my view on the matter. yes sure stf / xp DID make it to the finals of NSPC, but with stf winning NSPC and NSP-i, many ppl still think aussie clans such as Hybrid/everlast to still be better then stf/xp. If that final was between hybrid/everlast then that woulda been a show, and im sure most ppl would agree about that. by no means do i mean any offence to stf or xp, both great clans and very friendly, good to have pracs/wars with. my point is just dont judge a hole community on 1 certain game, if your not active in the community and your trying to make a judgement about them, u dont know jack sh!t. Yes u can always post your opinion, but dont judge =].
i think this thread just keeps going backwards and around in circles, i have said we (everlast) will have any friendly match with a yanky clan, so step up and ask us, dont be scared we suck <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
As for bhop scripts with the _special command, NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE and i doubt others have. so again u got no clue.
both are still good teams more so then stf, but both have been lucky with the out come.
NSP-i , Hybrid was not allowed in due to testing 2.0 a couple of times, everlast lost there match to be kicked out of the comp in pretty much a cheating fasion.
NSP:C , Hybrid wen't inactive due to studys and had to drop out of tourny. everlast, sure they had a reason.
<!--QuoteBegin--psikal+Dec 1 2003, 05:30 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (psikal @ Dec 1 2003, 05:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> my view on the matter. yes sure stf / xp DID make it to the finals of NSPC, but with stf winning NSPC and NSP-i, many ppl still think aussie clans such as Hybrid/everlast to still be better then stf/xp. If that final was between hybrid/everlast then that woulda been a show, and im sure most ppl would agree about that. by no means do i mean any offence to stf or xp, both great clans and very friendly, good to have pracs/wars with. my point is just dont judge a hole community on 1 certain game, if your not active in the community and your trying to make a judgement about them, u dont know jack sh!t. Yes u can always post your opinion, but dont judge =].
i think this thread just keeps going backwards and around in circles, i have said we (everlast) will have any friendly match with a yanky clan, so step up and ask us, dont be scared we suck <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
As for bhop scripts with the _special command, NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE and i doubt others have. so again u got no clue.
Can someone please lock this thread. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Dont you have to judje them to make any opinion on them? I mean, were are these opinions actually coming from... you have to judje them for yourself to form an opinion for yourself dont you?
<!--QuoteBegin--[A]pe+Dec 1 2003, 01:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([A]pe @ Dec 1 2003, 01:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--intrik+Dec 1 2003, 12:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (intrik @ Dec 1 2003, 12:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it wasnt a top match.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's right. It wasn't. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Keep in mind all that I've watched and gave little tiny reports on are your 'grand finals' and 'tournament finals'
If those aren't top matches, then what the f*** do you consider to be top match, if any? And a link of a demo?
Hey guys I once played on a pub and there was a newbie therefore the entire continent wherein said newbie resides all suck by equal or greater amounts.
I once posted on an internet message board and there was a really moronic poster from Australia therefore everyone from Australia is dumb
a top match would be any thing with hybrid when it's active <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
shouldn't be to far away from being active, been working on strats for a week now, couple of weeks to get the teamwork back , few more weeks after that to get back to peak.
sorry for those that had to read the crap i wrote befor, i'm half asleep <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--UNKNOWN16+Dec 1 2003, 10:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UNKNOWN16 @ Dec 1 2003, 10:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> a top match would be any thing with hybrid when it's active <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
sohuld be to far away from being active, been working on strats for a week now, couple of weeks to get the teamwork back about, few more weeks after that to get back to peak. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Okay then, I'll just wait and see then.
Hopefully I could play your clan, I did notice that Hybrid's aim was top notch, always a good thing to see from any clan and it always makes for a good (if not down right impossible to beat) challenge.
Forlorn, in my opinion you are accused or arrogance and starting flamewars because you state opinion in the language of objective fact.
People percieve the kind of comments such as
'You were bad' totally differently from 'In my opinion, you were bad'.
In the first case your language is that of a statement of fact, like a scientist might use. As you aren't omniscient, it appears arrogant when you act that way.
However, I believe that you actually are arrogant, and somewhat ill informed. My example is your saying that any league in which the winner wasn't determined by the final game of the season was an awful league.
This thinking might make sense if you are from the American school of sport, whereby you always end each season with some kind of knockout. Your baseball, American Football and even your Soccer Football leagues work this way.
Yet in many other sporting leagues around the rest of the world, this is not the case. The English Premiership and the Italian Serie A are two of the finest football leagues in the world and they run a league.
The English also run a knockout tournament in Soccer football, called the FA cup. The league champions are considered far more skillful than the Cup champions.
Perhaps you will reconsider your comments that denegrate so many non American sporting events, even apologise for your cultural ignorance.
I hope my comments are not taken harshly, for they are not meant as such.
<!--QuoteBegin--Octavian+Dec 1 2003, 11:10 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Octavian @ Dec 1 2003, 11:10 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Forlorn, in my opinion you are accused or arrogance and starting flamewars because you state opinion in the language of objective fact.
People percieve the kind of comments such as
'You were bad' totally differently from 'In my opinion, you were bad'.
In the first case your language is that of a statement of fact, like a scientist might use. As you aren't omniscient, it appears arrogant when you act that way.
However, I believe that you actually are arrogant, and somewhat ill informed. My example is your saying that any league in which the winner wasn't determined by the final game of the season was an awful league.
This thinking might make sense if you are from the American school of sport, whereby you always end each season with some kind of knockout. Your baseball, American Football and even your Soccer Football leagues work this way.
Yet in many other sporting leagues around the rest of the world, this is not the case. The English Premiership and the Italian Serie A are two of the finest football leagues in the world and they run a league.
The English also run a knockout tournament in Soccer football, called the FA cup. The league champions are considered far more skillful than the Cup champions.
Perhaps you will reconsider your comments that denegrate so many non American sporting events, even apologise for your cultural ignorance.
I hope my comments are not taken harshly, for they are not meant as such. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Okay... so I'm ignorant for the fact that they titled their matches "final" and "grand final" which clearly implies that they held some sort of playoff's to determine a final winner?
I'm arrogant for assuming such? I don't understand at all.
And of course it's my oppinion... if I was stating fact, I would say "THIS IS A FACT, AND YOU SUCKED!!!!"
But nowhere did I use such laugange, and even if I did claim it was to be a fact, then people would see through it and say it was oppinion anyhow as a defense mechinism, and futhermore, stating it was a fact was in my oppinion to be redundant as well as extraneous to the entire small review, I simply wanted to post my oppinion quickly as possible; rarely do politics influence how I present myself on an internet board. Sheesh.
And for the record, their league did indeed have their grand final to determine the ultimate winner of their invite only league... (which apparently isn't a good example to judge their league by... rofl) it's just that in the event of a tie, then the team with a higher point standing in the league would be declared chaimpions. Which indeed makes a lot of sense to me. But I had no idea, and I was ill-informed, as I clearly stated something along the lines of:
"Wouldn't it be a flawed league if the final match didn't matter at all?"
And the aussies filled me in as to how I just told you how the league worked.
<!--QuoteBegin--UNKNOWN16+Dec 1 2003, 10:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (UNKNOWN16 @ Dec 1 2003, 10:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> a top match would be any thing with hybrid when it's active <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
shouldn't be to far away from being active, been working on strats for a week now, couple of weeks to get the teamwork back , few more weeks after that to get back to peak.
sorry for those that had to read the crap i wrote befor, i'm half asleep <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> lol jason got stuck up ? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> nah, but he tells the truth alittle bit there, although everlast did beat a mixed team of r18 / hybrid last night 2-0, wish i had HLTV demo of it, great match one of the best i have played in awhile, since both sides could bhop/aim it was who ever could do it the best that would win =].
dude u would want to win against a slut team no matter who it is <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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No way dude... mine is sooooo much bigger than yours <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Dont you have to judje them to make any opinion on them? I mean, were are these opinions actually coming from... you have to judje them for yourself to form an opinion for yourself dont you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i'd just like to add that the paragraph you wrote looks completely retarded because you cant spell. Ok. moving on
actually kal -- I beleive that (from what i saw of our marine game) that we played a really good strat, maybe you can upload (or ill upload) the hltv demo just to show.
I missed half of it my computer reset twice. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> damn video card over heating. Anyway i beleive that the match between us vs r18/hybrid/1stf member/1progenic members (lol), every person in that match i would class top notch (skilled) players. Then you could show these guys what where the real skill is?
edit: no offense what-sp-ever towards XP or STF. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
btw: No words are mispelled in that quote even if its not that well tied together. Except I guess you could says judje is wrong but thats just slang inTRAweb style.
You can't end this thread yet, untill i upload this match. lol <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Forlorn+Dec 1 2003, 09:20 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Dec 1 2003, 09:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--[A]pe+Dec 1 2003, 01:44 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([A]pe @ Dec 1 2003, 01:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--intrik+Dec 1 2003, 12:18 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (intrik @ Dec 1 2003, 12:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> it wasnt a top match.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's right. It wasn't. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Keep in mind all that I've watched and gave little tiny reports on are your 'grand finals' and 'tournament finals'
If those aren't top matches, then what the f*** do you consider to be top match, if any? And a link of a demo?
And it's gotta be 2.01. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> They weren't 'top matches' because I've seen much, much better from both teams.
I'm not going to provide a demo. I don't hoard these things just in the off-chance that I may need to prove the incredible size of my e-panis, sorry. If I spec a match, it's in HLTV. I'm usually much too lazy to watch anything besides a live match.
What I have seen is proof enough for me, I'm not going to waste precious seconds of my life giving undeniable proof of what my own eyes have witnessed to the likes of you.
As one of the people talked about by Forlorn, I will again say he does make a lot of good points. XP isnt full of 'the best players in australia', just a fun clan that has managed soem pretty good results over the last year.
psi/everlast/hybrid/r18 - Clans 'better' than XP. Just they all seem to die off for periods of time.
stf - The only clan in australia to actually win more than a single 'tournament' of the 4-5 we have had.
xp - the only clan to make it to 2 finals of those same 4-5 tournaments.
Oh, and regarding the 3 mc's all at pipeline that Forlorn mentioned - that wasnt our intended team and there were many mistakes, and quite a few lessons learnt about having 20 people in a clan that nite. But we moved on and keep having fun (the reason we're still active and around after a year where all the 'better' clans keep dying off).
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There's one thing that's applicable to both communities: Underestimating your enemy often proves fatal.
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Are we talking the NSPC grand final? Because if we are, of course people are going to expect a top match.
If not, ignore me.
i think this thread just keeps going backwards and around in circles, i have said we (everlast) will have any friendly match with a yanky clan, so step up and ask us, dont be scared we suck <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
As for bhop scripts with the _special command, NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE and i doubt others have. so again u got no clue.
Can someone please lock this thread.
NSP-i , Hybrid was not allowed in due to testing 2.0 a couple of times, everlast lost there match to be kicked out of the comp in pretty much a cheating fasion.
NSP:C , Hybrid wen't inactive due to studys and had to drop out of tourny. everlast, sure they had a reason.
That's right. It wasn't.
i think this thread just keeps going backwards and around in circles, i have said we (everlast) will have any friendly match with a yanky clan, so step up and ask us, dont be scared we suck <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->.
As for bhop scripts with the _special command, NEVER HEARD OF IT BEFORE and i doubt others have. so again u got no clue.
Can someone please lock this thread. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dont you have to judje them to make any opinion on them? I mean, were are these opinions actually coming from... you have to judje them for yourself to form an opinion for yourself dont you?
Lets keep it above the belt, or maybe rename this topic to '2 not so good teams battle it out in some tourny no1 gives a damn about' ?
That's right. It wasn't. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Keep in mind all that I've watched and gave little tiny reports on are your 'grand finals' and 'tournament finals'
If those aren't top matches, then what the f*** do you consider to be top match, if any? And a link of a demo?
And it's gotta be 2.01.
I once posted on an internet message board and there was a really moronic poster from Australia therefore everyone from Australia is dumb
shouldn't be to far away from being active, been working on strats for a week now, couple of weeks to get the teamwork back , few more weeks after that to get back to peak.
sorry for those that had to read the crap i wrote befor, i'm half asleep <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
sohuld be to far away from being active, been working on strats for a week now, couple of weeks to get the teamwork back about, few more weeks after that to get back to peak. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay then, I'll just wait and see then.
Hopefully I could play your clan, I did notice that Hybrid's aim was top notch, always a good thing to see from any clan and it always makes for a good (if not down right impossible to beat) challenge.
People percieve the kind of comments such as
'You were bad' totally differently from 'In my opinion, you were bad'.
In the first case your language is that of a statement of fact, like a scientist might use. As you aren't omniscient, it appears arrogant when you act that way.
However, I believe that you actually are arrogant, and somewhat ill informed. My example is your saying that any league in which the winner wasn't determined by the final game of the season was an awful league.
This thinking might make sense if you are from the American school of sport, whereby you always end each season with some kind of knockout. Your baseball, American Football and even your Soccer Football leagues work this way.
Yet in many other sporting leagues around the rest of the world, this is not the case. The English Premiership and the Italian Serie A are two of the finest football leagues in the world and they run a league.
The English also run a knockout tournament in Soccer football, called the FA cup. The league champions are considered far more skillful than the Cup champions.
Perhaps you will reconsider your comments that denegrate so many non American sporting events, even apologise for your cultural ignorance.
I hope my comments are not taken harshly, for they are not meant as such.
People percieve the kind of comments such as
'You were bad' totally differently from 'In my opinion, you were bad'.
In the first case your language is that of a statement of fact, like a scientist might use. As you aren't omniscient, it appears arrogant when you act that way.
However, I believe that you actually are arrogant, and somewhat ill informed. My example is your saying that any league in which the winner wasn't determined by the final game of the season was an awful league.
This thinking might make sense if you are from the American school of sport, whereby you always end each season with some kind of knockout. Your baseball, American Football and even your Soccer Football leagues work this way.
Yet in many other sporting leagues around the rest of the world, this is not the case. The English Premiership and the Italian Serie A are two of the finest football leagues in the world and they run a league.
The English also run a knockout tournament in Soccer football, called the FA cup. The league champions are considered far more skillful than the Cup champions.
Perhaps you will reconsider your comments that denegrate so many non American sporting events, even apologise for your cultural ignorance.
I hope my comments are not taken harshly, for they are not meant as such. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Okay... so I'm ignorant for the fact that they titled their matches "final" and "grand final" which clearly implies that they held some sort of playoff's to determine a final winner?
I'm arrogant for assuming such? I don't understand at all.
And of course it's my oppinion... if I was stating fact, I would say "THIS IS A FACT, AND YOU SUCKED!!!!"
But nowhere did I use such laugange, and even if I did claim it was to be a fact, then people would see through it and say it was oppinion anyhow as a defense mechinism, and futhermore, stating it was a fact was in my oppinion to be redundant as well as extraneous to the entire small review, I simply wanted to post my oppinion quickly as possible; rarely do politics influence how I present myself on an internet board. Sheesh.
And for the record, their league did indeed have their grand final to determine the ultimate winner of their invite only league... (which apparently isn't a good example to judge their league by... rofl) it's just that in the event of a tie, then the team with a higher point standing in the league would be declared chaimpions. Which indeed makes a lot of sense to me. But I had no idea, and I was ill-informed, as I clearly stated something along the lines of:
"Wouldn't it be a flawed league if the final match didn't matter at all?"
And the aussies filled me in as to how I just told you how the league worked.
Any other questions?
shouldn't be to far away from being active, been working on strats for a week now, couple of weeks to get the teamwork back , few more weeks after that to get back to peak.
sorry for those that had to read the crap i wrote befor, i'm half asleep <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol jason got stuck up ? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> nah, but he tells the truth alittle bit there, although everlast did beat a mixed team of r18 / hybrid last night 2-0, wish i had HLTV demo of it, great match one of the best i have played in awhile, since both sides could bhop/aim it was who ever could do it the best that would win =].
i'd just like to add that the paragraph you wrote looks completely retarded because you cant spell. Ok. moving on
actually kal -- I beleive that (from what i saw of our marine game) that we played a really good strat, maybe you can upload (or ill upload) the hltv demo just to show.
I missed half of it my computer reset twice. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> damn video card over heating. Anyway i beleive that the match between us vs r18/hybrid/1stf member/1progenic members (lol), every person in that match i would class top notch (skilled) players. Then you could show these guys what where the real skill is?
edit: no offense what-sp-ever towards XP or STF. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
btw: No words are mispelled in that quote even if its not that well tied together. Except I guess you could says judje is wrong but thats just slang inTRAweb style.
That's right. It wasn't. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Keep in mind all that I've watched and gave little tiny reports on are your 'grand finals' and 'tournament finals'
If those aren't top matches, then what the f*** do you consider to be top match, if any? And a link of a demo?
And it's gotta be 2.01. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
They weren't 'top matches' because I've seen much, much better from both teams.
I'm not going to provide a demo. I don't hoard these things just in the off-chance that I may need to prove the incredible size of my e-panis, sorry. If I spec a match, it's in HLTV. I'm usually much too lazy to watch anything besides a live match.
What I have seen is proof enough for me, I'm not going to waste precious seconds of my life giving undeniable proof of what my own eyes have witnessed to the likes of you.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
it's quicker/easier to write judje then it is to write Judge?
As one of the people talked about by Forlorn, I will again say he does make a lot of good points. XP isnt full of 'the best players in australia', just a fun clan that has managed soem pretty good results over the last year.
psi/everlast/hybrid/r18 - Clans 'better' than XP. Just they all seem to die off for periods of time.
stf - The only clan in australia to actually win more than a single 'tournament' of the 4-5 we have had.
xp - the only clan to make it to 2 finals of those same 4-5 tournaments.
Oh, and regarding the 3 mc's all at pipeline that Forlorn mentioned - that wasnt our intended team and there were many mistakes, and quite a few lessons learnt about having 20 people in a clan that nite. But we moved on and keep having fun (the reason we're still active and around after a year where all the 'better' clans keep dying off).