Small Post: Flayra If U Do Nerf Aliens............

strawhathippiestrawhathippie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18932Members
<div class="IPBDescription">After a while could u........</div> If u do nerf aliens, for balancing issues early in this version, can u review the situation after a month? Like nerf em, wait for them to suss rines and make sure u dont leave aliens nerfed? Because i quit 1.04 cause rines sussed it and nothing was done (i know i know u were developing 2) but it was aaaaaages before somtin was done. So if u do nerf em to satisfy the noobs, plz review the situation after a while. If rines start raping, jack the aliens back up. Then everyone is happy, early balancing issues fixed, and aliens wont suck forever like they did in 1.04.

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  • ExtinctionExtinction Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18934Members
    what aliens sucked in 1.04? lol ummmm i loved them O.o jp/hmg wernt even a huge problem if the aleins knew what they were doing
  • DramaKingDramaKing Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17582Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Extinction+Aug 5 2003, 05:53 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Extinction @ Aug 5 2003, 05:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> what aliens sucked in 1.04? lol ummmm i loved them O.o jp/hmg wernt even a huge problem if the aleins knew what they were doing <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Of course.
  • gc_phillehgc_philleh Join Date: 2003-08-04 Member: 18898Members
    It was a big problem if the marines knew what they were doing though.
    A well organised and disciplined alien team would have lost against a well organised and disciplined marine team.
  • Super_SlothSuper_Sloth Join Date: 2003-02-19 Member: 13748Members
    I don't know about clan matches, but in 1.04 it was pretty well balanced as to who would win, at least on the pubs I'd play on. A big problem tho is alot of people tend to give up once a point is reached, like Aliens would start F4ing when the JP/HMG came out and because we lost 3 or 4 players we'd lose, not the actual JP/HMGers. Since those aren't that difficult to beat really. A few good Lerks can hold their own, if not Parasite snipe them. Not always effective, but it has gotten me a kill or two in desperate times.

    Making it "more difficult" for Aliens isn't necessarily "nerfing" them, it just means they need learn new strategies. If you beg to differ about that then just consider how people claim they didn't "nerf" the Marines in 2.0, just made it more difficult.
  • noelephantnoelephant Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13518Members
    In my experience so far with 2.0, it appears balanced to me.

    They key to a marine victory is a good aware commander with an overactive microphone and a team of marines willing to listen.

    The new commander mode improvements make commanding much easier and more effective.
  • DivWDivW Join Date: 2003-06-23 Member: 17640Members
    I hate to be mean or anything, but these days, I just ignore all the posts with "u'' instead of ''you'' in them.

    (and if you want to go deep into this, it's because if people don't even take the time to type properly, their idea won't be so good anyway(most of the time), seeing as they're even too lazy to type right)
  • Bosnian_CowboyBosnian_Cowboy Join Date: 2003-06-07 Member: 17088Members, Constellation
    You'll realize 2.01a isn't that bad after you play it. But the Onos are way too weak now, that's the only problem with it.
  • Frogg2Frogg2 Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4867Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Bosnian+Aug 5 2003, 08:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bosnian @ Aug 5 2003, 08:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You'll realize 2.01a isn't that bad after you play it. But the Onos are way too weak now, that's the only problem with it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    regen <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Sephiroth2kSephiroth2k Join Date: 2002-04-21 Member: 481Members, Constellation
    how would you know bosnian lol?
    [rant]and DivW i usually type 'u' instead of 'you', but it doesn't reflect my views at all. i say 'u', so my ideas are worse than the next person's who just takes the time to hold shift, and write 'you'? i wouldn't say i have perfect grammar, but its not bad.. despite the fact that i don't use capitals and the like... if you ask me, what angers me is all the people who preach the "OMG Use good grammar! My oversized brain can't process all the terrible writing!" philosophy. let people type however they want. if you don't like how they type, then don't read it. don't post on the forums how much you hate how people type in order to get praise or something like that...[/rant]
  • Bosnian_CowboyBosnian_Cowboy Join Date: 2003-06-07 Member: 17088Members, Constellation
    edited August 2003
    I would know because I played it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> And getting regen for an onos is suicide. Too many groups of marines running around with shotguns.
  • StakhanovStakhanov Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14448Members
    I'd say the level 3 damage upgrade should be slightly decreased... 2 shotgun blasts fired in a split second killing a fade is quite ridiculous , just compare the prices : 10 res for a shotgun , 50 res for a fade. Who should win the fight ?...
    The biggest evolutions should be mostly vulnerable to HMG and GL fire , not to the average rambo's shotgun/lmg... theses are meant to kill skulks , lerks and gorges , and be effective at other tasks only in squads...
  • Bosnian_CowboyBosnian_Cowboy Join Date: 2003-06-07 Member: 17088Members, Constellation
    It costs 120 res to get to lvl 3 weapons. The fade should lose.
  • NicatorNicator Join Date: 2002-12-15 Member: 10829Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--DivW+Aug 5 2003, 08:45 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DivW @ Aug 5 2003, 08:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I hate to be mean or anything, but these days, I just ignore all the posts with "u'' instead of ''you'' in them.

    (and if you want to go deep into this, it's because if people don't even take the time to type properly, their idea won't be so good anyway(most of the time), seeing as they're even too lazy to type right) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <i>There is no greater mistake than the hasty conclusion that opinions are worthless because they are badly argued.</i> ~ Thomas H. Huxley
  • ZdrozZZdrozZ Join Date: 2003-01-11 Member: 12158Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Bosnian+Aug 5 2003, 09:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bosnian @ Aug 5 2003, 09:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It costs 120 res to get to lvl 3 weapons. The fade should lose. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hm, interesting. An onos costs 100 res, so he should lose against a lvl 3 LMG too?[/sarcasm]
  • LazerLazer Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14406Members, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sephiroth2k+Aug 5 2003, 08:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sephiroth2k @ Aug 5 2003, 08:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so my ideas are worse than the next person's who just takes the time to hold shift, and write 'you'? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Since when do you need to hold shift to type 'you'?
  • ignotignot Join Date: 2002-10-30 Member: 1762Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Lazer+Aug 5 2003, 03:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lazer @ Aug 5 2003, 03:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Sephiroth2k+Aug 5 2003, 08:57 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sephiroth2k @ Aug 5 2003, 08:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so my ideas are worse than the next person's who just takes the time to hold shift, and write 'you'? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Since when do you need to hold shift to type 'you'? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You would if Caps lock was on <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • KwilKwil Join Date: 2003-07-06 Member: 17963Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nicator+Aug 5 2003, 08:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nicator @ Aug 5 2003, 08:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <i>There is no greater mistake than the hasty conclusion that opinions are worthless because they are badly argued.</i> ~ Thomas H. Huxley <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Mr. Huxley never saw the internet.
  • NophelNophel Join Date: 2003-06-08 Member: 17121Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Kwil+Aug 5 2003, 12:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kwil @ Aug 5 2003, 12:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Nicator+Aug 5 2003, 08:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nicator @ Aug 5 2003, 08:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <i>There is no greater mistake than the hasty conclusion that opinions are worthless because they are badly argued.</i> ~ Thomas H. Huxley <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Mr. Huxley never saw the internet. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    LOL PWNT~

    Ah, that was very funny. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hm, interesting. An onos costs 100 res, so he should lose against a lvl 3 LMG too?[/sarcasm] <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Trouble is, he DOES <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Bosnian_CowboyBosnian_Cowboy Join Date: 2003-06-07 Member: 17088Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--ZdrozZ+Aug 5 2003, 10:09 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ZdrozZ @ Aug 5 2003, 10:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hm, interesting. An onos costs 100 res, so he should lose against a lvl 3 LMG too?[/sarcasm] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Did I say that? No I didn't. If you look at my first post in this topic you'll see I said the exact opposite.
  • ClintClint Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18816Members
    Just play NS 2.01a for awhile, you'll get used to it.

    Until the point that you don't really care anymore. The aliens arn't nerfed. I enjoyed them, when I played. I'd usually just destroy the marines, if I myself, and my whole team were Onos. Now, you can't do that. The game times are a lot less longer now, which in my opinion, is nice overall change. Hopefully you can just adjust, like the marine public gamers did for 2.0.
  • MasterEvilAceMasterEvilAce Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10268Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Bosnian+Aug 5 2003, 09:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bosnian @ Aug 5 2003, 09:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It costs 120 res to get to lvl 3 weapons. The fade should lose. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    um
    considering fades have to actually GET UP and touch you (IE: melee attacks), it's going to take an extra second or so for the fade to get to you, thus you'll have the advantage of scoring more damage, and hitting it first

    120 res for ALL players... for level 3 weapons. a ONE-TIME-only buy

    Fades, if they die, they have to spend the res AGAIN to get fades
    which means it stacks up over time.. not to mention 120 res is easier for the commander than it is for the aliens.
  • FoDJohnnyAppleWeedFoDJohnnyAppleWeed Join Date: 2003-05-31 Member: 16888Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--::gc.philleh::+Aug 5 2003, 07:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (::gc.philleh:: @ Aug 5 2003, 07:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It was a big problem if the marines knew what they were doing though.
    A well organised and disciplined alien team would have lost against a well organised and disciplined marine team. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah I agree with Philleh, and partially with the second post. JP/HMG in public games wasn't a real problem, you can't blame them for your lack of alien skill <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->, but yes in clan matches....basically, marines had more potential to win in 1.04 because of the ranged weapon factor. Anyone with skill with a range weapon beats someone skilled with melee simply because 1 can attack from any range, the other must be close. Always been the reason, thats why lerks/fades are a good idea at 1 hive, onos is a tad bit over doing it considering every player on the alien team can drop an RT or chamber right away and get a nice early res flow for quick onos domination <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • FoDJohnnyAppleWeedFoDJohnnyAppleWeed Join Date: 2003-05-31 Member: 16888Members
    Yeah master except hte fact that a smart alien team gets an incredibly fast res flow, and a skilled alien gets alotta res from kills, res have NEVER been a problem for me unless I was gorging and constantly dropping chambers, other wise going fade/onos is childs play, even with limited RT's/kills. The upgrades don't mean as much as they used to. Lvl 3 guns/armor was like "WHOA", now its like "ooo big whoop", cause you're right, its easy to get now, its no big deal anymore, specially with raised health of all aliens and lowered LMG damage =/
  • TickTockTickTock Join Date: 2002-05-13 Member: 608Members
    Fades have blink. A fade should never have a hard time getting up in a marine's face, or behind him for that matter. I'm a little surprised that you can see fades while they blink though. Now it's not so much a blink as "super speed".

    As for Onos, 100 res isn't THAT hard to get. They shouldn't be the beginning and end of god-like power they were in 1.0x. As an Onos, the only time I really had a problem was when marines were sieging Biodome and you could only get to them by those slow elevators. Other than that, I haven't had a problem with dying. And no, I never take wussy redemption. Regeneration and Carapace are both very effective, without the flaming CHEESE effect of redemp+devour. If I digest you, it's because you deserved it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Skulk might be a little too powerful in 2.0, but I don't want the return of wet tissue paper skulk from 1.04. Skulking should be fun. Not an exercise in futility.
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