Webs

XCanXCan Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5904Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">That's gotta be some strong ****</div> I was just wondering if webs is changed in anyway for 1.1. Right now I feel that webs are really too good vs ground units, however vs a JP with a welder they're useless. The really rediculess thing is how a gorge can catch 3 ha's off guard and finish them off by keeping them welded and wait for backup. I mean c'mon those servo powered armors can't be hindered by some webs, at least not that easilly.... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • HawkeyeHawkeye Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1855Members
    Yeah, I admit it is too easy. Webbing really should be a 4th weapon slot and not 3rd. It is way too easy otherwise to stop enemies unless they have welders. How often would that happen, anyway? If they did, that's 10 resources per person who has a welder. Compare this with the cost of alien resources for creating webbing.. lets see uh.. 0 res per web.. for 20 webs or so.. 0 * 20 = a big goose egg! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    Easily overcome, DON'T TRAVEL ALONE! Then webs are only an annoyance.
  • PegePege Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10088Members
    Web is overpowered when used against HA/HMGs. It's really silly how a 7 man HA/HMG squad can be paralyzed by 2 gorges and finished by a couple of umbraing lerks who seperate the HAs. I've seen it like 4 times. A 6 man HA/HMG squad with a single GLer backing them up is fine against webs/umbra, but if you forget the GL, your going to need God's and Satan's united help to save you from gorges...
  • SecretFireSecretFire Join Date: 2003-01-02 Member: 11712Members
    uhh guys, IIRC webs are the third hive skill for gorge in 1.1 Read the beta forum, neat info in there.
  • NiteowlNiteowl Join Date: 2002-09-04 Member: 1274Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    SIX heavies without ONE GL or the VERY least one with his WELDER out?!?!?

    that's just insanity if ya ask me . i mean, that is a bumload of cash to drop without taking into account the coutners for it.

    warning Star Craft analogy : it's like sending 50 zealots into a nice line of firebats and 10 sieged up tanks. units in NS, as in all RTSs, need balance!

    just as the gorge who can web these heavies up cannot do it alone (needs lerks, skulks, fades, wahtever) so to the heavies need supporting classes (jp or ha/gl, or welder squire).
  • Mr_Radical_EdMr_Radical_Ed Join Date: 2002-09-05 Member: 1285Members
    Other than changing it to a 3rd hive ability its still acts the same. Gorges don't stand a chance against HA marines.. never will
  • GadzukoGadzuko Join Date: 2002-12-26 Member: 11556Members, Constellation
    Web is a third hive ability in 1.1, and this topic has already been beaten to death so many times it isn't even funny any more.
  • PegePege Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10088Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Niteowl+Jun 24 2003, 01:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Niteowl @ Jun 24 2003, 01:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> SIX heavies without ONE GL or the VERY least one with his WELDER out?!?!? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If you mean the HA/HMGs should use welders to take out web, your right, but it's exactly how the kharaa want it to go. When you take welders out and "ditch" your HMGs, your basically lerk-meat due to the slow speed of HAs. Hive heals nearby aliens very fast and if gorge has put up like 3-4 DCs and a couple of OCs under it, they can get health back in an instant. You can't deliver enough damage with welders to kill them and if you take HMG, they web you. They always try to separate one HA from the group and then he is in trouble. If some manage to take out their HMGs and not get webbed, umbra will protect the hive and the aliens for some time for gorges to notice and web. It's really a hard counter for HA/HMGs and only way to counter it is to have a GL. Just one, one silly 33 RP GL in the hands of an avarage player could save you about 300 RP... I've seen this happen 4 times (that I specifically remember, no idea how many times it has happened without me realizing the pattern) so it's real and not some theoretical conclusion. Might be that the HAs would need more coordinated teamwork, but this happened once when my team was full of clanners (other team too though) so don't know...
  • matsomatso Master of Patches Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7000Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Squad Five Gold, Reinforced - Shadow, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin--Mr Radical Ed+Jun 24 2003, 02:21 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mr Radical Ed @ Jun 24 2003, 02:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Other than changing it to a 3rd hive ability its still acts the same. Gorges don't stand a chance against HA marines.. never will <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Muhah ... I managed to block/lock down 3 HA's only backed by a small WoL for long enough that a skulk could finish them off all three. You can lock down about 3 marines if you have adrenaline. Doesn't matter if they have the welder out or not. Of course, if one of them had had a GL, they would have owned me. But commanders don't drop GL's enough.

    Web as a hive 3 ability ... well, basically all hive 3 abilities are frills. 19 times out of 20, the game is decided by the hive 2 combat abilities. Has to be that way - if you needed hive 3 to win, the marines would just relocate and block hive 3 abilities from coming into the game.

    So basically, in 1.1 web is going to be of as much usefulness as babblers or spores - a neat way to quickly end an already won game.

    This, the carapace nerf and the decreased res flow for gorges (meaning you can't build healing stations anymore) is going to make the battle gorge an 1.04 memory only.
  • SinSpawnSinSpawn Harbinger of Suffering Join Date: 2002-11-12 Member: 8359Members
    It is ridicolous that 2 or more marines can be killed of by 2 gorges

    I understand if this was a suiciding marine with no help, no communication to team, but for 7 to be stalled by 2 gorges is just idiotic...What are the marines doing? butt ramming one another to be stuck 1 by 1..Its either that the gorge is REALLY smart and GOOD or those marines were all morons
  • PegePege Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10088Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--SinSpawn+Jun 24 2003, 02:59 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SinSpawn @ Jun 24 2003, 02:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It is ridicolous that 2 or more marines can be killed of by 2 gorges
    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Maybe you should read the topic once more to find out how... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Mr_Radical_EdMr_Radical_Ed Join Date: 2002-09-05 Member: 1285Members
    matso42, you can't get any further from the truth buddy.
    Of course I was refering to 1.1

    When you get the third hive up webs become a very useful ability that the gorge has to use. The ability makes the gorge some much more useful to support the offensive and to defend.

    The "battle gorge" actually is more viable in 1.1 than 1.04. You'll see in due time
  • XCanXCan Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5904Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Gadzuko+Jun 24 2003, 07:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gadzuko @ Jun 24 2003, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Web is a third hive ability in 1.1, and this topic has already been beaten to death so many times it isn't even funny any more. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Noone forces you to read the topic. Simple as that.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Well, web may be an awesome ability, but so are most of the third hive abilities. After all, why shouldn't they?
  • ShebaSheba Join Date: 2003-06-06 Member: 17046Members
    edited June 2003
    o m g ...

    What is the problem ? The marines you discribed must be awefull idiots ... Send a HA with welder in front for the webs ... weld him by the second ... and all the rest gives the gorges what they need ... <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Never saw what you discribed ... <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call? Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sheba+Jun 25 2003, 06:26 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sheba @ Jun 25 2003, 06:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> o m g ...

    What is the problem ? The marines you discribed must be awefull idiots ... Send a HA with welder in front for the webs ... weld him by the second ... and all the rest gives the gorges what they need ... <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Never saw what you discribed ... <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    then no-one you've played against knows how to gorge tbh, shoot the web straight at the HA, EVEN IF HE HAS A WELDER OUT and the web will form ON him, he will be webbed. THAT is the imbalance with webs if you ask me. I can deal with having one heavy out front with a welder being the counter to webs, I can't deal with no counter at all to a decent gorge (aside from maybe 3 nades spamming to hard he can't get close enough to web...)

    Roo
  • JackazzJackazz Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16170Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--matso42+Jun 24 2003, 03:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (matso42 @ Jun 24 2003, 03:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So basically, in 1.1 web is going to be of as much usefulness as babblers or spores - a neat way to quickly end an already won game.

    This, the carapace nerf and the decreased res flow for gorges (meaning you can't build healing stations anymore) is going to make the battle gorge an 1.04 memory only. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You forgot about bile bomb, it makes the battle gorge not only viable, but necessary.
  • ZERGZERG Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13132Members, Constellation
    I killed a whole HA squad as a gorge before. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I webbed them and I dropped some OCs and held them there with my webs. Good fun. They got **** lol <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    Aye webs should need to be layed before they actually hit the HA if u ask me.

    Possible solutions =
    Electirfy HA burning the webs on contact perhaps?
    Have an area hit effect perhaps ?
    Web on floor screws up ya legs perhaps?
    Web mid lvl lose ya gun ?
    Web head lvl choke to death <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> narr cant see or summit
  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call? Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    I think moving webs to hive 3 is probably the best solution on paper, so as long as the balance works out (playtesting seems to suggest it's fine), then we should all be OK

    Roo
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    Web can't stop this!

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=23328&hl=infamous' target='_blank'>WELDER RAMPAGE!!!</a>
  • Niloc1Niloc1 Join Date: 2003-04-25 Member: 15835Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Pege+Jun 24 2003, 01:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pege @ Jun 24 2003, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Web is overpowered when used against HA/HMGs. It's really silly how a 7 man HA/HMG squad can be paralyzed by 2 gorges and finished by a couple of umbraing lerks who seperate the HAs. I've seen it like 4 times. A 6 man HA/HMG squad with a single GLer backing them up is fine against webs/umbra, but if you forget the GL, your going to need God's and Satan's united help to save you from gorges... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why would there be that many HA without having welders?
  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call? Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    As I said in my post above, you can get webbed even if you're shooting your welder.

    One gorge CAN stop an entire team of HA/welders, I know I've done it and had it done to me. The web forms on you (if the gorge shoots you with the web directly) and even though you're firing your welder, it still gets you.

    I wonder how many more times I will say this in this thread...

    Roo
  • 10RoUNdTOmMYgUN10RoUNdTOmMYgUN Join Date: 2002-05-03 Member: 572Members
    Quit crying.


    Sheesh.

    It's a freakin web. If a big fly lands in a web in your backyard , you don't see the fly stand up and scream 'Time out , this web is just a little to strong........how am I supposed to get out of this?!?!?!?!? This isn't fair!!?!?!?!?!'
  • Dark_Shimmer1Dark_Shimmer1 Join Date: 2003-06-24 Member: 17666Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Niloc/+Jun 25 2003, 11:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Niloc/ @ Jun 25 2003, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Pege+Jun 24 2003, 01:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pege @ Jun 24 2003, 01:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Web is overpowered when used against HA/HMGs.  It's really silly how a 7 man HA/HMG squad can be paralyzed by 2 gorges and finished by a couple of umbraing lerks who seperate the HAs.  I've seen it like 4 times.  A 6 man HA/HMG squad with a single GLer backing them up is fine against webs/umbra, but if you forget the GL, your going to need God's and Satan's united help to save you from gorges... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why would there be that many HA without having welders? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Noobmander?
  • PegePege Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10088Members
    edited June 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--10RoUNdTOmMYgUN+Jun 25 2003, 11:46 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (10RoUNdTOmMYgUN @ Jun 25 2003, 11:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's a freakin web. If a big fly lands in a web in your backyard , you don't see the fly stand up and scream 'Time out , this web is just a little to strong........how am I supposed to get out of this?!?!?!?!? This isn't fair!!?!?!?!?!' <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Dude, geez. How many flys you see with heavy armor on?! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I bet 80% of people who posted here haven't even read the posts trough or seen good gorges webbing (or any gorges for that matter)...
  • XCanXCan Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 5904Members, Constellation
    The most silly part IMO is still how a web actually can stop a piece of power-armor prolly powered by some 10000 volt servo-engine. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MMZ_TorakMMZ_Torak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 3770Members
    <a href='http://newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99705.htm' target='_blank'>Clicky</a>

    for those that don't want to clicky:

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Question -  I need to know the stregth of a spider's thread for a
    science project but I can't find it anywhere.
    ------------------------------------------------
    A major problem with this kind of question is that there are many
    different spiders and their silk can be quite different from one species to
    another. That may be one reason I couldn't find any specific numbers, the
    books I checked say "as strong as a steel thread of the same size," or
    "twice as strong as a steel thread of the same size," I don't know if that
    is going to be much help for a science project. The other thing that makes
    spider silk unique is that while it is super strong it can also stretch,
    some species as much as double length before breaking.
    J. Elliott
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    So if a tiny spider's web can be "as strong as steel" how much stronger is a web made from something the size of a large dog?
  • Pr0phecyPr0phecy Join Date: 2002-04-04 Member: 381Members
    god whats with you people,if u dont wanna get webbed,look around, what do u marines want now? some sort of webbing machine to stop aliens?....Just live with it,its like anything that can counter ur machines of war is overpowerd,try looking around,jumping above the webs,make someone come with you,get a welder these are all good ways to overcome webs,Let me remind you that marines are the tech units and the aliens have to do with what they have,Without web how would u stop HA/HMG marines?...And if ur traveling with a group,Only 1 Marine would get webbed, the others would hear it and probably stop moving...Web is fine and its only 1 gorge that does it now,and if he wants to web a place near ur base well thats his risk cuz he can get easily killed by a marine who is around...
    Oh look onos can counter our HA/HMG nerf him and so on
  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call? Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin--Pr0phecy+Jun 25 2003, 02:13 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pr0phecy @ Jun 25 2003, 02:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> god whats with you people,if u dont wanna get webbed,look around, what do u marines want now? some sort of webbing machine to stop aliens?....Just live with it,its like anything that can counter ur machines of war is overpowerd,try looking around,jumping above the webs,make someone come with you,get a welder these are all good ways to overcome webs,Let me remind you that marines are the tech units and the aliens have to do with what they have,Without web how would u stop HA/HMG marines?...And if ur traveling with a group,Only 1 Marine would get webbed, the others would hear it and probably stop moving...Web is fine and its only 1 gorge that does it now,and if he wants to web a place near ur base well thats his risk cuz he can get easily killed by a marine who is around...
    Oh look onos can counter our HA/HMG nerf him and so on <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As I said in my post above, you can get webbed even if you're shooting your welder.

    One gorge CAN stop an entire team of HA/welders, I know I've done it and had it done to me. The web forms on you (if the gorge shoots you with the web directly) and even though you're firing your welder, it still gets you.

    I wonder how many more times I will say this in this thread...

    Roo <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Repeated for your benefit as you clearly didn't read it either of the above time of posting <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Roo
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