HD 5870 or 2x HD 5770 for NS2?

hit321hit321 Join Date: 2007-11-17 Member: 62942Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
edited November 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
I already have one HD 5770, and I'm planing make a crossfire of it or buy a 5870.
Will be a lot more cheap with CX, but I know that in many times the HD 5870 is equal or better than a CX of HD 5770.

What do you think about this GPUs config for NS2?

CX works fine on NS2?

Comments

  • DavilDavil Florida, USA Join Date: 2012-08-14 Member: 155602Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=2030568:date=Nov 20 2012, 03:41 PM:name=hit321)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hit321 @ Nov 20 2012, 03:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030568"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I already have one HD 5770, and I'm planing make a crossfire of it or buy a 5870.
    Will be a lot more cheap with CX, but I know that in many times the HD 5870 is equal or better than a CX of HD 5770.

    What do you think about this GPUs config for NS2?

    CX works fine on NS2?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Not particularly sure about crossfire, I do know that there are beta drivers out from Nvidia that make SLI work fairly well. You'd have to check the AMD site to see if they have any updates or other beta drivers.

    On a separate note, I'd look into switching over to Nvidia cards. I used to be a big ATI supporter but Nvidia just makes a much better product now and I don't have nearly as many issues as I did with ATI.
  • GenomaxterGenomaxter Join Date: 2003-10-11 Member: 21597Members
    No such thing as ATI anymore. It's AMD.
  • DavilDavil Florida, USA Join Date: 2012-08-14 Member: 155602Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=2030574:date=Nov 20 2012, 03:46 PM:name=Genomaxter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Genomaxter @ Nov 20 2012, 03:46 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030574"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No such thing as ATI anymore. It's AMD.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yea I know, I actually did say check the AMD website for drivers. There are some for sale that are still referred to as ATI though. For example <a href="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/guidedSearch.asp?CatId=28&name=Video-Cards&cm_sp=Masthead-_-Computer%20Parts-_-Spot%2017" target="_blank">Here</a>.

    If you check the filter under chipset, ATI is an option. And I haven't bought a card from them since 2009 so I'm technically correct.
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    edited November 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2030572:date=Nov 20 2012, 10:44 PM:name=Davil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Davil @ Nov 20 2012, 10:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030572"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Not particularly sure about crossfire, I do know that there are beta drivers out from Nvidia that make SLI work fairly well. You'd have to check the AMD site to see if they have any updates or other beta drivers.

    On a separate note, I'd look into switching over to Nvidia cards. I used to be a big ATI supporter but Nvidia just makes a much better product now and I don't have nearly as many issues as I did with ATI.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    ATI/AMD cards have never let me down.

    my only nvidia card was a 6800 GT and it was DoA.

    additionally, nvidia just seem a lot more expensive for similar performance... take the hd7950 vs 660 ti for example.
  • hit321hit321 Join Date: 2007-11-17 Member: 62942Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    So, can you guys try discuss my issue now? :)

    I forgot to tell that I have a motherboard with x2 PCI-e 16x
  • DavilDavil Florida, USA Join Date: 2012-08-14 Member: 155602Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=2030587:date=Nov 20 2012, 03:56 PM:name=tarquinbb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tarquinbb @ Nov 20 2012, 03:56 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030587"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->ATI/AMD cards have never let me down.

    my only nvidia card was a 6800 GT and it was DoA.

    additionally, nvidia just seem a lot more expensive for similar performance... take the hd7950 vs 660 ti for example.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You just compared 2 completely different levels of video cards. Ti models are the types of cards you will find at like a bestbuy or walmart. They're not meant to be very good, just cheap. Compare a similarly priced card (btw 7950's are about 450 pre rebate, 320 after) like the gtx 670 and it's twice as fast. Also I don't see what a 6800 has to do with anything, that's quite old and to be honest I've gotten broken products from ASUS, MSI, EVGA, etc... They do replace them if you send them back.
  • DavilDavil Florida, USA Join Date: 2012-08-14 Member: 155602Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=2030594:date=Nov 20 2012, 04:03 PM:name=hit321)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (hit321 @ Nov 20 2012, 04:03 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030594"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->So, can you guys try discuss my issue now? :)

    I forgot to tell that I have a motherboard with x2 PCI-e 16x<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I can't find any major retailers even selling those cards anymore. Truthfully video cards come down to architecture, that is to say it's about the newest technology. Those old cards won't handle things nearly as well as a newer one. Go with a 7770 if you need something cheap, it's only about $110 and you'll be far more satisfied with that than trying to do crossfire with some very old cards.
  • KwisatzHaderachKwisatzHaderach Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143872Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    I have had a very similar decision to make once: uprading my 5770 to a xfire 5770, or going for a 6870. I did a lot of research and decided to go for the 6870. Why? Because xfire still seems to have issues with micro stuttering and profile management. Some games don't seem to scale very well to xfire, only gaining you a few percent over a single 5770. Also there is heat and power consumption to think of, not so much for the 5770 though. Still, i would well that 5770 and get a used 5870/6870/GTX460/GTX560ti.
    AMD and Nvidia both have their merits: AMD is cheap and has good performance, Nvidia has all these amazing Anti Aliasing modes... But they can only be afforded performance wise, when you get one of the more expensive cards.

    Go for the single GPU solution.
  • GuspazGuspaz Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2862Members, Constellation
    SLI/Crossfire are not worth the trouble. It'll work OK on most games (although there's always the stutter issue, subtle at two cards but present), but some games will just freak out. Crysis is an example; it never worked right for me on SLI.

    It's just not worth the trouble. Stick to single GPU and you'll have less headaches down the road.
  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    edited November 2012
    Video card memory is the biggest issue these days, not GPU speed or SLI/CX

    This trend started with the 9000 series nvidia, notice how the 9600GT and 9800GX2 were 1gb cards?
    Now 2gb VRAM is appreciated in the 500 and 600 series, with some vendors making 3gb 660Ti's.

    CX is good in this area, because you can buy 2 cheap cards for 4gb of VRAM.
    Two 5770's is probably the better way to go, depends how cluey you are with computers.
    I'd only do it if you're willing to manually test and create settings for your CX profiles, AMD/ATI are horrendous for not making working profiles. Nvidia is too for some games, but are generally faster than AMD/ATI and SLI works for more games to begin with.

    EDIT: Forgot, Apparantly CX and SLI don't use VRAM like stripe does in raid hard drives, so you don't get 4gb useable, you get 2gb filled with the same data on both cards. I don't know how true this is, however according to benchmarks it seems to be a myth.

    edit #2 for clarity.
  • SnæbjørnSnæbjørn Join Date: 2012-08-06 Member: 154868Members
    I've got a 5870 and it's running fine on medium.
  • NeokenNeoken Bruges, Belgium Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27447Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Playtester
    I don't think this should be in general discussion.

    Anyway, I'd rather have a good single GPU, than two mediocre GPU's producing more heat, consuming more power, and causing more driver problems. But that's just me.

    I had the 5770 before and upgraded to a 560ti. The difference is immense.
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2030601:date=Nov 20 2012, 11:09 PM:name=Davil)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Davil @ Nov 20 2012, 11:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2030601"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You just compared 2 completely different levels of video cards. Ti models are the types of cards you will find at like a bestbuy or walmart. They're not meant to be very good, just cheap. Compare a similarly priced card (btw 7950's are about 450 pre rebate, 320 after) like the gtx 670 and it's twice as fast. Also I don't see what a 6800 has to do with anything, that's quite old and to be honest I've gotten broken products from ASUS, MSI, EVGA, etc... They do replace them if you send them back.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    no... 660 ti is in the same price range as 7950... the 670 is 20-30% more expensive and therefore closer to the 7970 price.

    anyway both manufacturers are equal and my point was that you use personal preference, and in my experience ATI/AMD have always had the better value cards which give me no issues or problems. i'm sure AMD have lost customers because someone bought a DoA AMD card, so i don't think nvidia give a crap that they lost me as a customer with a DoA card.
  • grizzlyyygrizzlyyy Join Date: 2012-10-09 Member: 161924Members
    Get a HD 7850 OR HD 7870. I have an XFX HD 5770 and I'll tell you right now going crossfire with dual 5770's will not yield you a performance increase in this game.
  • SavantSavant Join Date: 2002-11-30 Member: 10289Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    It's never worth it to upgrade one generation. (57xx to 58xx) Either go for what is current or save your money. I'm using a 5850 and it's fine at 1650x1080. Have you tried using your card with the game now? Are you having problems?
  • ChickenOfWarChickenOfWar Join Date: 2003-04-09 Member: 15352Members
    edited November 2012
    Why get these old GPUs?

    get this : <a href="http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4960997&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=Es5Ekr9eEBk-Qr_hlxFBEv0ZVu61.GF0Gg" target="_blank">http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Se...BEv0ZVu61.GF0Gg</a>

    That card is on like mega sale right now. The link takes you to a page selling a 6970 for 189 instead of the normal 300 it goes for.
  • schkorpioschkorpio I can mspaint Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16635Members
    i don't see any sense in buying a 2+ year old GPU
    i recently went from a 5870 to a GTX 670 and its silky smooth max settings @ 1920x1080


    i'd be in favour of getting a GTX 660 over the 5870 as I'm assuming price wise they are similar, however the 660 is faster, cooler and less power hungry (any price difference will pay for itself over time in lower electricity bills)
  • hit321hit321 Join Date: 2007-11-17 Member: 62942Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    "i don't see any sense in buying a 2+ year old GPU"

    It's simple, where I live the price of a GPU like GTX 670 is x4 more expensive that in your country.
    And 5870 is old but is much better than 7770 for example.

    But thks for all that u suggested.
  • LocklearLocklear [nexzil]kerrigan Join Date: 2012-05-01 Member: 151403Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Shadow
    Get your processor overclocked or buy a new one. I rarely get any (0ms) time waiting on the GPU.

    I have a HD6970 and it's always FPS limited by the CPU.
  • MaximumSquidMaximumSquid Join Date: 2010-07-20 Member: 72593Members
    edited November 2012
    <u><b>hit321:</b></u>

    HD 5870 will be better than 2x HD 5770

    Sell your old 5770 on ebay or cragistlist to save some cash or use it as a second physics card if your mobo can support it

    Source:
    <a href="http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=613&card2=615" target="_blank">http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?ca...3&card2=615</a>

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    If anyone is curious I'm using a HD 6870 to run this game and rarely have FPS issues

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  • SixtyWattManSixtyWattMan Join Date: 2004-09-05 Member: 31404Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2032513:date=Nov 22 2012, 05:44 PM:name=MaximumSquid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaximumSquid @ Nov 22 2012, 05:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2032513"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><u><b>hit321:</b></u>

    HD 5870 will be better than 2x HD 5770

    Sell your old 5770 on ebay or cragistlist to save some cash or use it as a second physics card if your mobo can support it

    Source:
    <a href="http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=613&card2=615" target="_blank">http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?ca...3&card2=615</a>

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    If anyone is curious I'm using a HD 6870 to run this game and rarely have FPS issues

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    5770 can't be used as any kind of physics card. That's nvidia only.

    The 5870 will be faster though.
  • purephoenixpurephoenix Join Date: 2012-11-17 Member: 172074Members
    type in r_stats and look at how many MS to wait for your GPU.
    If it's 0 then your cpu is holding you back.
    I use a bulldozer 8150 @ 4.07ghtz and gtx460, i average 5-10ms GPU wait
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