be jolly. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'> party poopers!

hmmmmm, maybe i can remember what i wrote. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
MonsE doesn't play when he threatens bans. <img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

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