Help the new guys, not hinder

DJPenguinDJPenguin Useless Join Date: 2003-07-29 Member: 18538Members
i really shouldn't even feel compelled to make a thread like this but I've seen quite a bit of harassment thrown towards the new kids on the block.

stop it.

if you really can't handle people learning the game then just sit out the next week or two. some of us are trying to help these guys but then comes along the zero tolerance crowd and starts mouthing them off. many games were won today simply by coaching people as i commanded them, as well as seeing some opposing commanders go ballistic on theirs when losing. it can be frustrating, but even more so rewarding.
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  • MiniH0wieMiniH0wie Join Date: 2007-11-25 Member: 63013Members
  • CobraCommanderCobraCommander Join Date: 2012-07-30 Member: 154472Members
    Thanks for this thread. I got in my first game and people were ###### at each other, luckily i did nothing bad enough to get yelled at too. I just muted so I can enjoy my first game in Marines.

    I knew a game like NS2 would have people yelling and cursing since everyone has to work together to win or it's pretty much a loss. That's a turn off but I love the game's setting and that was just one game, I'm going back in for more, hopefully no more grieving, lol I wish, but it's an FPS which attracts all kinds of people, the good, the bad, and uglys.
  • MestaritonttuMestaritonttu Join Date: 2004-07-29 Member: 30229Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold
    edited August 2012
    I usually find myself getting frustrated with my underlings, and forgetting all about the high probability of new players. I almost wish there'd be "hours played" after player names, so I could tell when not to be so cereal.
  • DrownDrown Underwater Join Date: 2002-12-02 Member: 10392Members
    I think what might be a good idea is having a few new player servers only accessable by accounts having purchased the game less than a month ago. Or at least a (newb server) designation where they might congregate.

    Eve online has a great system where they have a pair of corps called Red vs Blue and also Eve University whose entire purpose is to teach warefare and skills to new players in a friendly educational setting. I'm not certain how that experience might be replicated here, but a few servers to that purpose seem a decent idea.
  • ShakerShaker Join Date: 2002-11-21 Member: 9582Members, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    Message to the new guys as well:

    The game has a very steep learning curve. Have patience, keep pressing "c" to open your map (dont worry, youll learn the maps in time).

    The game is VERY alien sided right now. Don't be surprised if you lose and lose and lose as marines. Balance is still being worked on.

    There is a hardcore group of players in the game with a good year of experience and they are going to <b>crush</b> you for now.

    I wouldn't hop in the comm chair just yet.

    <u><b>Communicate with your microphone!</b></u>

    That fps loss towards the end of a match affects everyone without a 4.5Ghz processor - you aren't experiencing anything out of the ordinary and its being worked on.

    If you can't kill anything as a skulk for now, go gorge and lock off a useful entry way toward your hives with clogs and hydras. Ask your team for a good spot

    Remember to buy a welder when the commander researches them and use it to weld your buildings, power nodes and teammates!


    All the above will help both the new guys and the vets not get frustrated while you learn the game.
  • TinCanTinCan Join Date: 2006-12-11 Member: 59010Members
    More public players & servers is better.

    <!--quoteo(post=1955651:date=Aug 1 2012, 08:06 PM:name=DJPenguin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DJPenguin @ Aug 1 2012, 08:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955651"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><b><i>Help the new guys</i></b><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    +1
  • ImbalanxdImbalanxd Join Date: 2011-06-15 Member: 104581Members
    Help the new guys, not Hitler!
  • GORGEousGORGEous Join Date: 2012-02-19 Member: 146762Members, NS2 Map Tester
    Crush them mercilessly.
  • Cee Colon SlashCee Colon Slash Join Date: 2012-05-25 Member: 152581Members
    I'm fascinated by the sudden influx of new players. And that us "experienced" folks are now acting as mentors. So far it has been a good experience. These guidelines are good!
  • AtoneAtone Join Date: 2009-09-21 Member: 68839Members
    I approve of this message. This game deserves to be so much more popular than it currently is. Please don't scare off the newbies.
  • LocklearLocklear [nexzil]kerrigan Join Date: 2012-05-01 Member: 151403Members, NS2 Playtester, NS2 Map Tester, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1955686:date=Aug 1 2012, 01:42 PM:name=GORGEous)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GORGEous @ Aug 1 2012, 01:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955686"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Crush them mercilessly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    >:D
  • Laosh'RaLaosh'Ra Join Date: 2011-12-09 Member: 137232Members
    +1. flaming doesnt help, explaining does...
    just think of it being part of your mission! you have served long enough to understand the game in detail, you can now lead the rookies into battle. no matter if you are commanding or in the field, people will rely on you! show them the awesome tricks you've learned and watch them improve.
  • GadxGadx Join Date: 2003-03-22 Member: 14788Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1955686:date=Aug 1 2012, 02:42 PM:name=GORGEous)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GORGEous @ Aug 1 2012, 02:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955686"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Crush them mercilessly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    +1
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    i dont want to help the new guys, they're my only path to a positive kdr!
  • JuCCiJuCCi Join Date: 2011-08-08 Member: 114961Members, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--quoteo(post=1955717:date=Aug 1 2012, 08:15 PM:name=Gadx)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Gadx @ Aug 1 2012, 08:15 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955717"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->+1<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    +1
  • SlamHanniganSlamHannigan Join Date: 2012-07-06 Member: 153952Members
    edited August 2012
    New players make the game a lot more interesting. I think recognizing that there are a lot more new guys coming into NS2 will help to make scores and victories/losses less relevant, brings the game back to just being about having fun, y'know?

    When the game goes on full release, we'll get even more of them. People should start learning now how to just have fun with the game. Never hurts to just go into the game to screw around. I haven't seen many instances of people being harsh on new guys, but for those people: it's beta, lighten up. Enjoy yourselves. :P

    <!--quoteo(post=1955686:date=Aug 1 2012, 05:42 PM:name=GORGEous)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GORGEous @ Aug 1 2012, 05:42 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955686"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Crush them mercilessly.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Being crushed mercilessly is how I learned (read: am learning)
  • Squeal_Like_A_PigSqueal_Like_A_Pig Janitor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 66Members, Super Administrators, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer
    Great thread, and love the positive, helpful mentality towards new players being promoted in here.

    We'd like to extend a big welcome to all the new folks,..and hopefully the people who do all the yelling and screaming at the newbs will realize that if they scare everyone away with that kind of harmful attitude, there won't be anyone left to play with. So to all the Veterans, please, help these guys out, give them a chance without all the yelling, and just have fun racking up some easy kills :)

    --Cory
  • TimMcTimMc Join Date: 2012-02-06 Member: 143945Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1955671:date=Aug 1 2012, 03:08 PM:name=Drown)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Drown @ Aug 1 2012, 03:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955671"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I think what might be a good idea is having a few new player servers only accessable by accounts having purchased the game less than a month ago. Or at least a (newb server) designation where they might congregate.

    Eve online has a great system where they have a pair of corps called Red vs Blue and also Eve University whose entire purpose is to teach warefare and skills to new players in a friendly educational setting. I'm not certain how that experience might be replicated here, but a few servers to that purpose seem a decent idea.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Or some players on pubs should stop being whiny ######gots.

    Its a pub, so its going to be a mixed ability group and mixed investment. Some people are just looking for fun, rather than to win. If you are going to be super cereal then join a clan.
  • BensonBenson Join Date: 2012-03-07 Member: 148303Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    I was playing on a server that was literally 1/2 first time players this morning (was a France based server i think), and they were all very responsive to advice. It was cool to see all the new guys learning together and playing as a team better than i see on most pubs since they were all learning together.

    Let us shape the next generation of NS2 players into unstoppable killing machines for glorious battle in the future!
  • remiremi remedy [blu.knight] Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
    edited August 2012
    I was in a server where there was a newb who was trying out commander on ns2_summit and started building a base in Sub Access not realizing that the marine's spawn was in Data Core, not Sub. He was doing a great job dropping RTs and everything for people and people were building his structures, but I kindly explained to him about the random spawning mechanic and why dropping them in Sub wasn't ideal. After I explained he apologized and dropped a phase gate and a com chair so that it would be useful. Unfortunately, someone (who shall remain unnamed) kept speaking up with that same zero-tolerance attitude and scared him out of the chair. I took over, and we still won the match, but we could have won it either way because the newb had actually been doing a great job despite his mistakes and it would have been so much better for him to have that winning experience in one of his first games rather than the scary social pressure experience.

    So guys, exercise patience, don't assume people are trolling when they may just be new and have a misunderstanding about how the game works. Be forgiving, try to help them out, and if their mistakes cost you the game, understand that it is just one loss. Try to calmly explain to them what happened so that they can know what to avoid doing in future games.

    Personally as frustrating as it can be to play right now with all these new people, I'm actually loving it because there are just so many new people to meet. :)
  • GrimfangGrimfang Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13086Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    It caught me a bit by surprise, that the commanders were so in effecient last night compared to the night before, and I realised that most of the server hadn't played for more than a day. On one hand it's nice to be able to make a big contribution to the team, but I hope that the 'veterans' willl do their best to help out the new players. More people on servers, = better chance at finding good games.
  • _Necro__Necro_ Join Date: 2011-02-15 Member: 81895Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited August 2012
    Yeah support the newbs, and bash the ###### that yell at them. Our really great community should speak up together against every d*** that think that he owns the server.
  • Stele007Stele007 Join Date: 2004-07-23 Member: 30063Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1955688:date=Aug 1 2012, 05:44 PM:name=Cee Colon Slash)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Cee Colon Slash @ Aug 1 2012, 05:44 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955688"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I'm fascinated by the sudden influx of new players. And that us "experienced" folks are now acting as mentors. So far it has been a good experience. These guidelines are good!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I get a smile on my face when I help people learn the game and give them a "proper" NS2 experience then get to hear them talk about how cool the game is. It's like when I was at the PAX East booth, which was even cooler since I could see and talk to the people I was helping.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    When Natural Selection came out there was a whole team of people who dubbed themselves "NSLearn" who would always be friendly and helpful to new players in the game. They also had a website with info for new players, I think, although that may have come later. I just remember how amazing and proactive the community was about doing outreach and making sure that this incredibly complex mod wouldn't overwhelm new people. The success of a game like Natural Selection 2 hinges in part on whether anyone who joins without much knowledge of how the game works is invited in by friendly people or yelled at by angry veterans. The size and strength of the community down the line in the future when all the current veterans are still playing is going to depend on how many new players they scare off today and when the game comes out.

    So to sum it all up, OP is right. Don't be mean to anyone in a videogame when it's as complex as Natural Selection 2 and when it's not even out yet. Not everyone has been learning to play marine commander since Halloween 11 years ago.
  • darkfictiondarkfiction Join Date: 2010-12-14 Member: 75677Members
    I caught myself yelling at our comm who "accidentaly" recycled our Arms Lab, Robotics Factory and Armory because he thought it did something else...

    After he explained he was new we still ejected his ass but we stopped flaming him. :)
  • blujayblujay Join Date: 2012-07-21 Member: 154277Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1955651:date=Aug 1 2012, 12:06 PM:name=DJPenguin)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DJPenguin @ Aug 1 2012, 12:06 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1955651"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->i really shouldn't even feel compelled to make a thread like this but I've seen quite a bit of harassment thrown towards the new kids on the block.

    stop it.

    if you really can't handle people learning the game then just sit out the next week or two. some of us are trying to help these guys but then comes along the zero tolerance crowd and starts mouthing them off. many games were won today simply by coaching people as i commanded them, as well as seeing some opposing commanders go ballistic on theirs when losing. it can be frustrating, but even more so rewarding.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    The wiki is ###### terrible.

    If you have a mic and you take the time to use your face to tell someone to go there,<b> leave.</b> Just answer their questions. There will be lots of them, but when you answer one guys question 10+ people who hear the answer might have had the same one.
  • DrummerDrummer Join Date: 2004-02-18 Member: 26654Members
    match i played earlier, aliens had the marines turtled back to base, but couldnt close the deal. so i noticed the fades starting to use vortex in the door openings. i told the alien team what the ability does, and shortly afterward, they finished us off.

    good thing too, cause i asked people in the server, and almost ALL of them were new. so make sure you guys help the ENEMY team with tips and info as well
  • remiremi remedy [blu.knight] Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23112Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1956070:date=Aug 2 2012, 12:12 PM:name=darkfiction)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (darkfiction @ Aug 2 2012, 12:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1956070"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I caught myself yelling at our comm who "accidentaly" recycled our Arms Lab, Robotics Factory and Armory because he thought it did something else...

    After he explained he was new we still ejected his ass but we stopped flaming him. :)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That's the same thing the guy I was talking to did. He actually had his voice key bound to the recycle button and accidentally recycled a bunch of buildings while trying to talk to us. Honest mistake, by the sounds of it (and based on the rest of his actions). When he realized what had happened and due to the flaming he said "someone else take over, I don't deserve it". It was a shame the team wasn't a bit more supportive and encouraged him on.
  • IeptBarakatIeptBarakat The most difficult name to speak ingame. Join Date: 2009-07-10 Member: 68107Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    I apologize to all the new players I did this to. I just wanted the long-winded losing turtle round to end.

    <img src="http://i.imgur.com/jmPm8.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />

    What I don't understand is why they're all using their axe.
  • SopsSops Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17894Members, Constellation
    Apologize? That is funny as hell.
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