Soo...what happened to the Degasi survivors?

CAPSHAWCAPSHAW Nevada Join Date: 2016-09-29 Member: 222692Members
Are we going to see something in 1.0, or do we just forget about them?

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  • SkopeSkope Wouldn't you like to know ;) Join Date: 2016-06-07 Member: 218212Members
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    Skope wrote: »
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  • SkopeSkope Wouldn't you like to know ;) Join Date: 2016-06-07 Member: 218212Members
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  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    edited September 2017
    Skope wrote: »
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  • Mr_EndarMr_Endar Join Date: 2016-03-05 Member: 213859Members
  • ShuttleBugShuttleBug USA Join Date: 2017-03-15 Member: 228943Members
    Mr_Endar wrote: »

    If anyone wants to mod that sound for the reapers roar I will fully support you
  • The08MetroidManThe08MetroidMan Join Date: 2016-09-23 Member: 222527Members
    edited September 2017
    Ok, just for the sake of posterity, I'll answer the OP's question;
    When the survivors crashed, they first set up shop on the floater island, but unfortunately it was the planet's storm season so their bases were in danger of being drowned out. They moved away to the Jellyshroom Caves, while their base on the floater island got buried in a landslide. Margurite wanted to keep going down deeper into the sea to find a way to disable whatever shot them down, but Paul wanted them to either stay or go back to the island.

    Eventually, they left the Jellyshroom caves after gathering enough materials, setting up shop in the Deep Grand Reef, where their Carar infections began to reach later-stage development. Bart wanted to study the creatures for signs of adaptation or antibodies, but Margurite kept killing them or pumping them so full of transfuser serums that most couldn't be studied. In the hight of arrogance, Margurite brought back a Leviathan (never specified if it was a Reaper or a Ghost) for study, hooked to the back of their Cyclops in a near-death state, despite Paul's panicked protests about how other Leviathans would come looking for the one Margurite took

    Of course, that's exactly what happened; in the midst of an argument between the three, a Leviathan attacked the Deep Grand Reef base and crippled it - and presumably their Cyclops as well, as no mention of it escaping was made. Paul was injured and about to be killed by the Leviathan, but Margurite attacked it by plowing into it with a seaglide and clinging to it's neck while stabbing it's throat with a piece of shrapnel. The Leviathan vanished into the open waters with Margurite still clinging to it, Paul assuming she died. Paul's last log details how he couldn't find Bart, having followed a "light" deeper down into sea but finding nothing and noting he's low on air and the scent of his blood in the water will probably draw something to finish him off soon enough.

    The last log from the trio is Bart's, left on the floater island, detailing he somehow survived and made it back to the surface. He laments how "they" - either the Warpers or possibly the Precursors - didn't want them on the planet but that he kept this hidden from Paul and Margurite, which would suggest the Warpers may have actually led the Leviathan to them. As all three had been entering late-stage infection, Bart laments he "deserves" his loneliness, implying he eventually died of Carar infection since he holed up on the island and never went pack into the water, thereby depriving him of contact with the Enzyme-carrying peepers that could have caused remission of his infection.
  • NuclearTestingNuclearTesting Join Date: 2017-07-27 Member: 232082Members
    edited September 2017
    Just a wild guess but...
    I think the surviving crew of the Degasi succumbed to infection. All the PDA logs I've found point to getting infected by the Carar. I think a few (most) were also killed by a leviathan.
  • zetachronzetachron Germany Join Date: 2014-11-14 Member: 199655Members
    edited September 2017
    All BS
    • The Degasi never mention the Emperor, but long and deep enough down there.
    • The Cyclops has no tools to catch or harm a leviathan. I wish it had such cool tools.
    • No Storm can penetrate the QEP mountain caves and there is no danger there.
    • Same with Precursor insides, as there is no land based Warper defense.
    • The Degasi must have found and entered the QEP or being completely retarded.
    • Degasi and Alterra are a bunch of morons which send SOS without mentioning being shot down.
    • If Precursors can prevent shot down warnings, they can prevent SOS.
    • No sane quarantine manager prevents shooting warnings. They welcome it.
    • No leviathan is smart enough to attack a motionless and silent base.
    • There is no explanation why Precursor defense tracks down targets and killed Degasi and Alterra survivors, but not the player for a year.
    • If the reason is the Emperor telepathically interfering, it could be reasonable, but isn't part of the story.
    • There should be a reason why the player is the only one receiving the Emperor, but there is none.

    Steps needed for correction:
    • Player has telepathic resonance.
    • Emperor can telepathically distract Precursor targeting, as Warpers receive telepathic Precursor orders.
    • 1 leviathan weapon to turn it asleep. Probably gas torpedo.
    • 1 Warper-like land defender for Precursor interiors that also cleans land caves.
    • Not Storm, but Precursor land defenders drive Degasi into ocean. PDA only mentions strange robots or flood of land creatures.
  • 0x6A72320x6A7232 US Join Date: 2016-10-06 Member: 222906Members
    zetachron wrote: »
    All BS
    • The Degasi never mention the Emperor, but long and deep enough down there.
    • The Cyclops has no tools to catch or harm a leviathan. I wish it had such cool tools.
    • No Storm can penetrate the QEP mountain caves and there is no danger there.
    • Same with Precursor insides, as there is no land based Warper defense.
    • The Degasi must have found and entered the QEP or being completely retarded.
    • Degasi and Alterra are a bunch of morons which send SOS without mentioning being shot down.
    • If Precursors can prevent shot down warnings, they can prevent SOS.
    • No sane quarantine manager prevents shooting warnings. They welcome it.
    • No leviathan is smart enough to attack a motionless and silent base.
    • There is no explanation why Precursor defense tracks down targets and killed Degasi and Alterra survivors, but not the player for a year.
    • If the reason is the Emperor telepathically interfering, it could be reasonable, but isn't part of the story.
    • There should be a reason why the player is the only one receiving the Emperor, but there is none.

    Steps needed for correction:
    • Player has telepathic resonance.
    • Emperor can telepathically distract Precursor targeting, as Warpers receive telepathic Precursor orders.
    • 1 leviathan weapon to turn it asleep. Probably gas torpedo.
    • 1 Warper-like land defender for Precursor interiors that also cleans land caves.
    • Not Storm, but Precursor land defenders drive Degasi into ocean. PDA only mentions strange robots or flood of land creatures.

    Alterra Cyclops have no such tools, and / or we don't have blueprints / de-restricted fabricators to craft those upgrades.
  • zetachronzetachron Germany Join Date: 2014-11-14 Member: 199655Members
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    Alterra Cyclops have no such tools, and / or we don't have blueprints / de-restricted fabricators to craft those upgrades.

    Usually Cyclops is a trademark of Alterra Corp. and thus a Torgal Corp. Cyclops would not exist.

    The problem with the Degasi logs are that they want to sound cool with mercenary coming back with captured leviathan and surface storms. Even the Emperor telepathic concept feels cool. Yet they are inconsistent and unreasonable. No Cyclops could do this, the Emperor mysteriously only contacts the player as well as Precursor never track down the player like the Degasi crew ended. And no surface or Precursor interior has any real dangers.

    So the Degasi scripts should be made a bit more consistent before doing voice recording. Then it will be too late to fix it.
  • SkopeSkope Wouldn't you like to know ;) Join Date: 2016-06-07 Member: 218212Members
    edited September 2017
    zetachron wrote: »
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    Alterra Cyclops have no such tools, and / or we don't have blueprints / de-restricted fabricators to craft those upgrades.

    Usually Cyclops is a trademark of Alterra Corp. and thus a Torgal Corp. Cyclops would not exist.

    The problem with the Degasi logs are that they want to sound cool with mercenary coming back with captured leviathan and surface storms. Even the Emperor telepathic concept feels cool. Yet they are inconsistent and unreasonable. No Cyclops could do this, the Emperor mysteriously only contacts the player as well as Precursor never track down the player like the Degasi crew ended. And no surface or Precursor interior has any real dangers.

    So the Degasi scripts should be made a bit more consistent before doing voice recording. Then it will be too late to fix it.

    Who said that the Cyclops is the one that killed it? Marguerit, a trained mercenary, would probably be much more able-bodied to kill the Reaper than us, the player. And we can kill the Reaper, albeit, in very inefficient ways.

    It never says that the Cyclops was the main tool that killed the Reaper, only that it was dragged back to the Degasi base via the Cyclops.

    And who knows? What if one of the is being talked to by the Emperor. Say, the person paranoid enough to forcibly drag the other two deeper, ergo, closer to the Emperor. Or maybe the one trying his hardest to keep them out of the water, away from the Precursor structures.

    And (these guys aren't really hostile, but they really could and ultimately should be hostile) these things exist.

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  • zetachronzetachron Germany Join Date: 2014-11-14 Member: 199655Members
    Skope wrote: »
    zetachron wrote: »
    0x6A7232 wrote: »
    Alterra Cyclops have no such tools, and / or we don't have blueprints / de-restricted fabricators to craft those upgrades.

    Usually Cyclops is a trademark of Alterra Corp. and thus a Torgal Corp. Cyclops would not exist.

    The problem with the Degasi logs are that they want to sound cool with mercenary coming back with captured leviathan and surface storms. Even the Emperor telepathic concept feels cool. Yet they are inconsistent and unreasonable. No Cyclops could do this, the Emperor mysteriously only contacts the player as well as Precursor never track down the player like the Degasi crew ended. And no surface or Precursor interior has any real dangers.

    So the Degasi scripts should be made a bit more consistent before doing voice recording. Then it will be too late to fix it.

    Who said that the Cyclops is the one that killed it? Marguerit, a trained mercenary, would probably be much more able-bodied to kill the Reaper than us, the player. And we can kill the Reaper, albeit, in very inefficient ways.

    It never says that the Cyclops was the main tool that killed the Reaper, only that it was dragged back to the Degasi base via the Cyclops.

    And who knows? What if one of the is being talked to by the Emperor. Say, the person paranoid enough to forcibly drag the other two deeper, ergo, closer to the Emperor. Or maybe the one trying his hardest to keep them out of the water, away from the Precursor structures.

    And (these guys aren't really hostile, but they really could and ultimately should be hostile) these things exist.

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    Well the Degasi Cyclops is more a minor issue.

    The telepathic contact was consistent with gameplay when it took place near PCF as Degasi probably didn't come that far, but with surface contact this should be explained and rewritten. Usually a group experiencing a telepathic contact put it in their PDA.

    Either the player could have a backstory explaining his telepathic resonance and thus the Emperor could explain why the player can experience a year on Subnautica untracked enough to get no Warper armada chasing him.

    Or the Degasi logs get upgraded to cover Emperor contacts. And finally they were there too long to not get hunted down or fell to the Carar.

    Precursor spider robots could and should be made dangerous ground defenders, I agree. It is consistent with abandoned island bases and makes Precursor expeditions more scary.
  • The08MetroidManThe08MetroidMan Join Date: 2016-09-23 Member: 222527Members
    edited September 2017
    @zetachron

    You're assuming a lot with that, though. To the point that a lot of your claims kinda fall through;
    • Nothing in the logs ever said anything about the Leviathan being brought down by something equipped to the Cyclops. Hell, nothing even specifies how it was injured - maybe Margurite had black-market weapons on her, or maybe she used a stasis rifle and just kept shanking it until it was near-death. Also, you forget that, according to the logs, the Degasi crew had transfuser equipment, so they might have had something that could stun or tranquilize it with enough doses - Margurite pumping her catches full of them was apparently an issue, if the logs are any indication.
    • There's no indication that the Degasi crew ever even reached the QEP/Mountain Island, though. They were still looking for whatever had shot them down even as late as the DGR and couldn't even make sense of the key they'd found. If they'd known about it, they likely would have built a base at the mountains - but they didn't, so they had to abandon their bases when the storms hit. Also, you forget that base stability wasn't the reason the Degasi survivors abandoned the floating island - it was because there was a risk of storms wiping out their crops; depending on how bad these hypothetical storm seasons get, crops at the mountain island wouldn't have necessarily lasted any better.
    • The Sea Emperor blatantly asks "What are you?" during the initial contact at the QEP - which implies the player-character is the first human she's ever contacted directly, be it because she never bothered with the other survivors or because the player-character is somehow unique/more sensitive to receiving her powers. Either way, the point remains the same; the Degasi survivors never mentioned her because they never heard from her - the "they"/individuals Bart mentioned in his final logs were probably either the Warpers or some remnant of the Precursors.
    • To accuse the Degasi survivors of being "retarded" for not visiting or even finding the QEP is to forget that the ship they were salvaging metal from was nowhere near the size of the Aurora. Whereas the player has abundant metal salvage to recycle into potentially-sprawling seabases, the Degasi crew barely had enough at any one time to make more than the sparse habitats we see in-game, as it's implied it took them a fair bit of time to gather those materials. For all intents and purposes, they considered themselves stuck at the zones they visited, and Margurite was pushing for them to go down, not north - had she known a crucial piece of the puzzle was still up on the surface, I doubt she'd have willingly passed it up.
    • The whole reason the Aurora went looking for the Degasi is because they never got an SOS from it, or any kind of message at all for that matter - all contact was lost, full stop. Same with the Aurora in regards to the Sunbeam - even though the automatic distress was active, it was just a general warning since nobody was still alive on the ship to make a manual message. Hell, by the time the player gets aboard the Aurora, it's drive-core explosion has likely either destroyed or severely damaged the comm equipment beyond the point of further use.
    • That kind of feels like a counterintuitive insinuation to make, regarding the Precursors wanting to block SOS's; the QEP is openly broadcasting a quarantine warning, albeit in a language nobody can understand. They didn't want to keep people from sending an SOS - hell, if anything, they wanted it as clear as possible to others that going to that planet was practically asking to get stranded there.
    • The Carar killed billions, all of which were members of a species far more advanced than humans - by that point, they probably figured any risk was too much and decided shooting first, asking questions later was the only assurance they had of keeping the infection limited to the planet.
    • The Leviathan attacking the base was inferred to have one of two causes; Paul's belief that Margurite bringing an injured Leviathan to their base drew others to them in an attempt to rescue their own kind, or the popular fan-theory based on Bart's log that the Warpers lead a Leviathan to them. In either scenario, the overall result is the same - the Leviathan clearly did not attack the Degasi's base out of nowhere or without provocation; it was drawn there/given motivation to.
    • Bart's logs imply Warpers did have a hand in killing the Degasi, or at the very least that they tried to - he said himself that they didn't want them on the planet, but he hid knowing this from Paul and Margurite. But they very much ended up dead after a while either way, so that's a moot argument. In regards to the player-character outliving the Aurora crew, that's even simpler - based on the other crew logs, the player was one of the only ones (if not THE only one) lucky enough to have a lifepod that landed in the relatively-placid safe shallows without said pod being catastrophically damaged during atmospheric entry or in the landing itself, which instantly put them in better survival straits than the rest of the Aurora survivors.
    • I do actually agree that it'd be nice to have a reason why the Sea Emperor never contacted anybody else but the player, but that doesn't equate to there being no possible reason for it. The most likely one is that the player is the only one we know of who actually managed to find the Precursor's bases and interact with them, whereas none of the other survivors from either the Aurora or Degasi could even find them, much less open them and start learning the secrets inside. Ergo, the player is the only one "worthy" of reaching out to by way of them being the only one to get this far, so the Sea Emperor banks faith on them making it the rest of the way.
    • You forget that the peepers keep a lot of the area's ecosystem alive with their delivery of Enzyme 42 across the map, and they probably didn't get as much contact with them when they went deeper down. More prominently though, the DGR is a key entrance point to the LR, which was ground-zero for the infection and has the highest bacteria count on the map - in other words, the Carar situation wouldn't have gotten close to terminal until they went down to the DGR. When Bart returned to the surface, his grief probably kept him secluded on the island until he died of the infection.
    • In regards to how long they survive against the wild, need I remind you that the player can survive near-
      indefinitely if they're careful and well-prepared enough? Three people together would have a much better chance at surviving a fair bit of time - hell, they might have still been alive when the Aurora crashed if not for their internal division.
    • The Precursor drones seemed to be specifically geared towards repair and maintenance - the spider-bots are probably more caretakers than anything else, meant to keep the facilities and the Precursor's mind-archive data-boxes running well. Also, I feel compelled to point out that, since all Precursor structures require water-access to reach, they likely assumed their Quarantine-Enforcer units - AKA, the Warpers - were all the defense the structures needed. That's to say nothing of how all the Precursor facilities are abandoned - there's no interior personnel to require higher levels of protection than the Warpers outside for.

    To make a long story short, the "steps for correction" you bring up don't actually seem needed, if one looks at the lore close enough. It's not flawless, mind you, but what the issues are nowhere near as bad as you're claiming them to be.
  • baronvonsatanbaronvonsatan TX, USA Join Date: 2016-12-01 Member: 224415Members
    ...those things are hostile. I don't recommend exploring the area you find them in without a Propulsion Cannon.
  • kingkumakingkuma cancels Work: distracted by Dwarf Fortress Join Date: 2015-09-25 Member: 208137Members
    edited September 2017
    Maybe some of them WERE contacted by the emperor, but either A: Thought they were going mad from the isolation OR B: They didn't want the others to know, due to not wanting people think they were insane. But @The08MetroidMan makes a good point about the "What are you?" quote.

    Also, Don't forget a GL spawns in the grand reef now. Maybe Marguiet captured a juvenile from the LR, and the older, grand reef GL came back to save it, as a sort of "protector", like how birds defend their nests. I doubt the warpers could portal an entire Leviathan through to the base, as they have trouble with crabsquids and ampeels, and GLs and reapers are MUCH MUCH bigger.
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