Clan Stacking
RyoOhki
Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Bit of a rant, but it's common</div> I like to play on public servers. There, I said it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> A lot of the time they offer good, clean gameplay and you get to know some regulars. However, far too often a clan comes along that is above the cut for the average pub server. They know how to work together as a team, they are highly efficient, they are very good players. Now these players are often great to have along, but suddenly you'll join a game and *sigh* the whole clan has joined one side.
Now against that unless you have some kind of magical perfect pub team you're not going to win. You might as well press F4 from the beginning because you're not going to win. A well orgainised and skilled clan team knows what it's doing and communication between them is second nature.
So I say to the good to average clans out there, PLEASE don't unbalance the server! It's just not fun winning so easily, if you want a good game split yourselves up and play each other off! I love having good players on my team but NOT to the detriment of the other team!
Now against that unless you have some kind of magical perfect pub team you're not going to win. You might as well press F4 from the beginning because you're not going to win. A well orgainised and skilled clan team knows what it's doing and communication between them is second nature.
So I say to the good to average clans out there, PLEASE don't unbalance the server! It's just not fun winning so easily, if you want a good game split yourselves up and play each other off! I love having good players on my team but NOT to the detriment of the other team!
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1) Sometimes clans do like to hop in a pub and play together, especially if they have no server of their own. Often it's nothing to do with "pwning teh n00bs", they just want to play alongside each other.
2) It's not always about winning. Many of the best games of NS I've had were ones where I was on the losing team.
I can kind of see where you're coming from though, but being in a clan myself (even one as glorioulsy inept as EC <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->) and playing almost exclusively on our server, I don't really see any of it.
[edit] In response to the previous post, it is more enjoyable sharing a winning/losing experience with a friend you know.
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I don't deny that myself, and the other public players, gain valuable experiance. It's just annoying that the outcome of the game is a forgone conclusion. Yes, you can have fun losing. But it does get a bit old charging into fully upgraded hmgs 10 times <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you're in a clan the games will get more like a routine than just a random, enjoyable game<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly. Because once the team is stacked, the clan is just going through the motions; they're not going to lose. Good orgainisation and a higher individual skill level means gg opposing team <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Boring.
Temporary clans are a good laugh. One time, a clan joined our server, so we decided to start a temporary clan by placing some random initials before our names, we were rubbish but it was funny.
Yeah, it's a bit like that on my favourite servers, with our resident buttock-prodders being |DoW|. They're usually pretty good about evening the teams, though, and we have a few skilled clanless regulars from time to time (like me <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->)
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would have to disagree, anyone who plays serious in pub games should be shot anyway.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I play seriously in pubs, and I usually AM shot. Fortunately, I'm good enough to dodge.
That's the problem: pubs often don't have this. It IS happening more and more though so it does demonstrate a trend of learning <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
The nubbins on the other team are **** me off with their total in ability to work together and listen/take orders, I am trying something, but no1 tries with me.
With my clan m8s They listen and cooperate
Also the fact that I am good friends with them and like to play with them cos we actually talk 1/2 the time and makes jokes <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
EDIT : Yes, we almost always win when we do this, but it is SO much more fun playing with friends thatn with random ppl who insult you <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
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I would have to disagree, anyone who plays serious in pub games should be shot anyway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I disagree. I always play to win, because if I don't I feel like I'm letting my team down and being disrespectful to my opponents. I always hate it when people don't put up the best fight they can, because to me thats like saying that me and my team aren't worth the effort of fighting hard. Thats not to say in the last minute of a game I won't pull out my knife and go for a fade or go suiskulk, but thats only when IP's and chair are down or the gorge and hive are both dead. I'm not in a clan, I just like a hard fought game.
In response to clan stacking, I don't mind it. Lots of times the clan people are too stupid to be much of a threat, even if they are all together. And not everyone with a tag is clan. My buddies and I all have a tag, but we picked it to make fun of the whole caln system. We don't have practices, don't scrimage, and don't do anything else clans do. We just like laughing about making clans hate their lives. Not all clans, because some are genuinely good players and decent people. But few things warm my heart more than eating a "elite"-speaking, incompetent jetpack/mine ****. Nothing wrong with jp's or mines, but so few people use them effectively.
Besides.. they can just take off their clan tags and you wouldn't know the difference.
1. Motion Tracking
2. Very explicit directions.
3. a LOT of patience.
These soldiers will perform like cripples compared to you, but just pair them up with someone, let them know that you're watching them with a few ammopacks, and they usually get into the groove of things.
They're not going to know to back away from the door after they open them or to check their roofs, so even if they have motrack, be a little more explicit when you see NSPlayer moving into triad. Give them easy-to-guard positions, don't use skill-heavy tactics like jp/weaponx, and tell them to crouch when they shoot.
Not only do they become more effective soldiers for you, but it's a far more welcome into a new game than "WTH NOOB OMG IM GONNA LOSE"
-Ayatollah
Bleh I've been going random more often.
Played a game where I was gorge, and had a clanmate command. Due to the inexperience of the majority of most of the players, the game lasted 3 hours with aliens coming back from a 2 hive lockdown, simply because my buddy left after the 1st hour when he could not get any cooperation from his marines.
He came back an hour later and could only join the alien team. The funniest thing was to hear the inflection in his voice when he said "This game's still going on?"
Clans use pub time to be a more cohesive unit , pubbers just play. I would rather play on a team that doesnt leave u scratching your head wondering 'WTH is that jack-**** doing?'.
So 1 of 2 things can happen , either u get in a clan or start ur own server.