NS2WC Rules Released, Open for Comment

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edited November 2013 in Competitive Play
Today, registration for the NS2WC opened (http://unknownworlds.com/ns2/ns2wc-registration-open/)

And the NS2WC launched (http://ns2wc.com)

As veteran, competitive players you will hopefully be happy to see that your feedback has been taken into account for the live event! The NS2WC team could use your experience and eye when it comes to the rules. This is a complex event, so they are long. But cast an eye down them, and see if you can see anything that will cause problems for competitive play. The original source is here. Here they are reproduced in full:

Natural Selection 2 World Championship 2013 Rules
1. Introduction
(a) The Natural Selection 2 (‘NS2’) World Championship (the ‘contest’) is organised by a committee (the ‘organiser’) formed of a representative of the NS2 community (the ‘community’) and a representative of Unknown Worlds Entertainment, Inc (‘UWE’).

(b) The organiser has authority over the operation, form, and all other aspects of the contest.

(c) The organiser may in exceptional circumstances make changes to all rules set forth herein at any time without warning or explanation if such a change is necessary for the good order and timely progress of the contest.

(d) In the unlikely event of a change per section 1(c) an announcement of that change shall be made via the web page http://twitter.com/ns2wc (‘twitter’).

(e) The organiser will appoint various individuals (‘admins’) from time to time throughout the contest to discharge various duties, including but not limited to administering brackets, refereeing matches, arbitrating disputes and other functions as may be necessary for the execution of the contest.

(f) The identity of admins appointed under section 1(e) will be made available on the web site http://ns2wc.com.

2. Eligibility for Entry
(a) The contest is open to entry by any team of any combination of players resident in any location in the world, subject to the various conditions throughout these rules.

3. Players and Teams
(a) Players must enter the contest as a member of only a single team.

(b) Players may not play as a member of a team other than the single team they entered the contest as a part of.

(c) Players must use only a single SteamID during the contest.

(d) A team must be at all times during the contest composed only of the players originally registered at the point of registration as the constituents of that team.

(e) In exceptional circumstances, the organiser may at its discretion permit a team to change its roster of registered players during the contest after a representation from that team as to why such a change is justified. For example, illness or incapacitation of a team member.

4. Registration for Participation
(a) Teams may register only via the form found at the web page http://www.ns2wc.com/?page_id=2059 (‘registration form’)

(b) A team must be registered wholly and fully in the first instance

(i) The effect of section 4(b) is that a team may not be registered piecemeal over several registration submissions

(c) The contest will have space for only twenty-eight teams.

(d) The first twenty-eight teams to sign up via the registration form will compete in the contest, subject to section 4(e).

(e) Teams that have ranking in the Premier and Division 1 divisions of the Natural Selection League found at http://www.ensl.org (the ‘NSL’) will receive priority eligibility for receiving a space in the contest.

(i) Only sixteen teams may receive priority eligibility under section 4(e)

(ii) Priority eligibility under section 4(e) will be awarded on a first come, first served basis

(iii) A team with NSL ranking that does not register before Thursday, November 28th 2013 forfeits their priority eligibility under section 4(e).

(f) Teams in excess of the twenty-eight spaces may register and possibly receive a space in the contest under section 4(g).

(g) Should a registered team be unable to assume their place in the contest and compete in a timely manner, their space will be awarded to waiting teams under section 4(f) in sign up order.

(h) Registration will open on Friday, November 22nd 2013 and close on Saturday, November 30th 2013.

5. Contest Format and Structure
(a) The contest will consistent of a sequence of stages, composed of matches, composed of games.

(i) A match is a sequence of games played between two teams

(ii) A game is a single instance of Natural Selection 2 play leading to the victory a either game faction.

(b)The contest will open with a Group Stage, played in Round Robin format.

(i) Within each group, each team will play once against every other team

(ii) Matches in the Group Stage are composed of four games

(iii) Winning a game in the Group Stage earns a team one point.

(iv) Each group is composed of seven teams (there are, therefore, four groups).

(v) Registered teams with a space in the contest will be seeded within groups as determined by the organiser, based on NSL Season 3 results and the results of previous NS2 tournaments.

(vi) If two teams complete the Group Stage with equal points, a tie breaker will be played

1. A tie breaker played under section 5(b)(vi) will be of a best-of-four-games format, and;

2. should the tie breaker proceed to two games won by each team, a final tie breaker in best-of-three format will be played.

(c) The two teams finishing with the first and second highest point scores in each of the four groups will qualify for the Winners Bracket

(i) The Winners Bracket will be comprised of best-of-seven-games matches

(ii) Teams that have qualified for the Winners Bracket will be drawn by the organiser into a single elimination bracket

(iii) Teams will only play a single match in the Winners Bracket

(iv) Teams that finished the Group Stage with the highest number of points in their group may choose either their starting faction or the map played for their Winners Bracket match.

(d) The four teams that win their Winners Bracket match will proceed to the Finals Series

(i) The Finals Series will be composed of semi-final and grand-final matches played in a single elimination bracket

(ii) The two semi-finals matches will be in a best-of-five-games format

(iii) The grand final match will be played in a best-of-seven-games format

(iv) The Finals Series will be played under special conditions, see part 6.

(v) The formats of the Finals Series matches are subject to change due to the live nature of their play, by registering for the contest teams acknowledge such change may occur.

(vi) The team that wins the Finals Series grand final match is the winner of the contest

(e) The two teams finishing with the third and fourth highest point scores in each of the four groups will qualify for the Horizon Bracket.

(i) The Horizon Bracket will be of a single-elimination format: quarter, semi, and final matches.

(ii) Quarter final matches will be of a best-of-five-games format

(iii) Semi final matches and the final match will be of a best-of-seven-games format

(iv) Teams that finished the Group Stage with the third highest number of points in their group may choose either their starting faction or the map played for the quarter final matches

6. Match Operations
(a) At the start of any match throughout the contest, an admin will flip a coin.

(i) The winner of the coin flip may choose either which faction they start as, or the map to be played

(ii) The loser of the coin flip may choose either which faction they start as, or the may be played: Whichever of the two was not chosen by the winner under section 6(a)(i)

(b) During a match, a map is played in sequence for two games before a new map is chosen.

(i) The team choosing which map is played alternates every two games.

(ii) A map may be played for a maximum of two games per match.

(c) During a match, teams will switch faction at the conclusion of each game.

(d) A team is late to a match if at the allotted start time that team does not have six players in the Ready Room of the match server.

(i) A team that is more than thirty minutes late to a match may receive a forfeit loss in that match at the discretion of the opposing team and subject to review by the organiser.

(ii) A team whose opponent in a particular match receives a forfeit loss will be awarded the maximum potential points of that match or proceed in their elimination bracket, as applicable by stage.

(e) If a team encounters a serious problem such as a player drop, technical failure or other incapacitation within the first thirty seconds of a game, they may call ‘Not Live’ or ‘NL’ via NS2 text-chat.

(f) When section 6(e) is invoked, the game will be reset after the team has had a reasonable amount of time to rectify the causal problem.

(g) When section 6(e) is invoked, the game must be reset to the spawn locations in effect before the invocation.

(h) After thirty seconds have passed, a game may not be reset and the winner will be defined by NS2 game logic except at the discretion of the organiser under exceptional circumstances.

(i) Once a game has begun, no player on any team may enter the Ready Room until the game has concluded, except in cases covered by part 7.

(i) In cases permitted by part 7, the time spent in the Ready Room must be as short as possible.

(j) All matches must be played on the version of NS2 live on the Steam platform at the time of play.

7. Substitution
(a) Teams may substitute up to two players between games, at all times subject to the terms of part 3.

(b) If a team suffers a player drop during a game, they may not substitute a new player to replace the dropped player, except in the case of section 6(e).

(c) A dropped player may rejoin the game in progress.

(d) At the conclusion of a game in which a player has dropped a team may introduce a substitute for that player for the remainder of the match and that player will not count towards the substitution maximum in section 7(a).

(e) Teams may substitute any number of players between matches.

(f) All substitutions under this section must be consistent with section 3.

8. Maps
(a) The maps to be played in the contest will be

(i) ns2_nsl_biodome (ModID: A8C04E7) by ObliviousSight

(ii) ns2_nsl_descent (ModID: 7d527cc) by Mendasp

(iii) ns2_nsl_jambi (ModID: 9d2eabc) by xtcmen

(iv) ns2_nsl_summit (ModID: 735cebc) by Mendasp

(v) ns2_nsl_tram (ModID: 7741098) by Mendasp

(vi) ns2_nsl_veil (ModID: 78ac3ed) by Mendasp

9. Servers
(a) Contest games will be played on servers approved and in some cases provided by the organiser (the ‘servers’)

(b) All reasonable efforts will be made to mitigate the effects of a high-ping-differential on participant players

(c) In certain high-ping-differential cases, including but not limited to intercontinental matches, servers may be ‘cycled’ each game, with the server at all times chosen to provide the team playing on the marine side with the more favourable ping

(d) Section 9(c) shall not apply to Horizon Bracket semi-final and final matches. During these matches, if there is a high-ping-differential, the server may be cycled every two games, with the server chosen to provide the team playing on the marine side with the more favourable ping for the first game.

(e) Intercontinental high-ping-differentials may where possible be mitigated through the use of an intermediary server location, rather than through an application of 9(c)

(f) Servers must run the version of NS2 live on the Steam platform at the time of a match.

(g)Servers must have the following mods installed:

(i) NSL Mod (ModID: a2ddae8)

(ii) No Close Spawn + Spectator Lights (ModID: 73ca53d)

(h) Server consistency checking json files must include:

{“restrict”: [ "lua/entry/*.entry" ],“check”: [ "game_setup.xml", "*.lua", "*.hlsl", "*.shader", "*.screenfx", "*.surface_shader", "*.fxh", "*.render_setup", "*.shader_template", "*.level", "*.dds", "*.jpg", "*.png", "*.cinematic", "*.material", "*.model", "*.animation_graph", "*.polygons", "*.fev", "*.fsb", "*.entry" ] “ignore”: [ "ui/crosshairs.dds", "ui/crosshairs-hit.dds", "ui/exosuit_HUD1.dds", "ui/exosuit_HUD4.dds", "ui/marine_minimap_blip.dds", "ui/minimap_blip.dds"]}

10. Communications
(a) All participant team captains (‘captains’) must provide a contact email address at registration, and must regularly check that address for contest updates from the organiser.

(b) The organiser and admins will only communicate with captains or a designated representative in their absence.

(c) All players may engage in good-natured heckling, banter, sledging and other such communication via text chat at all times during matches.

(d)Under no circumstances may communications referenced in 10(c) or any other communication be vulgar, sexual, expletive, racist, unsportsmanlike, or otherwise inappropriate in context of an audience of all ages and sensibilities or inconsistent with the values of contest sponsors.

(e) No player may at any time discuss the rules of the contest or express grievances with regard to contest organiser decisions in text-chat or game VOIP while a game is being live-streamed.

(i) The purpose of section 10(e) is not to stifle debate with regards to rules or tournament decisions but to direct those legitimate concerns to a more appropriate forum than a live stream.

11. Game Modifications and Sportsmanship
(a) No player may at any time use an ‘mod’ of any kind, to NS2 lua script or otherwise, except:

(i) Custom crosshairs

(ii) Custom HUD layouts

(iii) Transparent maps

(iv) Custom map colours

(v) Other mods that do not change game shaders, textures, models, gameplay logic, aim-assistance or otherwise grant unfair advantage

(vi) Custom alien vision is expressly prohibited

(b) Players may not cheat

(c) Players may not engage in unfriendly, unsportsmanlike, or other behaviour not in keeping with the ideals of good sportsmanship.

12. Permitted Strategies
(a) Where consistent with part 11 and excepting sections 12(b) and 12(c), players may use any and all tactics and strategies to win.

(b) Players may not

(i) Place structures in places where it is reasonably clear that the structure is out of the bounds of normal play on a map (For example, on top of wall geometry).

(ii) Use any macros, scripts, or other tools outside NS2 that confir unfair advantage.

(c) In the NS2 versions used during the contest, there are likely to be bugs and other code flaws capable of materially affecting gameplay outcomes and influencing gameplay in ways that are obvious to any reasonable player as being inappropriate. Players may not exploit such flaws.

13. Rule Enforcement
(a) The organiser may at their discretion apply penalties to players and teams that fail to abide by the rules set out herein and directives of the organiser and admins. These penalties will be proportionate and fair, and applied in the interest of maintaining fair play, a positive contest atmosphere, the reputation of sponsors and the integrity of the contest and NS2 for current and future players.

[PART TWO IN SECOND POST]
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  • HughHugh Cameraman San Francisco, CASuper Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2010-04-18 Member: 71444Posts: 1,779 admin
    14. Special Form of Finals Series
    (a) The Finals Series as defined in section 5(d) will be played live in the Arena studio at ESLTV in Cologne, Germany

    (b) Due to their live studio natures, matches played during the Finals Series will be subject to special rules and conditions that may change rapidly and with little notice

    (c) Players will be required to wear noise cancelling earmuffs provided to them during the Finals Series

    (d) Players must provide their own earphones to facilitate their play in the final

    (e) Players may provide their own mouse, keyboard, and mousepad to facilitate their play in the final

    (f) Players may bring minor NS2 modifications to the event on a USB stick, and install those modifications on Arena studio PCs.

    (i) Modifications must be minor and for the purpose of player comfort and are allowed at the discretion of the organiser.

    (ii) Examples of allowed modifications: Custom crosshairs, HUD element removal.

    (iii)Examples of disallowed modifications: Shader changes, texture swaps, model changes, game logic changes and any other modification violating section 11.

    (g) The organiser will provide travel and accommodation for players qualifying for the Finals Series (‘qualifying player(s)’)

    (i) For the purposes of the contest ‘travel and accommodation’ includes accommodation in Cologne, Germany for a time sufficient to allow rested participation in the Finals Series, and major transportation services necessary to transport the qualifying player from their place of residence to Cologne, Germany and return, and transportation between their accommodation in Cologne, Germany and the ESLTV studio, and excluding minor transportation services (for example, airport or railway transfers).

    (h) At its discretion the organiser may not provide travel and accommodation expenses to a qualifying player if the total cost of transporting and accommodating that player exceeds two thousand, five hundred United States Dollars.

    (i) The purpose of section 14(h) is to preserve the capacity of the organiser to provide accommodation and transportation for all qualifying players.

    (ii) Should a qualifying player’s cost of transportation and accommodation exceed that threshold stated in section 14(h) an arrangement for partial provision of transportation and accommodation may be negotiated at the discretion of the organiser.

    (i) The organiser will only provide travel and accommodation for the six players on a team that has qualified for the Finals Series.

    (i) Teams may bring in excess of six qualifying players to the Finals Series, however those teams will be responsible for the travel and accommodation of those excess players.

    (j) Should the total cost of providing travel and accommodation to all qualifying players exceed forty thousand United States Dollars the organiser may at their discretion reduce the scope of the Finals Series, including revoking the provision of travel and accommodation to a proportion of qualifying players.

    (i) The purpose of section 14(j) is to preserve the capacity of the organiser to hold the contest within the resources available to it.

    (k) Qualifying players are responsible for their own expenses incurred in the course of their attendance of the Finals Series. Qualifying players should consider the potential cost of food, airport/railway transfers, and other elements when deciding to register for the contest.

    15. Timing
    (a) The group stage is scheduled to start on Saturday, December 7th 2013 and end on Friday, December 20th 2013.

    (b) The Winners Bracket will be played on the weekend of December 28th, 2013.

    (b) The Horizon Quarter Finals will be played on the weekend of January 4th, 2014

    (d) The Horizon Semi-Finals and Final will be played on the weekend of January 11th, 2014.

    (e) The Finals Series will be played on Saturday, February 22nd 2014 at a time to be determined.

    16. Prizing
    (a) Throughout the course of the contest, the organiser may announce prizes applicable to various stages. The form, terms and conditions of those prizes will be detailed if and when they are announced, and the organiser does not guarantee the provision of any prizes to any player or team.

    17. Dispute Resolution
    (a) A team that wishes to dispute a decision taken in the course of the contest should open a forum thread on the web page at http://forums.unknownworlds.com/categories/competitive-play, prefixing the title with ‘[NS2WC-Dispute]’

    (i) The thread should as fully as possible explain the facts of the situation and the reasoning behind the dispute.

    (ii) The organiser will respond and attempt to resolve any dispute to the satisfaction of all parties in a timely manner.

    (b) Should a matter be inappropriate for the public eye, (for example, financial matters related to section 14, allegations of serious breaches of section 11), teams and players may contact the organiser directly as per section 18.

    18. Communication with the organiser
    (a) Players and teams may at all times communicate with the organiser through the mechanisms provided on the web page http://www.ns2wc.com/?page_id=14
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  • ComproxComprox *chortle* CanadaMembers, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-01-23 Member: 7Posts: 6,616 admin
    Moved to the correct forum. Silly Hugh.
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  • xDragonxDragon Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2012-04-04 Member: 149948Posts: 1,954 Fully active user
    Dont need No Close Spawn + Spectator Lights (ModID: 73ca53d) with NSL mod.

    LMK if you need any modifications for finals, or want me to explain any of the cmds for scores/teamnames/whatever.
  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Members, Reinforced - Supporter Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Posts: 3,432 Advanced user
    Hopefully my team gets active enough I can actually enter this.

    Should be good regardless.
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  • ZeframZefram Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts, Retired Community Developer Join Date: 2004-05-11 Member: 28611Posts: 283 mod
    edited November 2013
    xDragon wrote: »
    Dont need No Close Spawn + Spectator Lights (ModID: 73ca53d) with NSL mod.

    LMK if you need any modifications for finals, or want me to explain any of the cmds for scores/teamnames/whatever.

    Thanks, Dragon. We'll keep in touch. That was just vestigial from a rule rewrite and has been corrected.
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  • MendaspMendasp I touch maps in inappropriate places Valencia, SpainMembers, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Retired Community Developer Join Date: 2002-07-05 Member: 884Posts: 4,177 Advanced user
    Zefram wrote: »
    xDragon wrote: »
    Dont need No Close Spawn + Spectator Lights (ModID: 73ca53d) with NSL mod.

    LMK if you need any modifications for finals, or want me to explain any of the cmds for scores/teamnames/whatever.

    Thanks, Dragon. We'll keep in touch. That was just vestigial from a rule rewrite and has been corrected.
    Love the correction.
  • ForlornHopeForlornHope Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18675Posts: 226 Fully active user
    I thought that too. I'm trying to find a WC team and so checked the dates and I'm not home from Xmas day to new year meaning I'd have to take my PC on an 8 hour drive to play the match around then.
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  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call?Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Posts: 3,191 Fully active user
    Hugh wrote: »
    10. Communications

    (c) All players may engage in good-natured heckling, banter, sledging and other such communication via text chat at all times during matches.

    (d)Under no circumstances may communications referenced in 10(c) or any other communication be vulgar, sexual, expletive, racist, unsportsmanlike, or otherwise inappropriate in context of an audience of all ages and sensibilities or inconsistent with the values of contest sponsors.

    I would argue that most banter and ALL 'sledging' is unsportsmanlike. Without definitions of the terms used in these sections, rules 10c and 10d are rather ambiguous and are potentially not coherent.

    However, the NSL admins are in my experience very good at cutting out unwarranted chatter between teams. I would rather see this section reworded something like this:
    10. Communications

    (c) Players are permitted to engage in good-natured VOIP or text chat at all times during matches. Disparaging or aggressive communications are expressly prohibited. Any request from the match admin regarding VOIP or text chat communications must be adhered to.

    (d) Under no circumstances may communications referenced in 10(c) or any other communication be vulgar, sexual, expletive, racist, unsportsmanlike, or otherwise inappropriate in context of an audience of all ages and sensibilities or inconsistent with the values of contest sponsors.

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  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Members, Reinforced - Supporter Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Posts: 3,432 Advanced user
    @Roobubba Shit talking is very important! As long as it's not happening mid game.
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  • rantologyrantology Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143750Posts: 1,493 Advanced user
    fanatic wrote: »
    Seems like reasonable rules, my only issue is with 15. Timing. Having a portion of the tournament in the middle of Christmas when many players and spectators go on vacation, and may not even have access to a computer capable of playing the game, is very ill-advised.

    Can't emphasize this post enough. Personally I won't be here for 2 weeks in December, and I think most teams will have a very hard time maintaining their roster during the holiday.
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  • ForlornHopeForlornHope Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18675Posts: 226 Fully active user
    I reckon the event will suffer for the timing. It would make more sense to hold this peak NS2 event at more peak time of year.
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  • JektJekt Members, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2012-02-05 Member: 143714Posts: 1,543 Advanced user
    edited November 2013
    Disaster timings.
    and the organiser does not guarantee the provision of any prizes to any player or team.

    .. what
    (h) At its discretion the organiser may not provide travel and accommodation expenses to a qualifying player if the total cost of transporting and accommodating that player exceeds two thousand, five hundred United States Dollars.

    eh.
    (ii) Examples of allowed modifications: Custom crosshairs, HUD element removal.

    Custom HUDs aren't possible with the provided consistency checking. CHud would need to be added to the mods list (remove NSL Spec Lights btw) to faciliate HUD modification / particle windscreen wipers.
  • BacillusBacillus Members Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58241Posts: 2,774 Advanced user
    edited November 2013
    fanatic wrote: »
    Seems like reasonable rules, my only issue is with 15. Timing. Having a portion of the tournament in the middle of Christmas when many players and spectators go on vacation, and may not even have access to a computer capable of playing the game, is very ill-advised.
    In addition to things mentioned, some teams seem to be forming, reforming or shuffling their rosters now. When you combine this with pretty tight rules and deadline with registering and maintaining rosters, teams may find it even harder to find a stable lineup that remains active throughout and past the christmas season.

    In general I very much like the idea of solid rosters, it provides some stability both to teams and spectators. I just don't know if it's too much to ask at this point, at least from the teams that are building up their roster right now.

    Edit: Also, there seems to be some differences in the rules pasted here and the rules on the NSWC site. At least the 'Not live' rule has 30 second limit here, 2 minutes on the site.
  • SebSeb Melbourne, AUMembers, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, WC 2013 - Silver, Retired Community Developer Join Date: 2013-04-01 Member: 184576Posts: 515 mod
    Jekt wrote: »
    and the organiser does not guarantee the provision of any prizes to any player or team.

    .. what
    (h) At its discretion the organiser may not provide travel and accommodation expenses to a qualifying player if the total cost of transporting and accommodating that player exceeds two thousand, five hundred United States Dollars.

    eh.

    They are just covering their asses in case anything goes wrong. Perfectly fine.
  • Ghosthree3Ghosthree3 Members, Reinforced - Supporter Join Date: 2010-02-13 Member: 70557Posts: 3,432 Advanced user
    Jekt wrote: »
    (h) At its discretion the organiser may not provide travel and accommodation expenses to a qualifying player if the total cost of transporting and accommodating that player exceeds two thousand, five hundred United States Dollars.

    This just means australian teams can't compete.
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  • BacillusBacillus Members Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58241Posts: 2,774 Advanced user
    Jekt wrote: »
    and the organiser does not guarantee the provision of any prizes to any player or team.

    .. what
    (h) At its discretion the organiser may not provide travel and accommodation expenses to a qualifying player if the total cost of transporting and accommodating that player exceeds two thousand, five hundred United States Dollars.

    eh.

    They are just covering their asses in case anything goes wrong. Perfectly fine.

    I'm not sure if there's something more to the legal side of things or so, but I feel once the prizes are officially announced, they really should be guaranteed also. Meanwhile the actual announcement (if any) isn't in any hurry at this point.
  • SebSeb Melbourne, AUMembers, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, WC 2013 - Silver, Retired Community Developer Join Date: 2013-04-01 Member: 184576Posts: 515 mod
    Ghosthree3 wrote: »
    Jekt wrote: »
    (h) At its discretion the organiser may not provide travel and accommodation expenses to a qualifying player if the total cost of transporting and accommodating that player exceeds two thousand, five hundred United States Dollars.

    This just means australian teams can't compete.

    nahhhh, its not 2500 for an aussie to go to Germany with accommodation for a couple days/weekend.
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    xDragon wrote: »
    Dont need No Close Spawn + Spectator Lights (ModID: 73ca53d) with NSL mod.

    LMK if you need any modifications for finals, or want me to explain any of the cmds for scores/teamnames/whatever.

    Thanks mate, this is good to know. I see Zefram has changed it.
    Roobubba wrote: »
    I would argue that most banter and ALL 'sledging' is unsportsmanlike. Without definitions of the terms used in these sections, rules 10c and 10d are rather ambiguous and are potentially not coherent.

    Watch some cricket - Sledging is not necessarily an unsportsmanlike thing. It can be a gentlemanly, good natured teasing thing. E.g Strayan insta gibs Fana Fade with Railgun. Strayan jumps in the text chat 'Fana mate I owned you.' < Sledging, all good!
    fanatic wrote: »
    Seems like reasonable rules, my only issue is with 15. Timing.

    Very valid. Timing is a real poop with this tourney. Unfortunately there are rocks and hard places, and timing most probably cannot be changed :(
    Ghosthree3 wrote: »
    (h) At its discretion the organiser may not provide travel and accommodation expenses to a qualifying player if the total cost of transporting and accommodating that player exceeds two thousand, five hundred United States Dollars.

    This just means australian teams can't compete.

    This is absolutely, utterly not correct and Australian teams can compete in the NS2WC. The operative word is 'may' and such a limitation will only be exercised in the most extreme of circumstances. Australian players will in all but the cases of the most regional towns cost less than USD2,500 to transport to Cologne. The hypothetical exceptional player coming from Port Hedland costing more than USD2,500 will not necessarily be denied travel and accommodation, but the option must be preserved in case such an exceptional player risks the ability of the organiser to make the tournament happen at all. Further 14(h)(ii) clearly states that in such a case, that player will be negotiated with and an arrangement could be come to.

    And Australian players won't just be able to compete - They are going to win!
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  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call?Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Posts: 3,191 Fully active user
    @Hugh the reason I suggest that change is that this is all public, obvious and clear in the text from casters for all to see. The sledging in the Ashes can be brutal, but (at least here in the uk) it isn't broadcast at all. We hear about it years after the event in interviews (<3 merv!), but it is not public.

    Anything said in text chat, especially during the game, will be read by every single viewer.
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  • GoldenGolden Members, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Silver, NS2 Community Developer Join Date: 2004-09-01 Member: 31169Posts: 426 Advanced user
    fanatic wrote: »
    Seems like reasonable rules, my only issue is with 15. Timing. Having a portion of the tournament in the middle of Christmas when many players and spectators go on vacation, and may not even have access to a computer capable of playing the game, is very ill-advised.

    I believe most of these games can be rescheduled within reason. Because of the date they got for the finals, we're in a slight time crunch to get the qualifiers done. Will the viewership suffer? Probably. Hopefully, however, the teams can work together to get the games played.
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    Martone421 wrote: »
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  • SolarisSolaris Members Join Date: 2003-05-11 Member: 16213Posts: 185
    (e) Teams that have ranking in the Premier and Division 1 divisions of the Natural Selection League found at http://www.ensl.org (the ‘NSL’) will receive priority eligibility for receiving a space in the contest.
    Not sure how I think about this. One the one hand I can completely understand you want to have the top teams duking it out, it's a world championship after all. But to me it seems to go against what the tournament was announced to be: For everyone. For the whole community. There was quite a lot of talk about how people should form teams and compete, get players into competitive NS2, even if they won't make it to the finals. The initial announcement was heavily criticized for "claiming to be for all NS2 players, but actually just catering to the few competitive teams that are dominating right now anyway". This rule section will feel like confirmation of the criticism to some, and I can't blame them. Teams that are highly active in the NS2 competitive scene have the NS2WC on their radar, they don't have to register a team, etc. I think it's fair to assume they already have a head start. Removing this particular rule section would be a good gesture to show critics that the NS2WC is what you advertise it is.
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  • RoobubbaRoobubba Who you gonna call?Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow Join Date: 2003-01-06 Member: 11930Posts: 3,191 Fully active user
    Solaris wrote: »
    (e) Teams that have ranking in the Premier and Division 1 divisions of the Natural Selection League found at http://www.ensl.org (the ‘NSL’) will receive priority eligibility for receiving a space in the contest.
    Not sure how I think about this. One the one hand I can completely understand you want to have the top teams duking it out, it's a world championship after all. But to me it seems to go against what the tournament was announced to be: For everyone. For the whole community. There was quite a lot of talk about how people should form teams and compete, get players into competitive NS2, even if they won't make it to the finals. The initial announcement was heavily criticized for "claiming to be for all NS2 players, but actually just catering to the few competitive teams that are dominating right now anyway". This rule section will feel like confirmation of the criticism to some, and I can't blame them. Teams that are highly active in the NS2 competitive scene have the NS2WC on their radar, they don't have to register a team, etc. I think it's fair to assume they already have a head start. Removing this particular rule section would be a good gesture to show critics that the NS2WC is what you advertise it is.

    Look none of us in the lower divisions is under any illusion: as well as sometimes we can play, we are HIGHLY unlikely to take matches off Premiere Div/Div 1 teams, therefore we're very very very unlikely to make it to the finals. As much as it's encouraged to get everyone involved in this, we have to be realistic and see that there are perhaps 6-7 teams who *could* make it to the finals (with a smaller number considerably more likely to achieve that). As far as I understand it, this rule protects against a possible mass-signup with a view to dropping out more of the higher div teams purely by saturating the 28-team limit as early as possible.
    Granted, that's almost certainly not going to happen...
    The other part of this argument is that the rule protects at least a few slots for top teams to be present so there isn't a dearth of high end talent, leading to totally boring 1-sided matches because one team is simply not challenged.
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    edited November 2013
  • wirywiry Members Join Date: 2009-05-25 Member: 67479Posts: 507 Advanced user
    Fix the dates please. They're horrible.
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  • HivelordHivelord Members, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17567Posts: 140 Fully active user
    How can you expect players to be available around new years. Why not just wait a few weeks into Jan/Feb so that much more people are available? Extremely disappointed.
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    Hugh wrote: »
    fanatic wrote: »
    Seems like reasonable rules, my only issue is with 15. Timing.

    Very valid. Timing is a real poop with this tourney. Unfortunately there are rocks and hard places, and timing most probably cannot be changed :(

    It's kind of weird that when setting this up, knowing it was pretty much your last chance to have a successful world event and perhaps get recognition for the game, that you didn't even consider that as big enough of an issue to change it. If this isn't successful because of the lack of players available you're pretty much screwed forever, nvidia/intel will not sponser you again.
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