Air America Radio
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<div class="IPBDescription">Liberal talk radio!</div> <a href='http://www.airamericaradio.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.airamericaradio.com/</a>
Air America Radio begins broadcasting today at noon EST in major cities all over the country (follow the link to hopefully find a local one), starting with Al Franken's 3-hour talk show "The O'Franken Factor." There will also be a webcast (yay!) via RealMedia (more's the pity... why can't they just do a streaming PLS?).
Please don't turn this into a liberal vs. conservative flame war. I'm sure much of the content of AAR will be pretty damn biased, spun, and propaganda-ridden. But then, it can't be much moreso than conservative talk radio already well-entrenched in the airwaves (e.g. Rush Limbaugh). The point is that there is finally a talk radio alternative for the political lefties among us. (:
Air America Radio begins broadcasting today at noon EST in major cities all over the country (follow the link to hopefully find a local one), starting with Al Franken's 3-hour talk show "The O'Franken Factor." There will also be a webcast (yay!) via RealMedia (more's the pity... why can't they just do a streaming PLS?).
Please don't turn this into a liberal vs. conservative flame war. I'm sure much of the content of AAR will be pretty damn biased, spun, and propaganda-ridden. But then, it can't be much moreso than conservative talk radio already well-entrenched in the airwaves (e.g. Rush Limbaugh). The point is that there is finally a talk radio alternative for the political lefties among us. (:
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I can't believe Al Franken thinks the media is dominated by Conservatives. If I named all the Liberals in the media, I'd go on for a year or more. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh, and by the way, starting this thread in the first place is just begging for a flame war. You might want to close it.
:EDIT: Ohhh!!! I get it! He thinks there's too many conservatives on the RADIO. That's true enough.
I can't believe Al Franken thinks the media is dominated by Conservatives. If I named all the Liberals in the media, I'd go on for a year or more. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Oh, and by the way, starting this thread in the first place is just begging for a flame war. You might want to close it.
:EDIT: Ohhh!!! I get it! He thinks there's too many conservatives on the RADIO. That's true enough. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i agree <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ur smiley is backwards!!!! <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If you don't agree with Liberal Viewpoint X, then don't comment. This is meant to be informative only.
Gold.
Gold. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
not even conservitives like her <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
ruh roh, this exists in downtown NYC near the villiage, I've been there...
<a href='http://www.starbucks.com/retail/locator/PrxResults.aspx?a=1&GAD2=&GAD3=New+York+City+%5bNew+York%5d%2c+New+York%2c+United+States&GAD4=&LOC=40.7145015103521%3a-74.0069984496774&IC=40.7145015103521%3a-74.0069984496774%3a32%3aNew+York+City+%5bNew+York%5d%2c+New+York%2c+United+States&NR=20&radius=5&countryID=244&FC=RETAIL&dataSource=MapPoint.NA&isNav=1&ST=0&CT=40.7138631242857%3a-74.0073736780029%3a1.14462906751771%3a1.71694360127657&ZM=0.5#map' target='_blank'>11 starbucks in a ~7 block radius!</a>
I'm all for free speech, etc. (even though radio stations are under the guidelines of the FCC) but to parody the established "O'Reilly Factor" strikes me as 100% childish and puts a bad taste in my mouth to the whole station.
I'm all for free speech, etc. (even though radio stations are under the guidelines of the FCC) but to parody the established "O'Reilly Factor" strikes me as 100% childish and puts a bad taste in my mouth to the whole station. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's supposed to make fun of The O'Reilly Factor. The Fox News Channel sued Franken when the he titled his recent book "Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right."
"Fair and Balanced," of course, is a tagline used by FNC (whose biggest personality is Bill O'Reilly). The suit also took issue with the preliminary cover of Franken's book, which bears some resemblance to O'Reilly's own recent book. "The use of 'fair and balanced' in the title and the resemblance of the cover to the O'Reilly book is 'likely to cause confusion among the public about whether Fox News has authorized or endorsed the book and about whether Franken is affiliated with FNC'" (quote from a Washington Post article, which quotes the actual suit).
It was a ridiculous suit, and achieved nothing more than giving Franken the limelight and vastly improve sales of his book. Franken said specifically that the name of his show was deliberately a poke at O'Reilly, who also blew up at Franken and his publicist during a book exposition (O'Reilly first accused Franken's publicist of doctoring a picture of him on the cover, and then verbally attacked Franken during the public panel). I'd provide a link and a direct quote, but the site I saw it on has since been changed... Franken's comment was something to the effect of "I hope they try to sue us."
Found a link: <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/10/liberal.radio.ap/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/10/...o.ap/index.html</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Bill, I want you to sue us," Franken said, referring to a case last year in which a judge threw out Fox's request to ban Franken from using the slogan "Fair and Balanced" on the cover of his book, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right." The ruling turned into a bonanza of publicity for Franken.
Another lawsuit seems unlikely. Asked to respond to Franken's remarks, Fox News spokesman Robert Zimmerman said, "All forms of free speech are welcomed in this country. We wish them well."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Already happened in my home town in Chicago. Starbucks on the storefronts, and across the street, a Barnes and Noble bookstore with a starbucks two feet in the door.
Already happened in my home town in Chicago. Starbucks on the storefronts, and across the street, a Barnes and Noble bookstore with a starbucks two feet in the door. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Technically, B&N cafes aren't actual Starbucks. They're licenced to serve the coffee, but that's it. Same as airport kiosks. An example: you can't use a Starbucks card at a B&N, and Starbucks won't accept B&N cafe gift certificates. Whee semantics. ^^
(I work for Sbux)
It does happen, though. Starbucks does a lot of research, and one of the things they found (e.g. in New York) is that crossing the street is actually quite inconvenient to New Yorkers, who would be more likely to go to another store (even if they prefer Starbucks) if that store was more on their way from A to B. When my sister lived in NYC, there was a Starbucks across the street from her and another 3 blocks down, but on her side of the street.
the rest of the joke goes something like this...
"..I got to thinking. What kind of people would need the services of a Starbucks, across the street from a Starbucks. And I could only come up with one kind of people who would need this. Alhztimer victims. (paraphrase time) after spending the day drinking coffee walk out the front door see the Starbucks and say "Hey I could really go for a cup of Joe".
I'm all for free speech, etc. (even though radio stations are under the guidelines of the FCC) but to parody the established "O'Reilly Factor" strikes me as 100% childish and puts a bad taste in my mouth to the whole station. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's supposed to make fun of The O'Reilly Factor. The Fox News Channel sued Franken when the he titled his recent book "Lies and the Lying Liars who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right."
"Fair and Balanced," of course, is a tagline used by FNC (whose biggest personality is Bill O'Reilly). The suit also took issue with the preliminary cover of Franken's book, which bears some resemblance to O'Reilly's own recent book. "The use of 'fair and balanced' in the title and the resemblance of the cover to the O'Reilly book is 'likely to cause confusion among the public about whether Fox News has authorized or endorsed the book and about whether Franken is affiliated with FNC'" (quote from a Washington Post article, which quotes the actual suit).
It was a ridiculous suit, and achieved nothing more than giving Franken the limelight and vastly improve sales of his book. Franken said specifically that the name of his show was deliberately a poke at O'Reilly, who also blew up at Franken and his publicist during a book exposition (O'Reilly first accused Franken's publicist of doctoring a picture of him on the cover, and then verbally attacked Franken during the public panel). I'd provide a link and a direct quote, but the site I saw it on has since been changed... Franken's comment was something to the effect of "I hope they try to sue us."
Found a link: <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/10/liberal.radio.ap/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/10/...o.ap/index.html</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"Bill, I want you to sue us," Franken said, referring to a case last year in which a judge threw out Fox's request to ban Franken from using the slogan "Fair and Balanced" on the cover of his book, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right." The ruling turned into a bonanza of publicity for Franken.
Another lawsuit seems unlikely. Asked to respond to Franken's remarks, Fox News spokesman Robert Zimmerman said, "All forms of free speech are welcomed in this country. We wish them well."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We must also remember, though, that O'Reilly is a pompus jack*** that refuses to change his opinion, always thinking hes right.
My first impression isn't all that great. However, it is their first day and I'm willing to give them time to work out the bugs. Lots of bugs.
The 2 programs I heard (Franken and then some woman after) didn't really seem to hold my attention. The Anne Coulter bit on the Franken show was funny. At least the premise was funny. They pretty much beat it into the ground by making some lady ad lib in Anne's voice. The Moore, Gore, Franken combo was like listening to a train wreck. They definately need to work on their production quality.
Then there's woman after Franken. Whoa. Somebody needs a Prozac. For someone who says they've been doing a radio show for 10+ years, she's got some weak radio skills. Can't seem to hold a conversation with caller either.
Anyway, while this whole Liberal Radio Network idea makes me giggle uncontrollably, I'll be listening for at least a week or two before I make any solid judgements. Good luck to em.
Oh and regarding the whole "O'Franken Factor" deal, the childish sensation comes from thinking about how stale that novelty would be a year or so from now given that Franken will still have a radio show. I heard much chatter about how their comparing/contrasting themselves to Fox News or Rush or Hanity etc. If they really want to start something solid, they should do their own thing and stop trying to mimic what they despise. That's why it seems childish.
I really don't see why people hate him so much... I've seen several instances where he agrees with the person he's interviewing, but then will ask about an opposing position to get a few more facts. I've also seen him give concessions to those he disagrees with, and tries to zero in on given issues that make the most sense, and not the ones that have the most emotional charge and attention.
The New Liberal Radio station should be interesting. I think it's great, as long as they try and be moderate and talk about issues instead of how they hate Republicans. Frankly, no one would listen to any of conservative talk shows if all they did was point and laugh at liberals.
The New Liberal Radio station should be interesting. I think it's great, as long as they try and be moderate and talk about issues instead of how they hate Republicans. Frankly, no one would listen to any of conservative talk shows if all they did was point and laugh at liberals. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Er... yea you kinda summed it up. He isn't "bad", but yea he comes off as extremely arrogant to me.
What?
isn't that what those shows are all about??
1) O'Reilly states that the show he used to anchor, Inside Edition, has won a Peabody (most prestigious award in journalism).
2) O'Reilly states that the show won, he believes, two Peabodys.
3) Franken calls O'Reilly and asks; O'Reilly reaffirms: two Peabodys.
4) Franken calls the Peabody people and asks them. Inside Edition has never won a Peabody.
5) Franken calls O'Reilly back; O'Reilly says he'll look into it.
6) O'Reilly calls Franken back: "It was a Poke. Not a Peabody. Just as prestigious." <i>(Franken's comment: So there are *two* "most prestigious awards in journalism," Bill? A sidenote: Inside Edition won the Poke *after* O'Reilly had left the show!)</i>
That'd be something to begin with - O'Reilly the exaggerator. But here's the kicker:
7) O'Reilly states indignantly that he's been *accused* of claiming that the Poke Inside Edition won was a Peabody. He claims vehemently that he never said IE won a Peabody, that this was all fabricated to attack him. "That's attack journalism: it's dishonest, it's disgusting, and it hurts reputations."
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I haven't seen much of O'Reilly, but this is one of many images Franken offers up of the man. Am I only seeing one side of the argument? Sure. But it's a pretty compelling side.
I always knew you were a dirty beatnik Coil
Similar story from the great white north. We've got our Tim Hortons Coffee (along with Sbux), and a friend of mine from Windsor Ontario (just across the river from Detroit) said they were doing an experiment there. They just kept putting in new Tim Hortons to see how many they could add before they stopped being profitable. One intersection had Tim's drive-throughs on all four corners.
For another 'compelling' look at O'Reilly check out Maddox's take on him. Due to the nature of Maddox's site I wont directly link it (he likes the swears), but any search for his name should bring up his site "The best site in the universe". Right or wrong, Maddox is a funny guy.
Liberals, however, see things as many shades of gray. Being liberal means you have to examine all parts of an issue. Nothing is clear cut.
Few listen to talk radio to hear all sides of an issue adressed. They listen to hear Rush Limbaugh express his rather "unique" (I'm trying not to bad-mouth him, though I find it difficult) opinions and get angry about it.
Liberals, however, see things as many shades of gray. Being liberal means you have to examine all parts of an issue. Nothing is clear cut.
Few listen to talk radio to hear all sides of an issue adressed. They listen to hear Rush Limbaugh express his rather "unique" (I'm trying not to bad-mouth him, though I find it difficult) opinions and get angry about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Interesting point. I watch the Daily Show w/ Jon Stewart, and while Jon's views tend to be obvious to anyone who watches regularly, without him having to list them, he is a reasonable guy and regularly has polititions from all (both) sides on the show. I enjoy hearing both sides of the story. I once heard an offhand joke from a comedian about uninformed voters in America to the effect of "I watch Bill O'Reilly and thats good enough for me", implying that they just watch to find out what they should think.
My University just had a comically heated Students Union election and the school newspaper had a Jon Stewart quote during the election coverage that sums up democracy's main weakness:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->"You have to remember one thing about the will of the people: it wasn't that long ago that we were swept away by the Macarena."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What?
isn't that what those shows are all about?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nope. Most of these radio shows are about issues. To straighten that...
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Mar 31 2004, 11:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Mar 31 2004, 11:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The problem is the show won't last. If you'll notice, the conservative talk show hosts tend to be very, erm, "passionate" about the issue at hand, because its either right or its wrong (which is a big part of conservatism, assuming I spelled that right).
Liberals, however, see things as many shades of gray. Being liberal means you have to examine all parts of an issue. Nothing is clear cut.
Few listen to talk radio to hear all sides of an issue adressed. They listen to hear Rush Limbaugh express his rather "unique" (I'm trying not to bad-mouth him, though I find it difficult) opinions and get angry about it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
People listen to hear the host's point of view but also to hear other people's (ie the callers) as well. The majority of these shows take current events or topics from TV or print news and compare/contrast the host's or caller's views against the reporter's or the story's subject. As you can see, there is a bit more going on than just some babbling, open mouthed head. I heard little to none of this today but I'll be listening for more in the future.
Left leaning individuals are often scorned by their colleagues for listening to Rush or other Right minded hosts. They freely drop bombs such as "blow-hard" or "bigot" without taking the time to listen and understand exactly what goes on for 3 hours of every week day. I'll be listening to Air America for a few laughs and to reaffirm why I disagree with them. Millions listen to Rush and co. for exactly the same reason.