Why are balance changes being left out of the notes?

spaceturtlespaceturtle Join Date: 2012-08-03 Member: 154714Members
Is this something we can expect going forward during release? Or was it just an accidental omission?


  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2025069:date=Nov 15 2012, 04:49 PM:name=spaceturtle)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spaceturtle @ Nov 15 2012, 04:49 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2025069"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Is this something we can expect going forward during release? Or was it just an accidental omission?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    UWE seem to have a habit of forgetting. Not sure how their internal documenting of changes works, but somehow changes they even talk about on forums don't seem to appear in notes. Patch notes usually get fixed eventually though.
  • godriflegodrifle Join Date: 2006-12-01 Member: 58815Members
    Here are the dev posts relating to the patch notes.

    <!--quoteo(post=2024247:date=Nov 15 2012, 08:14 AM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Nov 15 2012, 08:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2024247"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->We apologize for the factual inaccuracies in the patchnotes. We would like to pull them down, and put up a new complete and better version, but we have a strict policy of not changing the patchnotes once they have been posted. It protects the writers of the patchnotes from being pressured to add additional gameplay and balance information by the community, and we stand by this policy.

    Thank you.


    <!--quoteo(post=2024719:date=Nov 15 2012, 06:09 PM:name=Flayra)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Flayra @ Nov 15 2012, 06:09 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2024719"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I've been busy with my other responsibilities this week and didn't have time to make any balance changes. That won't be the situation for long though.

    Another thing - VAC is now fully enabled. If anyone finds a link to download a speed hack or other cheat, please send it to tech-support@unknownworlds.com and it will be added to VAC.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    So the first post is basically a joke from Cory. The second post is more humble, but I'm not sure if Flayra is talking about actual balance changes or writing the balance changes into the patch notes. He is a busy man, perhaps much busier now that 1.0 is out.

    Your concern is legitimate.

    -Why are there no notes of balancing in the patch notes?
    -Will we ever get the balance notes?
    -Do we deserve the balance notes, or is it a good idea to post the balance notes at this time?
    -How are we as players, impacted without the notes? I think I can answer this one: So far the response has been overwhelming to favor the side of the Aliens. This is not a good thing. If anything can alleviate this, it's balance notes.
  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    Cory's quote is amazing. Love that guy lol.
  • MangoManMangoMan Join Date: 2003-12-28 Member: 24813Members
    Haha great post from Cory! Love it
  • White_HawkeWhite_Hawke Join Date: 2002-11-27 Member: 10095Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    That's a hilarious quote, but not having balance changes in the patch notes is very bad. Knowing the rules to a game is important if you have any interest in playing it well. When the rules change the players should be notified.
  • KuddlyKalliKuddlyKalli Yuggera Country Join Date: 2010-12-23 Member: 75905Members, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester
    <!--coloro:#FFC0CB--><span style="color:#FFC0CB"><!--/coloro-->Love Cory, haha! <3<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
  • tarquinbbtarquinbb Join Date: 2012-11-03 Member: 166314Members
    edited November 2012
    they've created a smoke screen...

    people are now wasting time complaining about the lack of balance patch notes, instead of complaining about the balance patch notes without giving it a fair amount of playtime.
  • kalakujakalakuja Join Date: 2012-09-11 Member: 159045Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter
    to hide all the things they did wrong
  • hakenspithakenspit Join Date: 2010-11-26 Member: 75300Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2025135:date=Nov 16 2012, 10:12 AM:name=kalakuja)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (kalakuja @ Nov 16 2012, 10:12 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2025135"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->to hide all the things they did wrong<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ahahah thats a good joke, but people seriously need to understand that by the time the patch is out they are no longer working on it and are focused on next patch.

    Seriously these guys have a massive list of things they are working on, as in the beta sometime they simply forget that somethings gone in with a patch.
    Also by the time we get the patch they are already working on the next one.

    I dont mind that we have active community members who provide notification of any balance changes...after all they are minor in comparison to some of the errors, crashes and other general improvements that we would all like to see (transparency...would enable water (used to love hiding in water with regen)).
  • Squeal_Like_A_PigSqueal_Like_A_Pig Janitor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 66Members, Super Administrators, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer
    We really aren't sure why the balance changes were left out in this patch, but it certainly was not intentional. Just a byproduct of trying to get patches out quickly to fix technical issues, and growing pains with the transition in our process from being in Beta mode to Release mode. We'll do our best to avoid such omissions in the future, and additionally work to get more testing time in on balance changes, then we had for this patch.

  • SehzadeSehzade Join Date: 2010-12-29 Member: 76024Members
    it took me some time to get Cory's joke...but it is hilarious! =)

    love the new (old) camo btw
    finally it is useful
  • Captain VentrisCaptain Ventris Join Date: 2012-09-27 Member: 160871Members
    Been seeing a number of posts by you and Charlie in a big wave here on the forums. Thank you very much for the responses and answers, guys!
  • spaceturtlespaceturtle Join Date: 2012-08-03 Member: 154714Members
    Can we get the balance changes now? I don't understand why they have not been posted.
  • XariusXarius Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24630Members, Reinforced - Supporter
    edited November 2012
    Yes please? Can't you just have someone post them somewhere unofficially, in a reply to a thread like this?
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