Everyone remembers how the skulks played when NS2 was 1st released - Flying demon dogs from outer space blink and you miss them, they then got nerfed so far to say that, if i pick up a brick and throw it, it only goes one direaction with very little movment in the air, at one speed that slows down.
So with the change of hitbox plus the skulks HP and speed, i am hoping that playing a skulk will be good and fun again, and not feel like a flying brick but not OP, as marines "should" be able to hit the skulks better now. so all in all, seems that these changes "MAY" be good.
Now i shall wait and see.
Huh? Weren't skulks bricks until BT-mod? That's how I remember it.
I recall that around release or perhaps in the beta there was some insane ceiling (or lack thereof) in the speed that skulks could achieve through walljumping. But this often required specific routes that needed a lot of practice. Only a handful of people in AUS could pull it off IIRC.
Maybe movement has been nerfed since BT? It has almost certainly been buffed since release. Like many others, I was on the verge of quitting because of brick skulks, which thankfully were since corrected.
Thirdperson command is not accurately visualized for animations. You can try Onos or the Fade too, and you'll notice wonky things that you never see in game (like fade twitching etc)
Get an example from first person
You've got a point. In CS:GO your left foot it always in front and strafing will make you do sidesteps.
In NS2 your whole lower body is changing direction when you strafe into another direction.
However, I think it would look weird in NS2, if you were doing side steps in the same speed as if you were moving forward.
I'm assuming it works in Csgo, because it is slower.
You've got a point. In CS:GO your left foot it always in front and strafing will make you do sidesteps.
In NS2 your whole lower body is changing direction...
*instantly*
that's the problem they just need to create and add a change direction animation because currently there is none so you instantly jump between going left and going right animation
I'm assuming it works in Csgo, because it is slower.
A change direction animation might still look weird, if you accelerate to max movement speed in an almost instant.
If you make the turning animation slower, your feet would face to the front for a short moment of time, while you're not actually walking in that direction.
Look at the animation. The body does not change direction at all. When you're strafing left your model is essentially slightly walking backwards. Now imagine this in NS2, where you walk/run with 2.2 meters per second as a marine.
It would just look weird if you had the csgo sidestepping/backwards walking animation with the ns2 marine speed.
Overwatch has a slower turning animation, but it still looks kind of spastic when you tap A/D.
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..You're still relying on the thirdperson command to make your comparison..
Seriously, try to reproduce it in first person and see if it looks the same. I've seen many a marine shuffle fast like that, but the animation for the legs have never looked that spastic.
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Here's what it actually looks like in first person (legs are far less spastic).. but even then to get the legs to do that, you're really not shuffling adequately by staying in place.
I don't see this as big of an issue as marine legs disappearing from your view due to the jump animation and default FOV.
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Well, the NS2 animations are indeed not good. But saying CS:go is far better is, well, wrong.
In CS:Go people running around like having a stick in the ass.
Look at the animation. The body does not change direction at all. When you're strafing left your model is essentially slightly walking backwards. Now imagine this in NS2, where you walk/run with 2.2 meters per second as a marine.
It would just look weird if you had the csgo sidestepping/backwards walking animation with the ns2 marine speed.
Overwatch has a slower turning animation, but it still looks kind of spastic when you tap A/D.
No it's really not a problem of the marine speed in NS2. It is very much alike, however I agree that CSGO animations are stiff (because made for slower headshot gameplay not because movement speed requires it).
A proper running animation doesn't trigger exactly when the player press the button, it starts after the model accelerated a certain speed.
A or D should be the "MOVE THERE" button not the "ACTIVATE ANIMATION BUTTON" otherwise it can be abused and as I said spamming A/D really fast is not worth a gameplay mechanic especially if it exploits broken animation to look random then it's basically 50/50 completely luck based, you want luck based in NS2? I don't
If you look at Overwatch which has the most recent and high budget animations out of the bunch, that's exactly what happens McCree keeps his normal walk cycle until a certain speed thershold activates the strafe animation like CSGO with fancier animations.
@IronHorse yes honestly it's still on the spasmatic end of the spectrum
ok.. sure.. but.. it doesn't change the ability of skulk bites to connect, especially because the marine isn't really dodging by doing that, they're staying in the same place essentially?
So it's just an aesthetic issue imo.
And again, an adequate marine shuffle doesn't look anything like that.
@IronHorse yes honestly it's still on the spasmatic end of the spectrum
ok.. sure.. but.. it doesn't change the ability of skulk bites to connect, especially because the marine isn't really dodging by doing that, they're staying in the same place essentially?
So it's just an aesthetic issue imo.
And again, an adequate marine shuffle doesn't look anything like that.
I disagree with this only being an aesthetic issue. You do see some good strafers do that movement till you get close. I think going from a spastic movement into a more wider strafe is effective because it's hard to get a read on what the marine is doing.
I think it would be easier to know what you are looking at if the movement was smoother and could help aliens. If aliens can see movement clear, that could lead to them hitting a higher percentage of their bites. I think aliens missing is one the biggest issues with game-play right now. The bite cone is already really good for a skulk now, but it's hard to get the movement of the game down and a decent part of that could be the lack of smoothness of the marine animation. Yea, the game would probably look better too.
I disagree with this only being an aesthetic issue. You do see some good strafers do that movement till you get close. I think going from a spastic movement into a more wider strafe is effective because it's hard to get a read on what the marine is doing.
So he's just feinting? I don't see how changing the animation would fix that in any way, nor do I see how that's a problem.
I disagree with this only being an aesthetic issue. You do see some good strafers do that movement till you get close. I think going from a spastic movement into a more wider strafe is effective because it's hard to get a read on what the marine is doing.
So he's just feinting? I don't see how changing the animation would fix that in any way, nor do I see how that's a problem.
It could make no difference. I just think it would be easier for aliens to predict marine movement if it looked smoother and it didn't look like good marines that know how to strafe are disappearing on them. I think aliens in this game need that kind of help and it would make the game look better. I say, why not?
@IronHorse yes honestly it's still on the spasmatic end of the spectrum
ok.. sure.. but.. it doesn't change the ability of skulk bites to connect, especially because the marine isn't really dodging by doing that, they're staying in the same place essentially?
So it's just an aesthetic issue imo.
And again, an adequate marine shuffle doesn't look anything like that.
I thought it wasn't about pragmatism, but more about "feel"...
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Huh? Weren't skulks bricks until BT-mod? That's how I remember it.
I recall that around release or perhaps in the beta there was some insane ceiling (or lack thereof) in the speed that skulks could achieve through walljumping. But this often required specific routes that needed a lot of practice. Only a handful of people in AUS could pull it off IIRC.
Maybe movement has been nerfed since BT? It has almost certainly been buffed since release. Like many others, I was on the verge of quitting because of brick skulks, which thankfully were since corrected.
Thirdperson command is not accurately visualized for animations. You can try Onos or the Fade too, and you'll notice wonky things that you never see in game (like fade twitching etc)
Get an example from first person
See how broken it looks compared to CS GO
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In NS2 your whole lower body is changing direction when you strafe into another direction.
However, I think it would look weird in NS2, if you were doing side steps in the same speed as if you were moving forward.
I'm assuming it works in Csgo, because it is slower.
that's the problem they just need to create and add a change direction animation because currently there is none so you instantly jump between going left and going right animation
No because CS devs know how to make animations
If you make the turning animation slower, your feet would face to the front for a short moment of time, while you're not actually walking in that direction.
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Look at the animation. The body does not change direction at all. When you're strafing left your model is essentially slightly walking backwards. Now imagine this in NS2, where you walk/run with 2.2 meters per second as a marine.
It would just look weird if you had the csgo sidestepping/backwards walking animation with the ns2 marine speed.
Overwatch has a slower turning animation, but it still looks kind of spastic when you tap A/D.
Seriously, try to reproduce it in first person and see if it looks the same. I've seen many a marine shuffle fast like that, but the animation for the legs have never looked that spastic.
I don't see this as big of an issue as marine legs disappearing from your view due to the jump animation and default FOV.
In CS:Go people running around like having a stick in the ass.
If you want a reference, take this:
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I fail to see the problem...
No it's really not a problem of the marine speed in NS2. It is very much alike, however I agree that CSGO animations are stiff (because made for slower headshot gameplay not because movement speed requires it).
A proper running animation doesn't trigger exactly when the player press the button, it starts after the model accelerated a certain speed.
A or D should be the "MOVE THERE" button not the "ACTIVATE ANIMATION BUTTON" otherwise it can be abused and as I said spamming A/D really fast is not worth a gameplay mechanic especially if it exploits broken animation to look random then it's basically 50/50 completely luck based, you want luck based in NS2? I don't
If you look at Overwatch which has the most recent and high budget animations out of the bunch, that's exactly what happens McCree keeps his normal walk cycle until a certain speed thershold activates the strafe animation like CSGO with fancier animations.
ok.. sure.. but.. it doesn't change the ability of skulk bites to connect, especially because the marine isn't really dodging by doing that, they're staying in the same place essentially?
So it's just an aesthetic issue imo.
And again, an adequate marine shuffle doesn't look anything like that.
I disagree with this only being an aesthetic issue. You do see some good strafers do that movement till you get close. I think going from a spastic movement into a more wider strafe is effective because it's hard to get a read on what the marine is doing.
I think it would be easier to know what you are looking at if the movement was smoother and could help aliens. If aliens can see movement clear, that could lead to them hitting a higher percentage of their bites. I think aliens missing is one the biggest issues with game-play right now. The bite cone is already really good for a skulk now, but it's hard to get the movement of the game down and a decent part of that could be the lack of smoothness of the marine animation. Yea, the game would probably look better too.
So he's just feinting? I don't see how changing the animation would fix that in any way, nor do I see how that's a problem.
It could make no difference. I just think it would be easier for aliens to predict marine movement if it looked smoother and it didn't look like good marines that know how to strafe are disappearing on them. I think aliens in this game need that kind of help and it would make the game look better. I say, why not?
This, it looks damn weird.
Because it requires work and the benefits are minimal.
Your turn, I already produced something after informing you of how to
I thought it wasn't about pragmatism, but more about "feel"...