Marine vs Marine [Beta]

McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.comUS Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Posts: 686Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold
edited April 10 in Modding
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Overview
MvM is rather self explanatory but there are enough changes, due to contextual differences from NS2, that the summation results in a different feel. Quite a few aspects have changed, such as building placement. In most cases, you cannot use the same spots to drop buildings in MvM that you can in vanilla NS2. Line of sight is now very important. Sentries were upgraded to work in the MvM context and are worth purchasing, and they recieve damage upgrades from weapons level research. Another very big change is Med and Ammo packs. Regardless of which team's commander drops them, both sides can pick them up. So, commanders watch out! You might resupply the enemy team inadvertently. Having fallback positions is really useful when resupplying via pack drops. Weapons dropped by commanders or players cannot be picked up by the opposing team. This was done to solve a turtling issue were the attacking team effectively resupplied the defending team.

All of the overall aspects of NS2 still apply. The teams still need to gather resources, conduct research, and destroy the opposing team's command structure(s). Both team's structures still require power to function. Although all power nodes start socketed and built. Neither team owns any power nodes. This means they are effectively neutral and can, in effect, suffer from friendly fire. So, be careful with grenades and/or ARCs when attacking an area where your team has structures.

In order for the multi-skins system to work, a number of new shaders needed to be made. So, the first time you load MvM it will take longer than usual due to shaders needing to be compiled.

Good luck and have fun! I'd very much like to hear your feedback on MvM (in a constructive way).

Workshop Mod ID: 7957667

Credits:
McGlaspie - Programming / Minor graphics and UI
Ulmont - New team colored textures for both marine teams
Kouji-San - Black marine weapon skins



Workshop Page: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=127235687
Note: The mod is a 98MB download, so it may take a while to download when connecting to an MvM server


Change Log - Beta 1
Spoiler:
Beta 1 - Hotfix Changes
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  • HadesDKHadesDK Join Date: 2008-07-31 Member: 64739Posts: 57Members
  • endarendar Join Date: 2010-07-27 Member: 73256Posts: 620Members, Squad Five Blue
    Sounds good, i'd love to run this, would make a fresh change for NS2.
  • McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.com US Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Posts: 686Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold
    Updated the mod tracker to show all of the changes done for each release (Change Log). For those that are interested. Once I finish all the important stuff on the progress page then I'll get this out the door. I'm sure all the numbers will have to get changed again :)

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  • twilitebluetwiliteblue bug stalker Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13116Posts: 1,728Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited February 2012
    I wonder how the Power system works in MvM? Do both teams "share" a Power Node? Do all structures in the room shut down when the PN is destroyed? How are stand-offs at choke points resolved? I'd love to try this mod to find out!
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  • Soul_RiderSoul_Rider Mod Bean Join Date: 2004-06-19 Member: 29388Posts: 2,993Members, Constellation
    Can't wait to have a play of this :)
  • McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.com US Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Posts: 686Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold
    QUOTE (twiliteblue @ Feb 26 2012, 09:43 AM) »
    I wonder how the Power system works in MvM? Do both teams "share" a Power Node? Do all structures in the room shut down when the PN is destroyed? How are stand-offs at choke points resolved? I'd love to try this mod to find out!
    Well, I hate to disappoint you twilite, but right now the power nodes have a very simple behavior. To remove some problems that have cropped up I'm setting it so neither team ever owns them. This means anyone can destroy them, so friendly fire is a concern. I am planning a Power Grid system that should work very similarly to how UWE talked about doing it just over a year ago, but I'm going to add a few twists. For now, simplistic is how I would describe it. This will change in time. Once I'e done all the required prototyping for the new Grid, I'll post some details about it.

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  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Posts: 4,983Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow mod
    Powernodes work like this:
    1. All powernodes except the starting one for each base start socketed and destroyed.
    2. Powered rooms power both teams structures
    3. Either team can build and destroy any power node
  • McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.com US Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Posts: 686Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold
    edited February 2012
    Heh, thanks Bob. That was a better explanation than my wordy and cryptic answer.

    I'm beginning to second guess how I'm initially setting nodes to be destroyed. With the welders in game, team's have to either build Robo -> MAC, or Armory -> Welder just to expand out of their base. I'm going to sort this out before release.
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  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Posts: 4,983Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow mod
    QUOTE (McGlaspie @ Feb 26 2012, 11:04 PM) »
    Heh, thanks Bob. That was a better explanation than my wordy and cryptic answer.

    I'm beginning to second guess how I'm initially setting nodes to be destroyed. With the welders in game, team's have to either build Robo -> MAC, or Armory -> Welder just to expand out of their base. I'm going to sort this out before release.

    It should be fine because you can still build destroyed power nodes without the welder. You just need the welder to repair damaged powernodes.
  • PricePrice Join Date: 2003-09-27 Member: 21247Posts: 1,281Members
    edited February 2012
    Can you use the black armor for team 2 and the green for team 1?
    also the buildings?
    example:
    image
    image
    (its a diffrent model, not just the same modelfile!)
    the only problem is, if uwe allow releasing the models with textures.


    p.s. i also would like if you create a file in your mod folder called e.g. "run.cmd"
    in that put:
    CODE
    @ECHO OFF
    cd..
    ns2.exe -game mvm
    exit
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  • gamester_5gamester_5 Join Date: 2008-04-17 Member: 64094Posts: 142Members
    The way McG has it set is friendly is a Blue "O". Enemy is indicated by Red ")(" or something like that. It is very simple to figure out who and what is friendly and who is foe.
  • Soul_RiderSoul_Rider Mod Bean Join Date: 2004-06-19 Member: 29388Posts: 2,993Members, Constellation
    QUOTE (McGlaspie @ Feb 26 2012, 09:34 AM) »
    Note: Normal NS2 servers will still be listed when you try to join a game. So, be sure you're joining the right ones. If you try to join a server not running the mod you will get a "Client and server differ" error

    To Server Administrators:
    If you are going to run this mod from your server, please add "MvM" to the end of the server's name.


    I have the Proving Grounds servers online, named Proving Grounds Mod v121, the game shows as pg in the game column, and still almost everyone connecting to the game doesn't have the files. Seems a large percentage of the general users don't check these forums :P
  • McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.com US Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Posts: 686Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold
    QUOTE (gamester_5 @ Feb 27 2012, 01:16 PM) »
    The way McG has it set is friendly is a Blue "O". Enemy is indicated by Red ")(" or something like that. It is very simple to figure out who and what is friendly and who is foe.
    Here is an example screenshot of what gamester is referring to:
    image


    QUOTE (Price @ Feb 27 2012, 05:22 AM) »
    Can you use the black armor for team 2 and the green for team 1?
    also the buildings?
    example:
    (its a diffrent model, not just the same modelfile!)
    the only problem is, if uwe allow releasing the models with textures.
    While on the surface your suggestion seems like the simplest approach, there are some problems with it. I will not code anything or make and graphics changes that grants users the SE armor that do not own it. This would in effect create a bypass for people and not require an SE key be on their Steam account.

    Also, to do what you're describing would in fact require a model file for Team 2 for players and structures to be distributed with the mod. I've already checked and this would increase the mod's size to about 470MB. All of the textures for a model are defined via the .material file. There is currently no way to dictate which material file is used for which model. So, for players as an example, you would need a new model for the player and its associated material file plus the new diffuse texture. So, do this across all of the models for the Marines and structures makes the download size get very big, very quickly. Oh, just fyi, I'm not doing the typical Blue vs Red. It's actually using the existing team coloring scheme in vanilla NS2, so: Blue vs Yellow (or Gold of sorts). Here are the web safe team colors: Blue - #4DB1FF and Yellow/Gold - #FFCA3A

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  • PricePrice Join Date: 2003-09-27 Member: 21247Posts: 1,281Members
    edited March 2012
    QUOTE (McGlaspie @ Feb 28 2012, 02:01 AM) »

    I remember seeing this somewhere in the forums or youtube, its a good placeholder but i would not like it ingame if i see a marine with an X and a O i am sure people can forget which side they on and die.
    I mean there is a reason why in every game teams have diffrent skins not just a icon over the head or inside the body.
    So i see no problem using diffrent skins, except for the copyright of releasing the model of uwe.

    QUOTE (McGlaspie @ Feb 28 2012, 02:01 AM) »
    While on the surface your suggestion seems like the simplest approach, there are some problems with it. I will not code anything or make and graphics changes that grants users the SE armor that do not own it. This would in effect create a bypass for people and not require an SE key be on their Steam account.

    Right, but whats the problem about a "new" skin for the default marine?


    QUOTE (McGlaspie @ Feb 28 2012, 02:01 AM) »
    Also, to do what you're describing would in fact require a model file for Team 2 for players and structures to be distributed with the mod. I've already checked and this would increase the mod's size to about 470MB.

    So?
    And how you get the number of 470mb?
    If i take a look to all the models and textures of marines its 131 MB (137.756.672 Bytes) not 470 MB so it would be 262 MB.

    QUOTE (McGlaspie @ Feb 28 2012, 02:01 AM) »
    All of the textures for a model are defined via the .material file. There is currently no way to dictate which material file is used for which model.

    See, you have no idea what you are talking about, there is a way for creating a modelclone...a very simple way of course.

    QUOTE (McGlaspie @ Feb 28 2012, 02:01 AM) »
    So, for players as an example, you would need a new model for the player and its associated material file plus the new diffuse texture. So, do this across all of the models for the Marines and structures makes the download size get very big, very quickly.

    Who cares how big a mod is? If people like a mod. they will download a bit more...
    I think its way better to have diffrent team colors then just a tiny icon which is hard to see.
    But hey, i just want help...
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  • McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.com US Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Posts: 686Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold
    QUOTE (Price @ Mar 1 2012, 05:58 AM) »
    See, you have no idea what you are talking about, there is a way for creating a modelclone...a very simple way of course.
    ...
    But hey, i just want help...

    Assuming that last statement is true, you've got a damned odd way of doing so...

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  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Posts: 4,983Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow mod
    My view is that the intent to keep the mod client download small is to make it so people can just join and quickly download the mod directly from the vanilla NS2 server list (once direct mod server downloads are included).
  • McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.com US Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Posts: 686Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold
    You nailed it exactly ScardyBob ;)

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  • gamester_5gamester_5 Join Date: 2008-04-17 Member: 64094Posts: 142Members
    edited March 2012
    QUOTE (Price @ Mar 1 2012, 02:58 AM) »
    See, you have no idea what you are talking about, there is a way for creating a modelclone...a very simple way of course.


    If you are so good at doing it come up with a solution and post it, dont just flame him. Hell, he has done a great job with this and it is no easy task. Take hours of work. But I am sure you knew that already.

    Cant wait to see it, looks like you have it pretty much dialed in.
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  • McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.com US Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Posts: 686Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold
    Beta 1 released.

    This will not be perfect, in fact, probably far from it. This is based on NS2 B199. I'm looking forward to any and all constructive criticism! Enjoy

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  • endarendar Join Date: 2010-07-27 Member: 73256Posts: 620Members, Squad Five Blue
    Nice work on releasing a playable mod!

    What map are you playtesting this on (and naturally, balancing it for)?

    I understand you might aim to get it equal across all maps, but to expect balance in a mod such as this in ever changing conditions is unreasonable.
  • twilitebluetwiliteblue bug stalker Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13116Posts: 1,728Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    edited March 2012
    I had some fun testing with endar.

    Camping/ambushing is rather difficult with the red triangle marking enemies the second they show up in sight. Would a short delay on the enemy marker solve that?

    Mines appear to be mostly useless in MvM mode. Perhaps they're better off working as Satchel Charges for blowing up buildings or ARCs.

    Looking forward to the next version! Great work, McGlaspie!
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  • RTVRTV Join Date: 2008-06-09 Member: 64417Posts: 107Members
    edited March 2012
    Hell yes, we need more stupid modifications like this, marines versus marines, yippie kay yay this is so creative... N O T

    Herp derp.


    If you don't like something others like, shut up and move along. 1st warning. --Zaggy
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  • swalkswalk Say hello to my little friend. Join Date: 2011-01-20 Member: 78384Posts: 1,864Members, Squad Five Blue
    This is looking very nice!
    The same goes to you, like all the other modders and mappers, you're welcome to use our map/mod database to host your files.
    I already gave ScardyBob access to the database, if more of you wan't access just sign up and tell me :)
    You add a map/mod like this:
    Go to "Admin" in the top left, press "Downloads", press the "Maps" button to add a map, and the "Mods" button to add a mod.
    Link is in my signature.

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    QUOTE (Floodinator @ Feb 28 2012, 08:41 PM) »
    it's always a good idea to kill swalk or he will kill you.
  • RTVRTV Join Date: 2008-06-09 Member: 64417Posts: 107Members
    edited March 2012
    How can this looks nice?
    It is very unimaginative, it sounds boring, it looks boring.
    You could call it marines vs. themselves.


    Herp derp.

    If you don't like something others like, shut up and move along. 1st warning. --Zaggy
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  • rhombusrhombus Lerk Queen Join Date: 2011-06-23 Member: 106055Posts: 356Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue
    edited March 2012
    QUOTE (RTV @ Mar 2 2012, 09:27 AM) »
    Hell yes, we need more stupid modifications like this, marines versus marines, yippie kay yay this is so creative... N O T



    QUOTE (RTV @ Mar 2 2012, 09:36 AM) »
    How can this looks nice?
    It is very unimaginative, it sounds boring, it looks boring.
    You could call it marines vs. themselves.


    Instead of being derps how about some suggestions instead of the usually unhelpful comments of 'this mod blows'.

    I'm currently working in modifications to the existing models. The code that was released right now is so that it's easy to test and change values on instead of having people download a ton of models the first go. If McG allows I can post updates to those changes I'll be doing sometime this weekend.
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  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands, Hoogezand Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Posts: 11,279Forum Admins, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue mod
    Heh also if ya don't like this idea, WTF are you doing posting none sense in here. Also BUNCH OF TEAMKILLERS *hides from Saba*

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  • PricePrice Join Date: 2003-09-27 Member: 21247Posts: 1,281Members
    edited March 2012
    QUOTE (SabaHell @ Mar 2 2012, 07:37 PM) »
    Instead of being derps how about some suggestions instead of the usually unhelpful comments of 'this mod blows'.

    I'm currently working in modifications to the existing models. The code that was released right now is so that it's easy to test and change values on instead of having people download a ton of models the first go. If McG allows I can post updates to those changes I'll be doing sometime this weekend.

    So you call 13 new models a ton? :P
    I have no idea why you guys are angry about downloading models and textures.
    Okay for the first version and testing its better using the same models, but seriously, do you guys realy like the same models on both teams?

    QUOTE (gamester_5 @ Mar 2 2012, 04:47 AM) »
    If you are so good at doing it come up with a solution and post it, dont just flame him.

    Huh? Show me where i flame...i mean i can only see you and other users flame here and attacking other peoples.
    I said nothing wrong, he was wrong, not me.
    Because you can(!) change the textures inside the model not just inside the material...so please next time think and inform yourself about that before you call me a flamer or McGlaspie that im wrong.
    And why should i post the solution if he don't want new textures.
    These trolls...i just want to help him and you? oh you act like a troll.
    I take my time to create these textures what did you do? oh right, you call me a flamer because of...ehm yeah, because of what?

    QUOTE (McGlaspie @ Mar 2 2012, 02:32 AM) »
    Assuming that last statement is true, you've got a damned odd way of doing so...

    Offering help is now beeing odd?
    i just forget to add a "to"
    QUOTE
    But hey, i just want to help...

    Why is "my way" odd?
    I take my time to create a secondary model, change 3 textures (illum, spec and default), upload two images and write down that i would like to help you coloring new models and now im odd?
    I mean you can not just say im wrong because you have no idea about the models.
    Maybe i don't speak english well but i am totaly right about the part with the models. you can clone them and use a diffrent model.
    Anyway you don't want my help, but you could just say "no thanks, i don't need that" but you act like i have no idea what im talking about...but i did.

    P.s. this is done, so any questions please write me a message, there is no need to write more on this thread i just "justify" myself.


    EDIT 03/03:
    Ok its getting ridiculous...
    QUOTE (endar @ Mar 3 2012, 06:43 AM) »
    I'll just add it does seem you were being overly negative about this mod (although not moronic like RTV), and it does appear to be flaming, although only lightly seared. Maybe it is the ESL component coming through, which is making what you intend to be helpful criticism, and turning it into negativity and insultive.

    Maybe my english sucks and this can result in misunderstandings but you can't even show me, where i "flame" or be "overly negative" about his mod...
    I just said how it is, you can change the textur path of every model.
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    QUOTE (endar @ Mar 2 2012, 05:05 AM) »
    Nice work on releasing a playable mod!

    What map are you playtesting this on (and naturally, balancing it for)?

    I understand you might aim to get it equal across all maps, but to expect balance in a mod such as this in ever changing conditions is unreasonable.

    Was playtested on summit. However, I think the major balance issues are related to with-in sides (i.e. shotguns >>> GLs at killing buildings, etc) than between sides, since the teams are identical. This makes me think that the biggest issues will be only one or two actually being viable (although McGlaspie has done some work to fix this).
  • endarendar Join Date: 2010-07-27 Member: 73256Posts: 620Members, Squad Five Blue
    QUOTE (Price @ Mar 3 2012, 06:28 AM) »
    Huh? Show me where i flame...i mean i can only see you and other users flame here and attacking other peoples.

    Maybe i don't speak english well but i am totaly right about the part with the models.


    I'll just add it does seem you were being overly negative about this mod (although not moronic like RTV), and it does appear to be flaming, although only lightly seared. Maybe it is the ESL component coming through, which is making what you intend to be helpful criticism, and turning it into negativity and insultive.

    QUOTE (ScardyBob @ Mar 3 2012, 07:10 AM) »
    Was playtested on summit. However, I think the major balance issues are related to with-in sides (i.e. shotguns >>> GLs at killing buildings, etc) than between sides, since the teams are identical. This makes me think that the biggest issues will be only one or two actually being viable (although McGlaspie has done some work to fix this).


    I decided to use summit (because I saw a video of it, figured thats the PT map), I guess I bring it up due to random spawns. Summit and Tram are pretty even, but what about Mineshaft, marine team two would always be on the north side, and marine team one would always be south.
  • McGlaspieMcGlaspie www.team156.com US Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 73044Posts: 686Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold
    Ok, hopefully the forum won't crap out when I try to make a reply this time...

    @endar and twiliteblue: I'm glad you guys seem to like it! I'll take any and all constructive feedback I can get.

    @Price: I think this whole back and forth is just a case of Lost-in-Translation. No big deal. I'm fully aware how to change the models, textures, and material files around and how to swap them in and out in code, or even change them on the fly. I think this whole thing will be significantly simplified once skin support is added in.

    QUOTE (endar)
    What map are you playtesting this on (and naturally, balancing it for)?

    I understand you might aim to get it equal across all maps, but to expect balance in a mod such as this in ever changing conditions is unreasonable.
    My hope and aim is to have this balanced on all maps. As you pointed out this will be problematic with the game being in flux quite a bit. Right now, the only map I see having potential balance issues is Mineshaft. Team 2 will have a much greater need for phase tech than team 1 would. So, this would force them to get it faster than team 1 would need to. I'm probably going to reduce the phase tech research back to the default 15 Tres as a result.

    QUOTE (twiliteblue)
    Camping/ambushing is rather difficult with the red triangle marking enemies the second they show up in sight. Would a short delay on the enemy marker solve that?
    I originally had a small delay before the indicators were drawn, but this resulted in teammates shooting friendly structures and players to check if they were hostile or not. I may add a delay back in, but it will be minor at best. At the very least I'll experiment with this and see if I can't come up with a better solution. The target indicators will most likely not stay in this mod. They were put in place due to lack of skin support in the models.

    QUOTE (twiliteblue)
    Mines appear to be mostly useless in MvM mode. Perhaps they're better off working as Satchel Charges for blowing up buildings or ARCs.
    I was concerned about this and that's why I increased mine damage. I'm going to remove mines from being marked with indicators if they are hostile, which should help a bit with this. I will probably reduce their cost too. Admittedly, this is sort of a band-aid approach though. In some ways, mines don't work in the MvM context at all. I'll definitely be tweaking them several times.

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