LOVE the Exo Suit.. but one problem with it

AlchemdaAlchemda Join Date: 2004-02-01 Member: 25942Members
edited August 2012 in NS2 General Discussion
It will fall over in 0 seconds flat.

The physics of it is just mind boggling. Look at shots here

<a href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lql7ihqf9uk2a3a/_FUyr33K4S#f:NS2_01.jpg" target="_blank">Picture 1</a>

<a href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lql7ihqf9uk2a3a/_FUyr33K4S#f:NS2_02.jpg" target="_blank">Picture 2</a>


The huge heavy reactor on the back, extending out many feet behind, as well as the positioning of the leg sockets, arm sockets and the size of the foot pads, it will just fall backwards every time. the whole standing position should have the hip sockets moved back on the torso more to counter act the back end. The foot pads should extend farther back behind the legs to counter act this.


also the hydraulics going from the knee to foot yes, does help with load on the horribly designed ankle joint, but its sheer pressure upwards on the knee would just make it tip backwards..

Imagine this, you strap 100 lbs to your upper back (behind shoulderblades) edxtending out behind you 1 foot, then I want you to stand on your tippy toes, and kneel down keeping your back straight perpendicular to the floor and make sure your hips are behind your tip toes (trying to imitate the anklage/jointage and posture of the exo suit. You'd fall right the ###### back :)

Dont get me started on the fact they expect you tobelieve a person is fitting in there, where do their legs go, because the way its assembled, theres no way

<a href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lql7ihqf9uk2a3a/_FUyr33K4S#f:NS2_02.jpg" target="_blank">Picture 2</a>

Based on the fact your head needs to see out the top, your arms have to control the controlls.. but your legs,, are you curlled up in a ball, no way your legs can fit into those legs properly

I love it for gameplay and i think it looks amazing, but the nerd in me just had to point out that when creating it, it doesnt seem like actual real world motility was thought about. I get making it and the need to suspend disbelief and just enjoy it and think its cool... but I'm a weird one like that. Needless to say though, great job Corey and the rest of the team that put work onto it, i think it will be really fun and a great addition.

Comments

  • RowenRowen Join Date: 2012-05-04 Member: 151545Members
    The suit has an army of nanites pushing forward. Also nanites that eat and reconstruct the pilot's legs every time he comes in and out.
  • Cee Colon SlashCee Colon Slash Join Date: 2012-05-25 Member: 152581Members
    Curiously, the front tips of the weapons weight around 100 pounds.
  • AlchemdaAlchemda Join Date: 2004-02-01 Member: 25942Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1967384:date=Aug 28 2012, 07:57 AM:name=Rowen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rowen @ Aug 28 2012, 07:57 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1967384"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The suit has an army of nanites pushing forward. Also nanites that eat and reconstruct the pilot's legs every time he comes in and out.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Lol sounds like a simple "cheating" way to explain it haha.
  • Kouji_SanKouji_San Sr. Hινε Uρкεερεг - EUPT Deputy The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16271Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1967388:date=Aug 28 2012, 12:59 PM:name=Alchemda)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alchemda @ Aug 28 2012, 12:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1967388"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Lol sounds like a simple "cheating" way to explain it haha.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    "nanites!" is the way to explain anything!
  • whoppaXXLwhoppaXXL Join Date: 2006-11-03 Member: 58298Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    Thing with the legs is the ordinary cross-legged sitting inside. It's like a chill meditation in there for marines, ultimate stress lowering system for long days out in the universe.
  • GISPGISP Battle Gorge Denmark Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27460Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, Squad Five Gold, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Gold, Subnautica Playtester, Forum staff
  • RuntehRunteh Join Date: 2010-06-26 Member: 72163Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    You really shouldn't blend the line between computer games and reality... Also, what if the legs make up for 1/2 of it's weight?

    Your theory is flawed!
  • LPCLPC Join Date: 2002-04-07 Member: 384Members, Reinforced - Diamond
    so easily explained: his feet stick to the ground with some sort of super-vacuum. if the exo-suit has to lift one leg, the vacuum is released, and so fort.
  • TwiggehTwiggeh Join Date: 2010-09-24 Member: 74165Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1967384:date=Aug 28 2012, 02:57 PM:name=Rowen)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rowen @ Aug 28 2012, 02:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1967384"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The suit has an army of nanites pushing forward. Also nanites that eat and reconstruct the pilot's legs every time he comes in and out.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Actually around the marines hip is a Phasegate - only his upper half is in the Exo, his bottom half is on the restroom toilet halfway across the planet.
  • Angry Hillbilly 2Angry Hillbilly 2 Join Date: 2012-03-31 Member: 149741Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1967399:date=Aug 28 2012, 02:17 PM:name=Twiggeh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Twiggeh @ Aug 28 2012, 02:17 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1967399"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Actually around the marines hip is a Phasegate - only his upper half is in the Exo, his bottom half is on the restroom toilet halfway across the planet.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    What he said XD
  • LPCLPC Join Date: 2002-04-07 Member: 384Members, Reinforced - Diamond
    they should do the same for the commander, you'll never have to take a toilet-break again!
  • wirywiry Join Date: 2009-05-25 Member: 67479Members
    <img src="http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25739764.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
  • SyknikSyknik InversionNS2.com Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2064Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1967444:date=Aug 28 2012, 09:33 AM:name=wiry)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wiry @ Aug 28 2012, 09:33 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1967444"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><img src="http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25739764.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    lol, *applaud*
  • Wyattx3Wyattx3 Join Date: 2003-07-23 Member: 18386Members
    edited August 2012
    It would all depend on where the center of mass is, and how evenly the mass of the suit (including the pilot) is spread out. Assuming we take the pivot point and center of mass to be the waist area of the suit, there could be enough friction between the feet of the suit and the floor to prevent the torque due to the weight of the backside of the suit from toppling the suit over.

    But really, I don't see how you could come to any real conclusion considering it's a video game.
  • JibrailJibrail Join Date: 2009-04-16 Member: 67200Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1967444:date=Aug 28 2012, 02:33 PM:name=wiry)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (wiry @ Aug 28 2012, 02:33 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1967444"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><img src="http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/25739764.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    hahaha was waiting for that to hit
  • kingmobkingmob Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3650Members, Constellation
    The OP has a valid point. Just looking at it you have to stop your brain from working. Even the phase gate construction is more believable.

    It almost asks for a game mechanic where an Onos can knock it flat on its back....which would be totally hilarious.
    Instead of the marines turtling, the aliens could 'turtle' the Exo.

    Nice NANITES pic though.
  • neilm86neilm86 Join Date: 2009-04-16 Member: 67198Members
    nanites are currently reconstructing your thoughts to think that the exosuit is infact perfectly feasable.
  • fmponefmpone Join Date: 2011-07-05 Member: 108086Members, Squad Five Blue
    I got one word for ya partner:

    N A N I T E S
  • GrimfangGrimfang Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13086Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    So the reactor on the back doubles as a jetpack, that keeps you balanced. This with nanites makes this very possible, you can even see the nanites and the phasegate absorbing the otherwise visible exhaust from the jetpack keeping the exo steady, all in all a genious construction :)
  • Laosh'RaLaosh'Ra Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
    since the marine can control the legs, he can put one leg backward to maintain his balance when attacked by a charging onos (as seen in the trailer).
    don't underestimate what a human can do with some practise! (assuming the marine can control these hydraulics as well)
    as example, this is me using powerisers (they have fiber glass springs) some years ago (i'm not THAT skinny anymore ._.):
    <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/nulldsc00006.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/7869/nulldsc00006.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
    you can see that the "feet" are actually not below the center of mass! still, falling backwards is a very very rare thing to happen.

    and even with those little feet, i can run and also jump on one leg without holding back:
    <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/24/nulldsc00009.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2277/nulldsc00009.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>
    <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/nulldsc00008.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8590/nulldsc00008.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /></a>

    a person in an exo suit will have much poorer agility of course, but it's not like it's running around very fast. as for walking normally, the risk for me to fall with these things is about as low as tripping without wearing them. i don't think a heavy backpack would even make a huge difference there. and this is me, being a phyiscally weak person without any professional training!
    here is what people do who are actually good at this:
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY5z-nMvFqg&feature=player_embedded" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY5z-nMvFqg...player_embedded</a>

    so for me, the exo balance seems fine considering there might be powerful motors in these joints.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Join Date: 2005-05-15 Member: 51659
    <!--quoteo(post=1967519:date=Aug 28 2012, 11:35 AM:name=fmpone)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fmpone @ Aug 28 2012, 11:35 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1967519"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I got one word for ya partner:

    N A N I T E S<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    And in the worst case O'Neill can explain to you why it works because of...

    <img src="http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp94/gadget_82/16.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    <b>Magnets!</b>
  • 1dominator11dominator1 Join Date: 2010-11-19 Member: 75011Members
    edited August 2012
    <!--quoteo(post=1967383:date=Aug 28 2012, 08:54 AM:name=Alchemda)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Alchemda @ Aug 28 2012, 08:54 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1967383"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->It will fall over in 0 seconds flat.

    The physics of it is just mind boggling. Look at shots here

    <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lql7ihqf9uk2a3a/_FUyr33K4S#f:NS2_01.jpg" target="_blank">Picture 1</a>

    <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lql7ihqf9uk2a3a/_FUyr33K4S#f:NS2_02.jpg" target="_blank">Picture 2</a>


    The huge heavy reactor on the back, extending out many feet behind, as well as the positioning of the leg sockets, arm sockets and the size of the foot pads, it will just fall backwards every time. the whole standing position should have the hip sockets moved back on the torso more to counter act the back end. The foot pads should extend farther back behind the legs to counter act this.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Ever seen a man with a very bulky backpack on? yeah.

    Also I think you should turn your engineering major to the teleporting fade before you start complaining about structural faults of the exo.
  • Shrike3OShrike3O Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6678Members, Constellation
    I could also buy a big gyrostabilizer built into that module on the shoulders, allowing the suit to stay upright despite the shifting of weight from one foot to the other, impacts from charging Onii, etc...
  • countbasiecountbasie Join Date: 2008-12-27 Member: 65884Members
    edited August 2012
    While the OP may be right, Robotic labs have developed pretty great ways of artificially (and artistically) keeping balance for machines.
    BigDog:
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJQ0zNNOM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJJQ0zNNOM</a>

    IBot 4000:
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=476F78g7Bhs&feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=476F78g7Bhs...feature=related</a>

    And in this thread, the vacuum under the feet idea is the most resonable. Because you could use the heat from the engine, the minigun and the human inside to power a turbine for keeping the vacuum up.
  • echsechs Join Date: 2002-12-27 Member: 11568Members, Constellation
    Who needs legs when you've got dem legs!

    Fetal position to get inside the exosuit is also a requirement or you'll hit your head on the hood. :D
  • uffouffo Join Date: 2003-05-03 Member: 16026Members
    Well I drew a mental image of the line of centre of mass and in my mind the mass spreads pretty equally to either side. Also we don't know how heavy the backpack is. This said, who gives a f*ck.
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    i always thought the suit cuts off the marine's legs when he gets in. that's why he can't get back out.
  • MrRadicalEdMrRadicalEd Turrent Master Join Date: 2004-08-13 Member: 30601Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1970023:date=Sep 2 2012, 06:43 AM:name=Wheeee)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Wheeee @ Sep 2 2012, 06:43 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1970023"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i always thought the suit cuts off the marine's legs when he gets in. that's why he can't get back out.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    he sits in the standard TSF exo pilot position, crisscross apple sauce.
    <img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_N2qcfhrcFIw/Sb5XvTx-GpI/AAAAAAAAABQ/rShtIs7uf5w/s320/Kid+photo+--+sitting,+criss-cross+applesauce.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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