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  • ZeframZefram Join Date: 2004-05-11 Member: 28611Members, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Pistachionauts, Retired Community Developer
    edited October 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1998830:date=Oct 27 2012, 09:58 PM:name=DvdRom)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DvdRom @ Oct 27 2012, 09:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1998830"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have also pretty much the same setup, just with an quadcore CPU... i5 2500K HD4870 512MB 8GB RAM Windows 7 64 bit The problem is, that my FPS is also around 20-40 fps and that's only when i set the settings to low/off... with everything on High, i have around 10-30 fps. But i think the HD4870 should handle NS2 well enough, UWE just should support it more. Because my System runs every other game with 60+fps (Battlefield 3, Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, CS:GO) .<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    There is no way you're running BF3 2 at 60fps at any decent setting and resolution above 1024x768, if that high at all. The 4870 is barely over the minimum requirements for BF3, which is a 3870.

    Here are some benches for that card. <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/513" target="_blank">4870 Benches</a> It's nice site, because you can compare two cards. Although, I'm sure it's not wholly up to date with the latest Nvidia or Ati Drivers for newer cards. The performance on older (legacy/unsupported) cards shouldn't change that much with any recent drivers. The latest Ati drivers gave a HUGE boost (10-15%) to the 7xxx series cards.

    Crysis is covered there too and hardly playable.
  • MasterKpoMasterKpo Join Date: 2012-02-26 Member: 147492Members
    Well, I'm having the same, but i'm satisfied with this fps, i can do a more than 2.00 k/d rate!
  • DvdRomDvdRom Join Date: 2007-10-13 Member: 62622Members
    edited October 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1998857:date=Oct 28 2012, 06:46 AM:name=Zefram)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zefram @ Oct 28 2012, 06:46 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1998857"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There is no way you're running BF3 2 at 60fps at any decent setting and resolution above 1024x768, if that high at all. The 4870 is barely over the minimum requirements for BF3, which is a 3870.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <img src="http://oi49.tinypic.com/n5ls12.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    How you can see, i get up to 75fps on my 1680x1050 resolution.
    in fight, it's about 30-40fps
  • terrorizerterrorizer Join Date: 2009-08-05 Member: 68359Members
    edited October 2012
    I think that R4850 and R4870 cards are not enough for comfortable play.

    I had AMD Phenom 1055T at 3.5ggh and R4850 512mb, and average fps was bad - about 15-40fps. (build 222-223)
    I changed my card to radeon 7850 and receive about twice fps boost. It became 30-70fps (build 222-223)
    Now i have average 35-80fps at full 10x10 server.

    And also im thinking about changing my old Phenom to new AMD FX 8350 processor. I beleive it will give me about 15% additional perfomance boost.
  • KwisatzHaderachKwisatzHaderach Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143872Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    edited October 2012
    My suggestions would be:

    Go for used stuff! I do it everytime I upgrade and never have I had problems with it, just read the description carefully and ask questions if anything is unclear. If something seems dodgy give it a pass.

    - upgrade to win 7 64 (not used ofc :)
    - upgrade to a used GTX560ti or HD6950 or similar; both sell for around 110€ on eBay and perform really well


    If that doesn`t do the trick (Those cards will definitaly be tamed by your weak CPU) consider the following upgrade:

    - upgrade to a Q6600 or higher (Q9xxx); the Q6600 sells for 45€ on eBay and should be able to be OC'ed to 3GHz easily
    I think the Q9650 is the fastest CPU to go with your board, but it is not worth the price increase from an OC'ed Q6600.


    I myself am running on a AMD Phenom II X4 940@3.4GHz and a HD6970 and am getting frame rates around 40-80 in a 8:8 game, 1650x1080 and mixed settings (shadows on). The Q6600 is pretty close performance wise, as is the 6950, so I'd guess you could expect something around 30-60 fps with the same settings...
  • vupvup Join Date: 2007-10-28 Member: 62763Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1998830:date=Oct 28 2012, 04:58 AM:name=DvdRom)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DvdRom @ Oct 28 2012, 04:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1998830"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I have also pretty much the same setup, just with an quadcore CPU...

    i5 2500K
    HD4870 512MB
    8GB RAM

    Windows 7 64 bit

    The problem is, that my FPS is also around 20-40 fps and that's only when i set the settings to low/off...
    with everything on High, i have around 10-30 fps.

    But i think the HD4870 should handle NS2 well enough, UWE just should support it more.
    Because my System runs every other game with 60+fps (Battlefield 3, Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, CS:GO)

    i already spend 300€(387$) for a new CPU/Motherboard/RAM, just to play NS2 with playable FPS...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->



    Quite Interesting. Seems like our HD 4870 is our bottleneck?! (even though it may be fine with other games?). that could explain why my core2duo isn´t at 100 % usage when I drop below 30 fps. no idea :o.

    It also shows me that upgrading to a new mainboard + cpu and sticking to my current graphics card could change nothing :-O.

    I m a bit confused now. How much does the GFX has to do with the FPS? Everbody told me Ns2 is all about CPU.
    My GPU Wait value is at "0". Are there any other ways I can see how the GFX affects in-game FPS in ns2?


    @ KwisatzHaderach
    Can I use those GFX later on if I buy a new mainboard in 1-2 years? How much do you think will it affect fps?

    CPU: I think I´ll stick to my core2duo for now and try overclocking it a bit :)
  • KwisatzHaderachKwisatzHaderach Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143872Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=1999220:date=Oct 29 2012, 01:34 AM:name=vup)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vup @ Oct 29 2012, 01:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1999220"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->@ KwisatzHaderach
    Can I use those GFX later on if I buy a new mainboard in 1-2 years? How much do you think will it affect fps?

    CPU: I think I´ll stick to my core2duo for now and try overclocking it a bit :)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    OCing is probably the reasonable thing to do at this point. If you go for the 6950 or something similar, I reckon it will last you a few years and it will definitely fit into a new mainboard; I see no sign of a transition from PCI-e to another slot atm (pls correct me if I'm wrong).

    As to how it will affect fps, we only have DvdRom's post to work with. The last time I had an uneven CPU/GPU combo is long ago (Sempron 3000+/7900GTX).
    Now, I'm not a hardware expert and I'm not even a very dedicated NS2 player, but my guess is, ppl think NS2 is CPU intensive because it used to be in Alpha and early Beta. With all the engine improvements and addition of eyecandy recently, it might have shifted more towards being GPU intensive... idk. The only thing that really makes me wonder is that you get a 0fps waiting for GPU? On the other hand there is DvdRom's post...

    I think you should just go for a new GPU and see how things work out. You will surely see improvements to some extent. If they don't suffice, OC or go for a potent Quad core.
  • WilsonWilson Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72867Members
    Here are my specs:

    i5 750 @ 4ghz
    4870 512mb (latest drivers)
    4Gb 1600mhz ram
    Windows Vista 64-bit

    Graphics settings:

    Everything on low or off
    1024x768 (have to play on this to lower waiting for GPU to about 2-3ms, I can get it to 0 but the resolution is too low, 640x480)

    If your wait for GPU is always 0 then upgrading GFX won't help, you need to overclock your CPU or get a better one in order to get any FPS gains. If you want to test to make sure it's not your graphics card then turn your resolution down really low, if you notice no FPS improvement then it's your CPU that's the bottleneck.


    Here are some benchmarks of me running around ns2_summit on a local server.

    <a href="http://i.imgur.com/pa6I7.jpg" target="_blank">@1024x768</a> (what I play at):

    Min: 0 Max: 202 Avg: 102


    <a href="http://i.imgur.com/1S8Tv.jpg" target="_blank">@640x480</a> (min. res):

    Min: 116 Max: 171 Avg: 147


    <a href="http://i.imgur.com/CfTcH.jpg" target="_blank">@1680x1050 </a>(native res):

    Min: 41 Max: 80 Avg: 59
  • vupvup Join Date: 2007-10-28 Member: 62763Members
    okay seems like the GPU really is my bottle neck.

    When I am standing in xroads facing the hive ( explore mode). I have around 30+ fps. And my wait GPU value jumps up to 10!
    (native resolution 1920x 1080)

    When I lower this to the lowest resolution available I have like + 10 fps and no wait for GPU. (value 0). I wonder that the difference is "only" 10 fps, though. ( when GPU difference is from 0 to 10 )
  • WilsonWilson Join Date: 2010-07-26 Member: 72867Members
    edited October 2012
    For the best performance you'd need to upgrade both.

    If you don't mind playing on low resolutions then upgrading (or overclocking) your CPU would probably give you the biggest boost. Although you wouldn't notice a boost at 1080p since your GFX would be bottlenecking your FPS. You could probably get it to a decent playable level if you set your res to 1280x720 (or lower).

    By upgrading GFX and keeping your current CPU you'd probably get about the same FPS you get at 640x480 right now while playing at 1080p, but it wouldn't be any higher than that.
  • vupvup Join Date: 2007-10-28 Member: 62763Members
    I see. Mhh. Well I guess I have to stick to a lower resolution and overclock my CPU.

    Are there any tricks inside windows to improve FPS? I mean, which background processes could further kill fps? Antivir? Winamp?
  • vupvup Join Date: 2007-10-28 Member: 62763Members
    recommended system requirements for ns2 (official webpage)

    Processor: Core 2 Duo 3.0 ghz.

    That´s a joke isnt it?? o.O
  • VitdomVitdom Join Date: 2012-04-30 Member: 151345Members, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    edited October 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2000340:date=Oct 30 2012, 12:53 AM:name=vup)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vup @ Oct 30 2012, 12:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000340"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->recommended system requirements for ns2 (official webpage)

    Processor: Core 2 Duo 3.0 ghz.

    That´s a joke isnt it?? o.O<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No. Dual core @ 3GHz will allow you to play at ~60fps and ~ 30 fps at the most intense moments. A lot of players have overclocked their CPU's to above or close to 4 GHz. I reckon playing competitively requires at least a 4 GHz dual core CPU to get just below 60 fps minimum.

    You can try and disable your anti-virus system or whitelist NS2.exe, and also set the NS2.exe process priority to high.
  • 1dominator11dominator1 Join Date: 2010-11-19 Member: 75011Members
    Wooh windows xp 32bit. Cheers!
  • BoBiNoUBoBiNoU Join Date: 2007-12-27 Member: 63274Members
    Got a question regarding the bottleneck of my rig

    Got a i5 750 and a 5850 Xtreme 1GB both running at stock on a win 7 64 bit at 1680*1050.

    With settings by default ( I think only ambient occlusion is off ) I usually run the game at 60-70fps except sometimes when I literally have huge stutters and drops to something like 4/5 fps. Anytime I take a PG or enter some rooms, it's like my comp gives up and freezes. It is super annoying as it gets me killed most of the time.

    I noticed that my CPU usage is pretty low ( didnt see it getting above 50% ) and GPU usage is always close to 100%.
    Would that mean that my gPU is the bottleneck here ? I kind of wonder if it's worth upgrading the GPU as any other game can run fine @ high settings with decent/constant fps ( 50-60 for BF3 ).
  • terrorizerterrorizer Join Date: 2009-08-05 Member: 68359Members
    edited October 2012
    Why do people always giving their perfomance in BF3? Perfomance in this game is very strange, and it mean nothing in comparison to any other game. And also BF3 is a game from EA monster company with hundreds of developers, and this is main reason of good optimisation.

    <b>BoBiNoU,</b> So you have two ways. Wait 1-6 months for optimisation NS2 or immediately overclock CPU to 3.2+ ghz and change videocard.

    I dont see a problem in upgrading videocard. I did it from R4850 to R7850 and see a huge difference in NS2. Now im just feel myself comfortable and know that my videocard will be also good in another NEW games.

    <img src="http://media.bestofmicro.com/X/U/357618/original/battlefield%203%201680.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
    <img src="http://media.bestofmicro.com/Y/Q/357650/original/skyrim%201680.png" border="0" class="linked-image" />
  • BoBiNoUBoBiNoU Join Date: 2007-12-27 Member: 63274Members
    edited October 2012
    BF3 is a recent popular released game that's why.

    I'm gonna do a little OC on my processor hitting 3.4Ghz shouldnt be hard.
    Regarding the video upgrade, there is not much of a big difference between a 5850 ( ~ 6870 perf wise ) and a 7850 <a href="http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/7.html" target="_blank">http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Cat...formance/7.html</a>

    I'm looking into 7870/7950 but for one game it's a bit annoying ...

    Gonna give a go to lowering stuff but the game looks bad with shadow and everything else off :/
  • _Necro__Necro_ Join Date: 2011-02-15 Member: 81895Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited October 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=2000759:date=Oct 30 2012, 01:45 PM:name=BoBiNoU)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BoBiNoU @ Oct 30 2012, 01:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000759"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->BF3 is a recent popular released game that's why.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And it's wrong. You may want to read the whole post. Especially:
    <!--quoteo(post=2000721:date=Oct 30 2012, 12:55 PM:name=terrorizer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (terrorizer @ Oct 30 2012, 12:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000721"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->And also BF3 is a game from EA monster company with hundreds of developers, and this is main reason of good optimisation.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    And the performance graphs.
  • BoBiNoUBoBiNoU Join Date: 2007-12-27 Member: 63274Members
    edited October 2012
    I dont see the point of arguing who is behind the game bottom line is BF3 delivers very good graphics without asking for a top rig which everybody hopes NS2 would do too.
    If it's a matter of time it's ok. The thing is when you suffer from drops to 5fps while being ~50 fps the previous seconds, it makes the game not playable at all.

    Anyway my point was to check if my graphic card is the bottleneck here or my CPU.
  • terrorizerterrorizer Join Date: 2009-08-05 Member: 68359Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2000759:date=Oct 30 2012, 11:45 AM:name=BoBiNoU)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BoBiNoU @ Oct 30 2012, 11:45 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000759"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm gonna do a little OC on my processor hitting 3.4Ghz shouldnt be hard.
    Regarding the video upgrade, there is not much of a big difference between a 5850 ( ~ 6870 perf wise ) and a 7850 <a href="http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Catalyst_12.11_Performance/7.html" target="_blank">http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Cat...formance/7.html</a>
    I'm looking into 7870/7950 but for one game it's a bit annoying ...

    Gonna give a go to lowering stuff but the game looks bad with shadow and everything else off :/<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Just Overclock your processor to 3.2-3.4 and wait for additional optimisations from UWE. If R5850 card really working like R6870, the good upgrade is really something like 7870 or better.
  • vupvup Join Date: 2007-10-28 Member: 62763Members
    <!--quoteo(post=2000521:date=Oct 30 2012, 06:09 AM:name=Vitdom)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vitdom @ Oct 30 2012, 06:09 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=2000521"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No. Dual core @ 3GHz will allow you to play at ~60fps and ~ 30 fps at the most intense moments. A lot of players have overclocked their CPU's to above or close to 4 GHz. I reckon playing competitively requires at least a 4 GHz dual core CPU to get just below 60 fps minimum.

    You can try and disable your anti-virus system or whitelist NS2.exe, and also set the NS2.exe process priority to high.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    excuse me but that confuses me:

    This topic shows pretty clearly that a core 2 duo at 3.00 ghz is by far NOT enough to play ns2 at a decent level. And it s their recommended system requirement :o.
    I think that those are misleading new players.

    How do I whitelist ns2. exe?
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