Origin Of The Sentries

White_Hawke · March 2003

<div class="IPBDescription">...and we thought they were original</div> Sure, all strategy games have turrets, and even a few fps have turrets, but where do you suppose the turrets in Natural Selection came from? The "Aliens" movie of course! That is the second movie in the Aliens saga(the first one being "Alien"). "But Wait!", you say... "There weren't sentries in the second aliens movie!" Well I bought the entire series in a new boxed set they are selling it in, and the it turns out the film I speak of had 17 minutes of additional footage that wasn't shown when the film came out, or even on many of the runs it had on TV. About 6-10 minutes of that footage is of a series of scenes where the marines put up sentries that function almost exactly like the ones in Natural Selection. They even beep like the ones in NS as they turn! These forgotten scenes were very cool(lots of xenomorphs got messed up pretty badly) and I suggest any fan of NS go out and either rent or buy a NEW copy of the movie Aliens (especially if you have never seen this particular movie at all).

MaTT · March 2003

The directors cut of the film aliens has been out for well over a decade.... get with it! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Supernorn · March 2003

Flayra bought some commercial sounds for the game, so that explains the same beeping the turrets make.
But i still dont see your point...

White_Hawke · March 2003

I just never got around to buying the movies until a week or so ago. I had just watched them on TV hundreds of times. I apologize for my igonorance.

coil · March 2003

Oh dear, NS ripped off the alien movies again... q:

AvP and AvP2 (I presume) also had automatic sentry turrets that beeped; however, they looked more like the siege turret (more ripping off!), and fired in a limited arc. They were also ridiculously deadly.

I find it sad that people find the need to constantly accuse games/movies of ripping off other games/movies. Why not go all the way, and say that NS is ripping off China, because it uses guns, which use gunpowder, which was first invented by the ancient Chinese?

I'd make a mod that only used sticks for weapons, but then I'd be ripping off cavemen.

[/rant]

On a lighter note, the Director's Cut of Aliens is *excellent*. It adds back in three major scenes that were cut from the original theatrical release - the sentry guns, the initial infestation of LV-426 (where you meet Newt's parents and brother), and Ripley's daughter. The scenes both at the beginning of the movie and around the sentry gun subplot all make a LOT more sense, continuity-wise, with the missing scenes reinserted.

MaTT · March 2003

If you really want to look out for something in NS thats not just influenced by the alien films but is a complete rip from the first alien film then look out for a corridor on a certain NS map that is almost a replica of the style of many of the doors on the landing craft.

First person to tell me the name of the map and area what the area is called wins a huge jar of cookies...

Redford · March 2003

...which are based off the model for sentry guns in the millitary, which ALSO stand on a tripod, beep, and turn.

MaTT · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Mar 1 2003, 11:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>On a lighter note, the Director's Cut of Aliens is *excellent*. It adds back in three major scenes that were cut from the original theatrical release - the sentry guns, the initial infestation of LV-426 (where you meet Newt's parents and brother), and Ripley's daughter. The scenes both at the beginning of the movie and around the sentry gun subplot all make a LOT more sense, continuity-wise, with the missing scenes reinserted.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
Yea... The scene that most adds to the film out of all of those that were cut has to be the one where Ripley learns of her daughters death of old age. Bieng a mother herself you can see why Ripley has such an affinity with Newt and why she is so willing to put her own life at risk to try and save Newt near the end of the film. If she's lost one daughter already then she is going to do everything she can to make sure she wont lose the one she has gained...

But then of course they go and ruin that in Alien 3 by killing her off, but I suppose they had to because the girl playing her had grown up...

P.S. Bonus points for telling me what is Newts full name (Newt is just a nickname)...

Jim · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (|MaTT| @ Mar 1 2003, 06:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> First person to tell me the name of the map and area what the area is called wins a huge jar of cookies... </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
ns_bast?...erm that area where you go in the vent by engine room then up a ladder? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

AlienBreed · March 2003

the sentry guns were in teh original "cut" version of aliens
the directors cut just has more footage of them

and yes teh directors cut is by far the better version,when you seen it you wonder why they cut it in the first place

AlienBreed · March 2003

btw....
rebecca jorden <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

from memory <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

MaTT · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jim @ Mar 2 2003, 12:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (|MaTT| @ Mar 1 2003, 06:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> First person to tell me the name of the map and area what the area is called wins a huge jar of cookies... </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
ns_bast?...erm that area where you go in the vent by engine room then up a ladder? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
yay!!!! you win!!!

And heres the proof!

<img src='http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ns_bast.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
ns_bast 'n' corridor.

<img src='http://www.mathus.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ns_alien.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
Scene from alien where the crew are racing between deck to catch the burning acid. Its lit differently and the hallway is shorther but the door is the same. Theres one corridor later on in the film which looks a lot more like the one in the map as its lit the same and the corridor resembles the one in the map much more but I couldnt get a good pic of that.

And heres your prize....
<img src='http://www.floridacrystals.com/images/recipes/cookies.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Supernorn · March 2003

Looks like Relic put in a little easter egg to pay homage to it...
Or its just a massive coincidence.

AlienBreed · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> btw....
rebecca jorden

from memory </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

still waiting for my prize....<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

i bet hes watching the film to check <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

MaTT · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AlienBreed @ Mar 2 2003, 12:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> btw....
rebecca jorden

from memory </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

still waiting for my prize....<img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'>

i bet hes watching the film to check <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
lol.... Im playing splinter cell and taking breaks from playing by reading the forums... and yes you are right! <img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

AlienBreed · March 2003

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

saint0z · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (|MaTT| @ Mar 2 2003, 12:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
And heres your prize....
[img]
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
it may be just me, but those are some nasty looking cookies

KMGor · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>the sentry guns were in teh original "cut" version of aliens</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Not in the home video versions. I have a laser disc of the original as well as a VHS. They do not have the sentries.

masterswordman · March 2003

WHY DO YOU PEOPLE CARE? <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

SuicideRusher · March 2003

i am yet to watch aliens <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'>

i think ill go buy the *all aliens dvd in 1 set* thingy

Windelkron · March 2003

relic owns!

Thraka · March 2003

I seem to remember the sentry guns being in the original theatrical release...but somewhere along the way from bring screen to VHS, I think they were cut. Or maybe I'm wrong again. But I could've sworn remembering the turret scenes when I saw them again on the DVD.

Ego · March 2003

ah, ye old ripoff post eh, well time to up my posts

its a scale of ripoff to ripoff to ripoff

Natural Selection ---> Gloom, quake 2 mod, ---> quake 2 game ----> quake 1 game -----> doom ----- > wolfenstien 3d -----> black thorne ------> nintendo ---> atari ----> room sized computer ---> idea in some dudes head -----> idea in another dudes head that he wrote on paper ---- > a monkey that was in a lab ----> bible time discussions about philosophy and antropotics ----- > jesus -------> john, a caveman ---- > larry, johns wife... ----> single celled organism ----> molten lava -----> nebula -----> star light ---- > distant cosmos -----> Larry Jr. the space alien

so quite oviously NS stole its ideas for my buddy Larry, who is here to claim his fat loots that flay is pulling down for this free game he is makin. Fork it up flayboy, were here for royalties!

Ego

[FACT] - when one is bored, a monkey can solve several quagmires

Zenn · March 2003

Wow, I'm SHOCKED by how much those doors match EXACTLY, down to the little red/white thingy near the window (which is slightly different, but THERE none the less). Cool

If I'm not mistaken, Nancy has a lot of doors like that also.

Zel · March 2003

oh no valve ripped off me because i was human WAY before they ever made gordon freeman!

omg omg n000!!!!11111

Cereal_KillR · March 2003

OMG THEY INVENTED HUMANS THAT FIGHT ALIENS ITS STOLEN FROM ALIENS TEH MOVIE!!!!!!!!111111&1oneoneoneoneone!

Nemesis_Zero · March 2003

People, read the whole post before flaming. Hawke didn't accuse Flay of ripping stuff off anywhere, he just noted that there were also sentries in Aliens (inspiration et all).

So pull that sarcasm back together and move it in the S&I forum where I'm sure some guy posts a sniper rifle thread as I type.

Towneh · March 2003

I personally think it's great there are things in NS that are inspired from a great film such as Alien, keep up the job guys <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Talesin · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Mar 2 2003, 02:33 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> People, read the whole post before flaming. Hawke didn't accuse Flay of ripping stuff off anywhere, he just noted that there were also sentries in Aliens (inspiration et all).

So pull that sarcasm back together and move it in the S&I forum where I'm sure some guy posts a sniper rifle thread as I type.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Speaking of which, I want my M82! <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'>

Iden · March 2003

Also in Bast if you go to the bridge/observatory, I can't remember which it's called, but it looks like a cockpit area. You'll find another alien's tribute. Go find it!

Brain_Cleaner · March 2003

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Iden @ Mar 2 2003, 11:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Also in Bast if you go to the bridge/observatory, I can't remember which it's called, but it looks like a cockpit area. You'll find another alien's tribute. Go find it!  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
the LV-429 or what ever on the screen with the geo-graph thing...

there's a System shock 2 easter eg that you ALL should have seen on a map to..<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Origin Of The Sentries

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