Constellation Test Faq

Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old EuropeanMembers, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Posts: 12,841
edited November 2006 in NS General Discussion
now with new line about 3.2 constellation test!
[insert by Marik]This thread was originally titled "3.1 / Constellation Test Faq." We do have a 3.2 test FAQ in the works; when it's ready for posting we'll unsticky this old thread and sticky the new one. Until then, I figure I'll put in one of the most common Q&A things:
Q: Where is the Constellation Donation website so I can become a Constellation Member and participate in the private 3.2 testing?
A: As of October 31, 2006, Flayra has stated "The Constellation system isn't functional yet so if you haven't donated previously I'm afraid you're out of luck and you'll have to wait until the public release."
If you are particularly interested in passing money towards Unknown Worlds Entertainment, even if it's in a way completely unrelated to playtesting NS 3.2, there is an alternative: check out the demo of Zen of Sudoku to see if you'd enjoy the full game enough to warrant a purchase. Purchasing Zen of Sudoku is completely independent of the Constellation Membership benefits; the only similarity is that money from either does go towards Unknown Worlds Entertainment & development of its new game(s).


Original post by Nemesis Zero follows:


As everyone who has checked the frontpage knows, we are going to open NS 3.1 to Constellation members this weekend. This thread is supposed to answer all arising questions.


General 3.1 Questions

Q.: Will 3.1 include Nexus?
A.: No. We had planned to include it, but discovered during development that all other changes planned for 3.1 would be done much faster. Faced with the choice between sitting on a de-facto finished product or another non-Nexus release, we decided an extra, earlier update was the better option.

Q.: I remember Zunni talking about backwards flight for the Lerk in the 'Developer's Corner' show on NSRadio, but can't find it in the published changelog. What's up?
A.: A number of variations to this concept have been tried during our tests, none of them ultimately satisfying. We're back at the drawing board.

Q.: Will this be the last version of NS on the HL engine?
A.: No, we plan to work on further versions parallelly with the port on Source. NS 3.2 is already in development.

Q.: I heard that NS might make it on the Steam 'My Games' list. Is this true?
A.: The NS team and Valve programmers have successfully adapted NS to work under My Games and it has been tested there by some of our PTs. Valve and the NS team are currently trying to negotiate terms for releasing NS to the public My Games list.

Q.: Are there going to be any new maps in 3.1? None are listed in the changelog.
A.: It is possible, but at this point not likely.


Constellation Test Questions

Q.: Just to be sure, who exactly is eligble to take part in these tests?
A.: All Constellation members, that is - everyone who donated $20 or more at one point.

Q.: When will the tests take place?
A.: They will begin at the 6th of August and last for upwards of two weeks depending on the amount of testing that seems beneficial.

Q.: What access restrictions will be in place?
A.: There'll be an authentication control that allows only Constellation members, Playtesters, or developers access to the servers, which will be supplied from our side (thanks to the server donors!).

Q.: Will there be organized events?
A.: The Playtest Leads will schedule regular games where players can meet and have large matches. Outside those events, players will be free to join whenever they feel like it.

Q.: What do you expect from these tests?
A.: Support in fine-tuning NS 3.1 to ensure a polished final product.

Q.: What's that '328' behind the 'NS v3.1' in my server browser?
A.: This is an internal version number. Please note it if you are going to make a bug report.

If you have further questions, please post them below, and we will answer when we can.
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    We miss our Zunni lovin'. What's he been up to?

    We miss our Flayra lovin'. What's he been up to?

    Are there going to be any new maps in 3.1? None are listed in the changelog.
  • SLizerSLizer Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Posts: 1,301
    Moultano so you arent in crack anymore eh? and yes no new maps but lits of great changes <3
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Posts: 12,841
    QUOTE (moultano @ Aug 2 2005, 10:53 PM)
    We miss our Zunni lovin'. What's he been up to?

    We miss our Flayra lovin'. What's he been up to?

    Zunni is neck-deep in RL, Flayra is deeper in UWE smile-fix.gif
    QUOTE
    And if I haven't seen further, it's because those bloody giants have blocked my sight.
  • PhasePhase Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23149Posts: 96
    I hope you fixed the Pheramones option in binding your keyboard to focus tounge.gif. I posted about it earlier before 3.0 was actually released but nothing was done. Maybe you'll get it next time wink-fix.gif
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Posts: 12,841
    Don't you know? If we fix everything, people will be bored and leave wink-fix.gif
    QUOTE
    And if I haven't seen further, it's because those bloody giants have blocked my sight.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Members, Constellation Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Posts: 3,175
    Ack, now two threads, on in constie forum and one in gen forum.


    To be honest while I've been critical of a few of the changes throughout the versions of NS, there's always been much more good than bad. Especially regarding bugs.

    Working NS:S source in parallel to 3.2?! Seems awfully difficult.

    *concern* confused-fix.gif
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Posts: 12,841
    Not really. The majority of work on Source is currently art asset generation (hence our neverending hiring in that area), and 3.2 is mostly codework - damn cool codework, though, even if I say so myself.
    QUOTE
    And if I haven't seen further, it's because those bloody giants have blocked my sight.
  • CoolCookieCooksCoolCookieCooks Pretty Girl Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation Join Date: 2003-05-18 Member: 16446Posts: 5,602
  • coriscoris Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-07-08 Member: 18034Posts: 2,063
    I think Zunni is moving since he made a thread about bying a house some time ago. Well that's my guess.
    LOL BLOG!
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  • NGENGE Members Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Posts: 1,007
    Could you allow players to pick their starting hive in mp_tournament mode?
    Smart thing of the moment:



    -since NS came out. Since the summer of 04- - "A Veteran Player"

    Good thread!?
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Posts: 12,841
    edited August 2005
    We'll discuss it. No more suggestions though, please.
    QUOTE
    And if I haven't seen further, it's because those bloody giants have blocked my sight.
  • the_x5the_x5 the Xzianthian Members, Constellation Join Date: 2004-03-02 Member: 27041Posts: 3,175
    So, when may we begin sharing and using the more radical ideas for NS improvements in the I&S.

    Zunni explained that he thought it should be done with the version changes (ie: 1.xx, 2.xx, 3.xx, 4.xx).

    At some point it would be nice to see more of the great ideas in the next and future version subforums of the I&S be included with new versions.

    It helps NS evolve in the never ending pursuit for the perfect game.
    It gives the people who thought of the idea an incredible sense of pride and connection tot he game.
    It encourages new ideas to be invented.
    and
    It makes the gaming industry one step closer to the ideal of a game made entirely by the community, continuously modified by the community, and for the community.
    Coined the qualitative attribute entropy in reference to game maps.
    Do not eat the dark energy balls, please.
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  • CxwfCxwf Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13168Posts: 1,618
    This. Changelist. Looks. Awesome.

    Handgrenades will actually be useful! Half the cost, half the fuse time, twice the stock, AND they got moved to slot 5 where they belong! biggrin-fix.gif
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  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Posts: 1,589 Fully active user
    QUOTE (moultano @ Aug 2 2005, 05:53 PM)
    We miss our Zunni lovin'. What's he been up to?

    We miss our Flayra lovin'. What's he been up to?

    Are there going to be any new maps in 3.1? None are listed in the changelog.

    Shiva and fenris... sad-fix.gif
  • LegatoLegato Members Join Date: 2005-03-06 Member: 43667Posts: 24
    I've heard rumors the onos was gonna be completly redone in 3.2. Tell me I'm wrong please (not because I like the onos, I just hate rumors)
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  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Members Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Posts: 4,200 mod
    edited August 2005
    QUOTE (Legato @ Aug 2 2005, 11:17 PM)
    I've heard rumors the onos was gonna be completly redone in 3.2.  Tell me I'm wrong please (not because I like the onos, I just hate rumors)

    The devs have agreed that the Onos could benefit from a rework. That much isn't rumour. Whether it'll happen in 3.2 or another version isn't something I know enough about to answer.
    former NS community lead (back in the days of NS1, in between Nemesis Zero and Comprox)
  • freebirdpatfreebirdpat Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2004-04-10 Member: 27826Posts: 210 Fully active user
    yah, reworking the Onos is probably going to be a difficult task to tackle, either by testing lots of ideas or getting one really good idea that someone comes up with.

    I play on Extralevel servers and even with 1000+ hp and carapace and redemption, Onos can still be a meatbag... and I am talking about marines without getting hardly any of the extra upgrades.

    And when I played on pubs, Onos was still a meatbag, even when handled by a decent enough player such as myself.

  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Members Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Posts: 3,925
    QUOTE
    O Implemented teammate query icons:
    - Invoking a query from the popupmenu ("Follow me", "Covering you", "Weld/Heal me") displays an icon over the player issuing the query. This lasts for 6 seconds.

    Finally, only took a year or so to be implemented.
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    ... accusations are so... accusing.
  • ModChaosControlModChaosControl HiveMind NS bot creator Members Join Date: 2004-03-31 Member: 27613Posts: 431
    QUOTE (Changelog)
    O Skulk wallwalk has been improved:
    - Skulks can now vault from walls. When attached to a wall, pressing jump will make the skulk jump in the direction the player is facing.
    - Precision wallwalking: While holding +speed (aka walk) the skulk will stick to walls much more rigorously then before. This makes it possible to navigate difficult architecture.
    - Wallwalk is now disabled when walking on the floor.


    Excelent. smile-fix.gif
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  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Members, Constellation Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Posts: 3,225
    edited August 2005
    Best. changelog. evar?

    One question: Does the change to mine placement mean that mine ladders are no longer possible. As a mapper I should be familiar with 15 units, and without going into Hammer and checking I'd guess that you just have to be a bit more careful with your placement, and that it's still possible, but an official statement on this would be great. I'm assuming that this change was made to stop double-mines and not to nerf mineladders.

    ---

    I just signed up as a constie and wow! I really wanna play this now! Pity I won't be able to play it until the end of this month because I'm abroad.

    For anyone wondering about whether they should donate to the Constellation, here are some questions answered:

    - It's really easy to do if you have your own Visa/MasterCard - (even debit cards). It took me about 10 minutes. [Edit] Most of this time was reading the paypal policy.

    - Paypal doesn't have any hidden scum in the policy agreement. The only third-parties that could ever be shown your details are Credit Assessment agencies. These same agencies are used every time you make a secure payment for anything online.

    - It's 20 bucks! Even a skint bum like me can afford it! If you work out how many dollars (fractions of a cent in my case) per hours play that works out at, you'll realise how ungrateful you've been all this time!!!!!

    - Look at the Changelog! LOOK AT THE CHANGELOG!!!!!
  • CaptainHarassmentCaptainHarassment Members Join Date: 2005-04-18 Member: 48827Posts: 86
    I live in Canada. No american money for me sad-fix.gif

    Maybe someone could pay for me? smile-fix.gif
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  • monk1monk1 Members Join Date: 2005-07-19 Member: 56283Posts: 21
    QUOTE (CaptainHarassment @ Aug 3 2005, 02:58 AM)
    I live in Canada. No american money for me sad-fix.gif

    Maybe someone could pay for me? smile-fix.gif

    Use paypal and you can choose which currency you pay in smile-fix.gif
  • JazzXJazzX cl_labelmaps ∞ Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9285Posts: 1,835 Advanced user
    QUOTE (Crispy @ Aug 3 2005, 03:54 AM)
    <snip> One question: Does the change to mine placement mean that mine ladders are no longer possible. <snip>

    It has minimal impact on them. If you were placing them that close together when making your ladder you probably were going through lots of mines to get anywhere.


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  • InFlamesInFlames Members, Constellation Join Date: 2004-10-22 Member: 32396Posts: 134
    QUOTE (Crispy @ Aug 3 2005, 02:54 AM)
    Best. changelog. evar?

    One question: Does the change to mine placement mean that mine ladders are no longer possible. As a mapper I should be familiar with 15 units, and without going into Hammer and checking I'd guess that you just have to be a bit more careful with your placement, and that it's still possible, but an official statement on this would be great. I'm assuming that this change was made to stop double-mines and not to nerf mineladders.

    ---

    I just signed up as a constie and wow! I really wanna play this now! Pity I won't be able to play it until the end of this month because I'm abroad.

    For anyone wondering about whether they should donate to the Constellation, here are some questions answered:

    - It's really easy to do if you have your own Visa/MasterCard - (even debit cards). It took me about 10 minutes. [Edit] Most of this time was reading the paypal policy.

    - Paypal doesn't have any hidden scum in the policy agreement. The only third-parties that could ever be shown your details are Credit Assessment agencies. These same agencies are used every time you make a secure payment for anything online.

    - It's 20 bucks! Even a skint bum like me can afford it! If you work out how many dollars (fractions of a cent in my case) per hours play that works out at, you'll realise how ungrateful you've been all this time!!!!!

    - Look at the Changelog! LOOK AT THE CHANGELOG!!!!!

    Yay welcome to the Consties smile-fix.gif

    Oi you other bums cough up wow.gif

    Also fantastic changelog, the skulk movement changes..fantastic

    Hand grenades are now useufull to an extent

    Weld Icons yay

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  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Members, Constellation Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Posts: 3,225
    QUOTE (JazzX @ Aug 3 2005, 07:41 AM)
    QUOTE (Crispy @ Aug 3 2005, 03:54 AM)
    <snip> One question: Does the change to mine placement mean that mine ladders are no longer possible. <snip>

    It has minimal impact on them. If you were placing them that close together when making your ladder you probably were going through lots of mines to get anywhere.

    Ah what I thought. Just to clarify I signed up to consties before this announcement, but now everyone has even more reason to...
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The NetherlandsForum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Posts: 3,656 mod
    How do I donate? I live in Holland and I don't have and don't want to use creditcards.
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  • monk1monk1 Members Join Date: 2005-07-19 Member: 56283Posts: 21
    Can't you get a debit card instead of a credit card?
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The NetherlandsForum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Posts: 3,656 mod
    QUOTE (?monk @ Aug 3 2005, 01:18 PM)
    Can't you get a debit card instead of a credit card?

    Debit card? I only have and want to use my bank passes and stuff.
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  • monk1monk1 Members Join Date: 2005-07-19 Member: 56283Posts: 21
    Debit card is just like a cash card, you only use it to take money straight out of your account, you can't spend money you don't have like with a credit card.
  • puzlpuzl The Old Firm Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation Join Date: 2003-02-26 Member: 14029Posts: 4,112 mod
    If paypal accept it then it can be used to join.
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