Step-by-step Mouse fix for NS2 (Windows 7)

schu

How to fix mouse lag issue in NS2.



//Disabling Mouse Acceleration in the Windows Registry//

Go to this link

http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html

Download and run the mouse acceleration fix.

Restart your computer to confirm the change.

Do this change if you want. I have it for every game i play with Enhance pointer precision off in the mouse options of windows.


//Before launching NS2//

If you're running windows 7

-Right click your desktop

-Click Personalize

-Scroll down to "Windows 7 Basic"

-Click it.

Aero is now disabled.


Go to your Natural Selection 2 folder.

It is located under "Common" in your steam folder.

Find the NS2.exe

-Right click NS2.exe.

-Click Properties

-Go to compadibility tab

-Check "Disable desktop composition"

-Click ok


//After launching NS2

-Go to options

On the general tab locate "Raw Input" and "Mouse acceleration"

-Turn mouse acceleration "ON" and then turn raw input "Off"

-Click apply

-Close NS2

-Relaunch NS2

-Go back to options and undo what you just did.

Make sure mouse accel is off and make sure raw input is on.

-Click Apply

-Close NS2

-Relaunch and play.





Your Mouse is now fully fixed. Enjoy.

amoral

will this mess with other games? I know I know, what other games? with a 1000 hours sunk, it's a valid question, but please answer the question good sir.

schu

This will change your sensitivity in every game due to no maccel in windows.

Reubot

You don't need to run some installer to disable acceleration. Just set the notched dial to position 6/11 from Mouse -> Pointer options, and it's off.

Ghosthree3

Yeah, don't use a registry edit for mouse accel, just untick enable pointer precision. The reg fix is based on windows XP which had problems disabling it. Also if you use Raw Input, the game will receive input directly from the mouse, ignoring any windows adjustments meaning even if precision is on there will be no acceleration.

Also there's no reason to turn it to windows basic and disable aero AND have the exe disable desktop composition, since aero will be disabled automatically when the game is open.

tldr; step 1 is useless because you say use raw input, step 2 is useless because you set it to auto disable aero.

This is misinformation and will cause people to fuck their settings over for no reason.

Reubot

You also need to set the pointer speed dial to 6/11 in addition to disabling pointer precision, to globally disable acceleration. If the "raw input" option in NS2 works as intended, then of course there's no need to do this. I'd do it anyway though because mouse accel is cancer.

amoral

what ended up working for me was, changing from full screen to full screen windowed, in the back options. as we'll as changing to dx11, and some combination of the listed mouse fixed in this thread. basically, I did a modern day raindance.

blind

Works for 255 - thanks!

SamusDroid

Or try DX9 and fullscreen. It should be the same as pre 252 (which it is I tested)

Reubot

DX9 still causes input lag here...

kalakuja

remove aero from windows. Just kill it.

Ghosthree3

kalakuja wrote: »

remove aero from windows. Just kill it.

Hey fk you buddy.

ezekel

do not use the mouse fix, disabling enhanced pointer precision turns off accel

If you still have accel it's in your mouse sensor(which means you'd need a new mouse), don't touch your registry if you don't know what you're doing

Run ns2 is dx9 fullscreen

Rightclick ns2.exe and go to properties - go to compatibility tab, check disable visual themes and disable desktop composition, apply, ok

Now you're fine; only now when you launch ns2 will it disable aero and etc, once you close the game aero will return

Ghosthree3

If you run in fullscreen you don't need to diable desktop composition. They fixed it so DX9 fullscreen (only) works fine without it.

Stardog

Years later, this fix just worked for me. (Disabling desktop composition/visual themes). I can't believe I've been playing so long with a laggy mouse.

I wondered why CS: Source at 60fps had much sharper aiming, whereas 60fps in NS2 felt like 30fps. I just put it down to an engine/fps issue, but this fix works for other games I've tried too, namely Unity ones.

Turns out it's Aero being a dick.

BeigeAlert

Stardog wrote: »

Years later, this fix just worked for me. (Disabling desktop composition/visual themes). I can't believe I've been playing so long with a laggy mouse.

I wondered why CS: Source at 60fps had much sharper aiming, whereas 60fps in NS2 felt like 30fps. I just put it down to an engine/fps issue, but this fix works for other games I've tried too, namely Unity ones.

Turns out it's Aero being a dick.

Just make sure you delete system32 as well. That slows your computer waaaay down.

IronHorse

@Stardog You're not playing in fullscreen windowed are you?

Vetinari

IronHorse wrote: »

@Stardog You're not playing in fullscreen windowed are you?

Wait, does that have negative effects? Because I'm pretty sure I am.

IronHorse

Yes of course it does
It uses the windows compositor / Vsync ..
So it's akin to using double buffered vsync in game... added mouse latency due to delayed frames.

Always use exclusive fullscreen.

Vetinari

IronHorse wrote: »

Yes of course it does
It uses the windows compositor / Vsync ..
So it's akin to using double buffered vsync in game... added mouse latency due to delayed frames.

Always use exclusive fullscreen.

But it makes alt tabbing a pain... I'll give it a try and see if I feel a difference.

remi

Windowed fullscreen ftw

Stardog

@IronHorse I was using exclusive fullscreen, but the input delay was still there.

RevanCorana

Well if you have Windows 10 fullscreen won't help reducing input lag because vsync is always on by default (and cannot be turned off).

coolitic

RevanCorana wrote: »

Well if you have Windows 10 fullscreen won't help reducing input lag because vsync is always on by default (and cannot be turned off).

No?

IronHorse

@RevanCorana do you have a source for that?

RevanCorana

IronHorse wrote: »

@RevanCorana do you have a source for that?

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa969540(v=vs.85).aspx
Desktop composition uses vsync to remove tearing from ui animations since windows vista and it cannot be disabled since windows 8.
Correct me if I'm wrong but since people playing in fullscreen with windows 7 recommend disabling it I assume it applies to fullscreen too.

IronHorse

@RevanCorana No, as far as I know exclusive fullscreen changes the priority to that program, and therefore does not render any of the OS or background stuff - so no compositor.
It's been like that since Vista. You are correct however that you cannot easily disable it otherwise.. it requires some registry editing

SantaClaws

@RevanCorana I can with 100% confidence disconfirm that claim. I have no problems turning off vsync in all my fullscreen applications on win10.

Archie

Hi i am originally one of the initial beta testers that Marc actually chose for this fix when Windows 7 was released as he used to frequent a forum back in the NS3.2 days (gameplanet NZ).


Originally i found out the bug that, if you uptick enhance mouse pointer precision then apply the fix it actually still applies some form of acceleration, which is why to truly get rid of it you need to leave windows 7/8/8.1/10 settings as the default. Apply the fix, restart. Disable acceleration in NS2 settings and set raw input off.

Or the other bug if you move too fast in y axis it throws your acceleration off and doesn't apply, those were fixed in the early stages and i'll thank the skulk for being the testbed so you can somewhat thank NS for the mouse fix everyone who enjoys pro gaming has, oh and you know how mice companies advertise that they have no acceleration? well Microsoft applies there own through windows and the only way to disable it is to use raw input(atleast with CSGO) or the mouse fix.

Just so happens i was also an alpha tester for the CRU refresh monitoring tool which allowed you to overclock your monitor, i had LCD panels overclocked before it even became a thing, so if you need any help on the correct way to Optimise and just generally to get your performance up to a progaymer standard i'll help you.

I am writing a guide and a website to account for all of my struggles in computer gaming and i'll be using NS 3.2 as a reference model as well as NS2. Natural Selection 2 is an interesting case to use though just simply because of the Spark engine and how inconsistent it is with computer hardware.

@RevanCorana That's incorrect in regards to v-sync
@Ghost3

Yeah, don't use a registry edit for mouse accel, just untick enable pointer precision. The reg fix is based on windows XP which had problems disabling it.

That's incorrect, the registry fix for MarC was released because the original mousefix.reg that everyone used prior for XP no longer worked for windows 7 and that was because microsoft changed how mouse input was handled, ignorance is great these days and i love conversing with people in game till they no longer spew from there mouth.