Possible 120+fps?

CurveCurve Join Date: 2003-12-17 Member: 24475Members, Reinforced - Shadow
Is there any thing else I can do to achieve more FPS? I have a 120hz screen that I like to make the most of.

Any help is really appreciated :)

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  • AurOn2AurOn2 COOKIES! FREEDOM, AND BISCUITS! Australia Join Date: 2012-01-13 Member: 140224Members, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Forum staff
    you could drop your resolution but that's obviously not what you want.
  • GamerkatzeGamerkatze Join Date: 2012-06-27 Member: 153711Members
    edited February 2013
    oc the living shit out of your cpu :D
    seriously thats the only thing that helps ...

    ps since you are already at 4.5 i dont think there is anything left for you to do since gpu isnt really the problem in this game.
    you could however turn some of the extra options off (like occlusion, shadow, anti aliasing etc)
  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2013
    Curve wrote: »
    Is there any thing else I can do to achieve more FPS? I have a 120hz screen that I like to make the most of.

    Any help is really appreciated :)

    XrK0jYzs.jpg

    EDIT: Sorry, I didn't see your attached picture. No, there isn't much else you can do.

    Turn Bloom Off.
    Turn Atmospherics Off.
    Turn Ambient Occlusion Off, or to Medium if you prefer a little bit of beauty. ;)

    These strain your system the most, in my experience. I have a similar setup. i7 2600k + GTX 480. What do you normally get in game? I average about 70 on a loaded server with Bloom and Atmospherics off and Ambient Occlusion set to Medium. I could easily average 80 with Ambient Occlusion off.

    As for everyone who keeps screaming "overclock," I have news for them. I have my i7 2600k at 4.6Ghz. I have tried 4.7 and 4.8Ghz with absolutely no improvement in performance. Furthermore, my GPU is NOT the bottleneck. I can see from my usage charts that the CPU is just way overloaded. The fact of the matter is that the game still needs optimization. Therefore, and in conclusion, don't bother burnin' up your CPU by pushing her too far. 100-200 Mhz doesn't seem to make a big difference past 4.5Ghz in my experience. At least, that is true for Sandy Bridge. I don't have hands-on experience with Ivy yet.

    Hope this info helps.

    Cheers,
    Cody

    EDIT #2: To be honest, I am pretty shocked that you aren't getting higher FPS than me. Your GPU is comparable, and your CPU is newer, even if it is an i5 rather than an i7. But NS2 isn't optimized for multiple cores or hyperthreading to my knowledge, so I have heard that the i5 can sometimes outperform the i7 in single-core and unthreaded games and apps.

    Anyway, I have over 160 FPS on the menu screen with your same settings. I'm not sure how that is possible.

    Pic: http://www.codyraymiller.com/PERSONAL/160fps-ns2.bmp

    Sorry, it's uncompressed, cause I'm lazy. :/
  • CurveCurve Join Date: 2003-12-17 Member: 24475Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    I guess I'm going to see if I can push the OC higher.

    Cheers people :)
  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2013
    Curve wrote: »
    I guess I'm going to see if I can push the OC higher.

    Cheers people :)

    Try 4.6Ghz. I don't know what kind of cooler you have but if it is a good one you won't have any issues. I have a Hyper 212+ (so, air cooling) and I can hit 4.6ghz EASY with a vcore of about 1.360 max and load temps never exceeding 70c. That's full load, Prime95. In NS2 my temps stay in the low to mid 60s and the vcore usually doesn't exceed 1.352.

    Just don't go too high, and be sure to use apps like CPU-Z, RealTemp, and HWMonitor to keep an eye on your system vitals.

    Also, here's how I normally play, and I get ~80 FPS on the menu screen. http://www.codyraymiller.com/PERSONAL/usual-settings-ns2.bmp

    Cheers,
    Cody

  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    There are a few options you can try that may squeeze a few more fps out of your system
    - Set the priority of NS2.exe to high (easiest way is by opening the taskmanager while NS2 is running, right-click on NS2.exe in the processes tab, and Set Priority -> High)
    - Disable EIST and C1E in your bios (i.e. your CPU will run at full clockspeed at all times)
  • UnderwhelmedUnderwhelmed DemoDetective #?! Join Date: 2006-09-19 Member: 58026Members, Constellation
    DarkATi wrote: »
    Try 4.6Ghz. I don't know what kind of cooler you have but if it is a good one you won't have any issues. I have a Hyper 212+ (so, air cooling) and I can hit 4.6ghz EASY with a vcore of about 3.60 max and load temps never exceeding 70c. That's full load, Prime95. In NS2 my temps stay in the low to mid 60s and the vcore usually doesn't exceed 3.52.

    Just don't go too high, and be sure to use apps like CPU-Z, RealTemp, and HWMonitor to keep an eye on your system vitals.

    Also, here's how I normally play, and I get ~80 FPS on the menu screen. http://www.codyraymiller.com/PERSONAL/usual-settings-ns2.bmp

    Cheers,
    Cody
    ...you have your vcore at 3.6 volts?!
  • dragonmithdragonmith Join Date: 2013-02-04 Member: 182817Members, Reinforced - Diamond
    I can only dream...
  • frallan123frallan123 Join Date: 2012-05-12 Member: 151962Members
    What screen did you get? If you have a BenQ or the new Asus 144hz you can use lightboost hack, it improves the smoothness in NS2 alot. I do manage to get 100-160fps in the start of rounds but droping to 60-80 in end games. You should have over 120fps with that rig in the start but never in the mid/endgame, its impossible to keep 120fps.
  • derWalterderWalter Join Date: 2008-10-29 Member: 65323Members
    edited February 2013
    with 3770k at 5ghz, ram @2400mhz, gtx 660ti i get often locked at 200fps. never drops beneath 80fps.
  • YMICrazyYMICrazy Join Date: 2012-11-02 Member: 165986Members
    edited February 2013
    derWalter wrote: »
    with 3770k at 5ghz, ram @2400mhz, gtx 660ti i get often locked at 200fps. never drops beneath 80fps.

    Would you mind benchmarking that? I also wanted to see a 5 Ghz graph

    http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/127867/benchmark-demo-thread/p1

    On topic: Why not OC the video card? At the menu screen the gpu is the bottleneck.
  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2013
    DarkATi wrote: »
    Try 4.6Ghz. I don't know what kind of cooler you have but if it is a good one you won't have any issues. I have a Hyper 212+ (so, air cooling) and I can hit 4.6ghz EASY with a vcore of about 3.60 max and load temps never exceeding 70c. That's full load, Prime95. In NS2 my temps stay in the low to mid 60s and the vcore usually doesn't exceed 3.52.

    Just don't go too high, and be sure to use apps like CPU-Z, RealTemp, and HWMonitor to keep an eye on your system vitals.

    Also, here's how I normally play, and I get ~80 FPS on the menu screen. http://www.codyraymiller.com/PERSONAL/usual-settings-ns2.bmp

    Cheers,
    Cody
    ...you have your vcore at 3.6 volts?!

    No. I'm a moron, and meant 1.360 volts, not 3.6 volts.

    My CPU does not run at 1.36 volts continuously. My overclock is set up so that the processor can downclock to 1.6Ghz when not in use. My vcore is 0.952 volts @ 1.6Ghz, browsing the web, etc. When I slam the processor (like playing NS2) it shoots up to 1.352/1.360 volts and 4.6Ghz.

    There is always lively discussion about what is safe for a processor and all processors are different, but 1.360 volts is generally considered to be safe for Sandy Bridge. 1.4 volts is pushing it, although some swear that 1.520 volts is possible without any degradation of the processor whatsoever. I doubt this is true, but if you're interested you can view a discussion about it from Tom's Hardware here: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/272753-29-safe-maximum-vcore-2600k-again-again

    Attached is a pic of my processor idling.

    Cheers,
    Cody
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    edited February 2013
    DarkATi wrote: »
    When I slam the processor (like playing NS2) it shoots up to 3.5/3.6 volts and 4.6Ghz.
    Pics or it didn't happen.

    I'm fairly certain that 3.5/3.6 vcore will instantly kill your processor, since a liquid nitrogen cooled 3770k @7GHz doesn't even break 2.0 vcore.

  • SanCoSanCo Join Date: 2012-08-18 Member: 155744Members
    ScardyBob wrote: »
    DarkATi wrote: »
    When I slam the processor (like playing NS2) it shoots up to 3.5/3.6 volts and 4.6Ghz.
    Pics or it didn't happen.

    I'm fairly certain that 3.5/3.6 vcore will instantly kill your processor, since a liquid nitrogen cooled 3770k @7GHz[/img] doesn't even break 2.0 vcore.

    The article he linked to mention 1.36 vcore, so he probably mean that, how he can constantly make a typo of 3.6 in different post is beyond me however.
  • Mattk50Mattk50 Join Date: 2013-02-04 Member: 182824Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    my gtx 580 and i7920@4ghz has the graphics card as the bottleneck. Im surprised more people have a cpu bottleneck, i expected the opposite.
  • frallan123frallan123 Join Date: 2012-05-12 Member: 151962Members
    Mattk50 wrote: »
    my gtx 580 and i7920@4ghz has the graphics card as the bottleneck. Im surprised more people have a cpu bottleneck, i expected the opposite.

    Your GTX580 shouldnt bottleneck for this game, maybe depends on what graphic settings you're using. My friend have same GPU and a i5 2500k instead non clocked and he dont have any gpu problem in NS2 only CPU.

  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    ScardyBob wrote: »
    DarkATi wrote: »
    When I slam the processor (like playing NS2) it shoots up to 3.5/3.6 volts and 4.6Ghz.
    Pics or it didn't happen.

    I'm fairly certain that 3.5/3.6 vcore will instantly kill your processor, since a liquid nitrogen cooled 3770k @7GHz doesn't even break 2.0 vcore.

    Yeah, sorry, I promise I wasn't smoking crack the other day, but I have no idea why I made that typo over and over again. I meant 1.36 volts, NOT 3.6 volts.

    Cheers,
    Cody
  • Rich_Rich_ Join Date: 2012-11-05 Member: 167152Members
    go to nvidia control panel if u got nvidia card, go to 3d settings, go to applications and open ns2 exe in there, make sure it has physx set to yoru video card i got an extra 5 fps from it
  • IronsoulIronsoul Join Date: 2011-03-12 Member: 86048Members
    The reason the cpu is the bottleneck is because for some unknown reason, unless you get 120+fps, you're disadvantaged in the game. I have played at 140fps, it's another experience, I can actually wall jump for example. Anyway, yes, gpus will hold fps at about 70 for the very high end ones (7970 for example) but the cpu holds the fps below the mythical 120 fps which I have no deemed "playable". I used to believe it was 50fps, then 35 fps... well, now I think it's 120fps.
  • IronHorseIronHorse Developer, QA Manager, Technical Support & contributor Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71669Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Subnautica Playtester, Subnautica PT Lead, Pistachionauts
    Mattk50 wrote: »
    my gtx 580 and i7920@4ghz has the graphics card as the bottleneck. Im surprised more people have a cpu bottleneck, i expected the opposite.
    I have your exact specs and CPU is by far my bottleneck.
    You should ensure everything is operating as intended for you, check nvidia control panel, and ensure speedstep is off in your bios etc etc. double check with cpu-z

  • 0ni0ni Join Date: 2012-08-30 Member: 156991Members
    Well, you could always do a rebuild, my understanding is that the AMD 8350 can cold start at cryogenic tempuratures.
    You'd need to contact someone like these guys and see what they charge. They could probably also point you in the right direction for getting a custom high pressure block made. With that setup you should be able to get up to 8 ghtz stable.

    It might be cheaper to buy a game studio and have them make you NS3 though. :/

    One should also note I have no idea what I'm talking about really but from what I've read it IS possible. :p
  • CurveCurve Join Date: 2003-12-17 Member: 24475Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Shame, I don't really fancy taking CPU much higher.

    Life goes on
  • suttysutty Join Date: 2010-08-01 Member: 73403Members
    edited February 2013
    Going to add my little bit to this, I currently don't think you can!

    I have 2xGTX680's @ 1280/7000 with an i7 2700k @ 5.2 Ghz all under water.

    I dip into the 80s late game on bigger servers, this is at 1080p (which is the max reso for the monitor I play fps games on)

    The NSL maps on the other hand, which I've only played 6v6 do allow me to maintain a much higher fps.
  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    sutty wrote: »
    Going to add my little bit to this, I currently don't think you can!

    I have 2xGTX680's @ 1280/7000 with an i7 2700k @ 5.2 Ghz all under water.

    I dip into the 80s late game on bigger servers, this is at 1080p (which is the max reso for the monitor I play fps games on)

    The NSL maps on the other hand, which I've only played 6v6 do allow me to maintain a much higher fps.

    That is a monster setup! My word! Just out of curiosity, would you mind adjusting your settings to the OP's and taking a screenshot of your FPS just on the menu screen like he has done? I'd love to see how many frames you get.

    Cheers,
    Cody
  • suttysutty Join Date: 2010-08-01 Member: 73403Members
    urm ok, but I pretty much always get 200 fps in the menu / rr, see attached -

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    btw op, do you have a lightburst2 120hz monitor?

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1339384/zero-motion-blur-lcd-nvidia-lightboost2-hack-looks-like-crt-looks-like-480hz/380
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    sutty wrote: »
    urm ok, but I pretty much always get 200 fps in the menu / rr, see attached -

    btw op, do you have a lightburst2 120hz monitor?

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1339384/zero-motion-blur-lcd-nvidia-lightboost2-hack-looks-like-crt-looks-like-480hz/380
    Menu fps is fairly uninformative. What I'd really like to see is a benchmark of the demo in this thread on your system: http://forums.unknownworlds.com/discussion/127867/benchmark-demo-thread
  • CurveCurve Join Date: 2003-12-17 Member: 24475Members, Reinforced - Shadow
  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2013
    sutty wrote: »
    urm ok, but I pretty much always get 200 fps in the menu / rr, see attached -

    btw op, do you have a lightburst2 120hz monitor?

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1339384/zero-motion-blur-lcd-nvidia-lightboost2-hack-looks-like-crt-looks-like-480hz/380

    I guess I didn't know NS2 was limited to 200 FPS. Few systems ever reach 200 FPS... I can only get 160 on the menu. Anyway, is there any way to unlimit the FPS? In console perhaps? I know it can be done in source (fps_max).

    Cheers,
    Cody
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    DarkATi wrote: »
    sutty wrote: »
    urm ok, but I pretty much always get 200 fps in the menu / rr, see attached -

    btw op, do you have a lightburst2 120hz monitor?

    http://www.overclock.net/t/1339384/zero-motion-blur-lcd-nvidia-lightboost2-hack-looks-like-crt-looks-like-480hz/380

    I guess I didn't know NS2 was limited to 200 FPS. Few systems ever reach 200 FPS... I can only get 160 on the menu. Anyway, is there any way to unlimit the FPS? In console perhaps? I know it can be done in source (fps_max).

    Cheers,
    Cody
    Not over the 200fps limit as that's hardcoded in the engine. However, you can limit it to any value less than 200fps using the max_fps command in the console.

  • DarkATiDarkATi Revelation 22:17 Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17532Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited February 2013
    I guess I didn't know NS2 was limited to 200 FPS. Few systems ever reach 200 FPS... I can only get 160 on the menu. Anyway, is there any way to unlimit the FPS? In console perhaps? I know it can be done in source (fps_max).

    Cheers,
    Cody
    Not over the 200fps limit as that's hardcoded in the engine. However, you can limit it to any value less than 200fps using the max_fps command in the console.

    Hardcoded into the engine? Why? I guess I do not understand what the purpose of such a hardcoded limit would be.

    Cheers,
    Cody

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