Great firewall of China

BuzzouBuzzou Join Date: 2006-12-14 Member: 59056Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">alternative to youtube video news please?</div>hey guys, just a small suggestion

I'm sure if you're all aware certain countries like China, Vietnam etc, block youtube. I believe this is a big problem for UW, as here in China we can view the NS2 website, but not any of the drool-inducing video's that are linked from youtube.

Before you scream insults at me - yes i use proxies, but they just don't work properly (the free ones). websites where you can download proxy software are also blocked. Also, many Chinese have no idea what they are or how to use them.

Considering china has the largest number of internet users and online gamers in the world, i think it would be in UW's best interests to make as much information available to this large potential market as possible. Sure a lot of Chinese gamers may not be able to read the English text on the NS2 website, but if they could see the videos, that could convince them to try the game.

You don't have to change from youtube (obviously its the best option outside of these blocked countries), but maybe upload the videos on a site that isn't blocked, and provide the link beneath the youtube one as a mirror?

it may take a little more effort to do, but the potential benefits would be well worth it.

Sorry i don't know what alternate video sharing site should be used, feel free to list some sites and i'll see if they pass the "great firewall of China"

Comments

  • TigTig Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71674Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    Cuz the Chinese are actually going to buy it and not steal it? My buddy tse got me Maya 8 for 5$ from the shanghai black market. China is notorious for stealing trade secrets and pirating everything. /rant.
  • SgtBarlowSgtBarlow Level Designer Join Date: 2003-11-13 Member: 22749Members, NS2 Developer
    Are these videos blocked? <a href="http://www.indiedb.com/games/natural-selection-2/videos" target="_blank">http://www.indiedb.com/games/natural-selection-2/videos</a>
  • ASnogarDASnogarD Join Date: 2003-10-24 Member: 21894Members
    Doesnt China also have the unfortunate stigma of being the largest users of pirated software ?

    Not trying to be funny here but would investing funds into mirroring large videos have any returns in China ?
    The official beta trailer was / is available on a number of prominant gaming sites like GameTrailers, are those sites also firewalled ?

    I dont represent UWE , so prehaps a official repsonse may be better but to be honest I personally cant see any gains from mirroring the vids in a manner to bypass the firewalls... hell does China even allow Steam ?
  • playerplayer Join Date: 2010-09-12 Member: 73982Members
    edited February 2011
    NS2 being a multiplayer-only game, intertwined with Steam, I'm pretty sure pirating isn't going to be much of an issue.
  • RTVRTV Join Date: 2008-06-09 Member: 64417Members
    Don't be mean guys i guess not every chinese is doing that.
    You know there are a lot of people, less money.
    In China its a honor to get a copy, if somebody copy you its a honor.
    Have you try some proxy?
  • ben1099ben1099 Join Date: 2010-11-26 Member: 75282Members
    you need a VPN to view flash.

    <a href="http://hotspotshield.com/" target="_blank">http://hotspotshield.com/</a> dl this its free.

    Install - Connect - Surf.
  • eisigereisiger Join Date: 2010-11-22 Member: 75159Members
    edited February 2011
    The only reason they have the highest "piracy" rate is due to the lack of imports allowed over there. I'm sure people would be willing to buy these games if they could actually have the means to do so. The same with a lot of other countries, like Germany or Australia. Not sure if Australia is a good example, but it does take a long time for their versions to actually arrive on the market, and it costs about thrice as much as titles sold anywhere else.
  • ScardyBobScardyBob ScardyBob Join Date: 2009-11-25 Member: 69528Forum Admins, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    <a href="http://www.vimeo.com/" target="_blank">http://www.vimeo.com/</a>
    <a href="http://www.metacafe.com/" target="_blank">http://www.metacafe.com/</a>
    <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/" target="_blank">http://www.dailymotion.com/</a>

    Any of those work?
  • lunsluns Join Date: 2010-12-05 Member: 75502Members
    try using Tor. its free service, and works click of button. download the Vidalia Bundle, package includes everything you need, and it should work fine.

    <a href="http://www.torproject.org" target="_blank">http://www.torproject.org</a> < main side

    <a href="http://www.torproject.org/dist/vidalia-bundles/vidalia-bundle-0.2.1.29-0.2.10.exe" target="_blank">http://www.torproject.org/dist/vidalia-bun...1.29-0.2.10.exe</a> < direct link
  • peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
    edited February 2011
    Most of the Chinese customers will come from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore etc where youtube is not blocked and people are rich enough to have the systems that can run NS2. I tried to play LFD2 in China and it always connected me to Korean/Japanese servers. Whats the chance someone will run a good NS2 server there? Zero chance.

    IMO, waste of time for UWE...

    If you wanna get around the youtube issue just do UWE a favor and upload the NS2 videos to one of the crappy youtube copy websites like youku. I checked youku and NS2 videos already have 1000+ views. UWE could even make a duplicate channel there.

    If UWE release pre-order sales by region info you would surely see how tiny the chinese market is for them.
  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    the amount of hostility against china in this thread is... interesting?
  • peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
    edited February 2011
    ^ Read every post and I don't see any hostility. Which post are you referring to?

    OP: here's a link which isn't blocked and you can see a lot of the official videos <a href="http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_%E7%89%A9%E7%AB%9E%E5%A4%A9%E6%8B%A92" target="_blank">http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_%E7%89%...A4%A9%E6%8B%A92</a>

    trailer video description XD
    ""Natural Selection 2" by unknown Spark engine production company, will be logged Steam platform. Natural Selection 2 is of a strategic component of the first-person shooter game. Main elements of science fiction is full of Marines profiled in the story of World War II, the game four elements are: real-time strategy elements, both against the isolated, dynamic environment, and play a hundred tire of repeatability."
  • AsranielAsraniel Join Date: 2002-06-03 Member: 724Members, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Playtester, Retired Community Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=1829922:date=Feb 6 2011, 01:38 AM:name=peregrinus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peregrinus @ Feb 6 2011, 01:38 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829922"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->^ Read every post and I don't see any hostility. Which post are you referring to?

    OP: here's a link which isn't blocked and you can see a lot of the official videos <a href="http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_%E7%89%A9%E7%AB%9E%E5%A4%A9%E6%8B%A92" target="_blank">http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_%E7%89%...A4%A9%E6%8B%A92</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Ok, perhaps i was overreacting, but reading the comments one could think that the chinese are all pirates and even if they would buy it, they would not be able to setup good servers.
    Anyway, we should stay on topic :)
  • peregrinusperegrinus Join Date: 2010-07-16 Member: 72445Members
    edited February 2011
    ^ Like an earlier post explained - people pirate because its SO hard to find proper copies and the fakes are on every street. Even if u find a real copy its way too expensive. Thats the real sad situation, no hostility intended. Running servers needs money for the equipment so only the popular games will have servers running. The nearest NS2 servers are Australia and US. No servers in any Asian country yet :( Other problem is that its slow to connect to foreign websites/servers so your ping is extremely high and your score is the worst :(((
  • endarendar Join Date: 2010-07-27 Member: 73256Members, Squad Five Blue
    I've played a bit of NS1 in the last couple of days, and due to server numbers, and me wanting to play WITHOUT bots, I always end up on a "YMS" server, and I'm pretty sure its hosted somewhere in asia (i'm australian), but no idea on the country its in. I wouldn't believe that there will be no servers in asia that provide them with a decent ping.

    And yes, there is hostility towards china in this thread, some comments about how all chinese will steal everything due to 1 anecdote, and that they lack the willpower/money/other to set up a server.
  • BuzzouBuzzou Join Date: 2006-12-14 Member: 59056Members, Constellation
    wow thanks for the feedback guys!

    <!--quoteo(post=1829881:date=Feb 5 2011, 06:18 PM:name=SgtBarlow)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SgtBarlow @ Feb 5 2011, 06:18 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829881"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Are these videos blocked? <a href="http://www.indiedb.com/games/natural-selection-2/videos" target="_blank">http://www.indiedb.com/games/natural-selection-2/videos</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    yeah that works, there's not too many videos but at least it's something. thanks heaps!

    <!--quoteo(post=1829883:date=Feb 5 2011, 06:25 PM:name=player)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (player @ Feb 5 2011, 06:25 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829883"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->NS2 being a multiplayer-only game, intertwined with Steam, I'm pretty sure pirating isn't going to be much of an issue.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    exactly, i don't think piracy would be a big problem.

    Also, China is now the world's 2nd largest economy, and there are MILLIONS of spoilt only-child gamers spending their rich daddies money. Any assumption that China is a country full of impoverished peasants is crazy. Sure there is a lot of poverty here, but there is also a ridiculous amount of wealth. Do people realize how much revenue blizzard collects from just their Chinese WOW subscribers? sure most would only pay by the hour, but they still pay.

    <!--quoteo(post=1829899:date=Feb 5 2011, 08:53 PM:name=ben1099)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ben1099 @ Feb 5 2011, 08:53 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829899"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->you need a VPN to view flash.

    <a href="http://hotspotshield.com/" target="_blank">http://hotspotshield.com/</a> dl this its free.

    Install - Connect - Surf.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    already tried it, the website is blocked. if i use a proxy to access it, the download button doesn't work :'(

    <!--quoteo(post=1829907:date=Feb 5 2011, 10:23 PM:name=ScardyBob)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ScardyBob @ Feb 5 2011, 10:23 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829907"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://www.vimeo.com/" target="_blank">http://www.vimeo.com/</a>
    <a href="http://www.metacafe.com/" target="_blank">http://www.metacafe.com/</a>
    <a href="http://www.dailymotion.com/" target="_blank">http://www.dailymotion.com/</a>

    Any of those work?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    nah they're all blocked.

    <!--quoteo(post=1829908:date=Feb 5 2011, 10:30 PM:name=luns)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (luns @ Feb 5 2011, 10:30 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829908"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->try using Tor. its free service, and works click of button. download the Vidalia Bundle, package includes everything you need, and it should work fine.

    <a href="http://www.torproject.org" target="_blank">http://www.torproject.org</a> < main side

    <a href="http://www.torproject.org/dist/vidalia-bundles/vidalia-bundle-0.2.1.29-0.2.10.exe" target="_blank">http://www.torproject.org/dist/vidalia-bun...1.29-0.2.10.exe</a> < direct link<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Thanks heaps! i'd heard of TOR but never bothered to look it up. i can download the vidalia bundle but can't run/install it for some reason, i'll look into it further.

    <!--quoteo(post=1829915:date=Feb 5 2011, 11:28 PM:name=peregrinus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peregrinus @ Feb 5 2011, 11:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829915"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Most of the Chinese customers will come from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore etc where youtube is not blocked and people are rich enough to have the systems that can run NS2. I tried to play LFD2 in China and it always connected me to Korean/Japanese servers. Whats the chance someone will run a good NS2 server there? Zero chance.

    IMO, waste of time for UWE...<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    There's still a NS1 server in mainland china (and 1 in taiwan too) that has a bigger active community than the Australian community i left behind... once NS2 is officially released i'm sure there will be servers. and if users can't afford their own rig, they'll just play it at an internet cafe... in fact most would do that anyway.

    <!--quoteo(post=1829915:date=Feb 5 2011, 11:28 PM:name=peregrinus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peregrinus @ Feb 5 2011, 11:28 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829915"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->If you wanna get around the youtube issue just do UWE a favor and upload the NS2 videos to one of the crappy youtube copy websites like youku. I checked youku and NS2 videos already have 1000+ views. <b>UWE could even make a duplicate channel there.</b>

    If UWE release pre-order sales by region info you would surely see how tiny the chinese market is for them.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    (i can't upload them because i can't access the original videos remember?)

    thanks for the site, and yes a duplicate channel for the news videos is all i'm asking for in this topic.

    sure the market would be tiny now, but it has a lot of potential. think positive.

    <!--quoteo(post=1829922:date=Feb 5 2011, 11:38 PM:name=peregrinus)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peregrinus @ Feb 5 2011, 11:38 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829922"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->OP: here's a link which isn't blocked and you can see a lot of the official videos <a href="http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_%E7%89%A9%E7%AB%9E%E5%A4%A9%E6%8B%A92" target="_blank">http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_%E7%89%...A4%A9%E6%8B%A92</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    yep that works, once again thanks peregrinus!
  • SgtBarlowSgtBarlow Level Designer Join Date: 2003-11-13 Member: 22749Members, NS2 Developer
    In that case i will talk to Cory to see if its okay for me to upload the dev blogs to the UWE Developer channel on indieDB.
    I currently upload the game trailer videos there as you see, I have no problem in spending a few mins putting the dev blog vidoes on this section: <a href="http://www.indiedb.com/company/unknown-worlds/videos" target="_blank">http://www.indiedb.com/company/unknown-worlds/videos</a>
  • BuzzouBuzzou Join Date: 2006-12-14 Member: 59056Members, Constellation
    edited February 2011
    <!--quoteo(post=1829882:date=Feb 5 2011, 06:22 PM:name=ASnogarD)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASnogarD @ Feb 5 2011, 06:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829882"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The official beta trailer was / is available on a number of prominant gaming sites like GameTrailers, are those sites also firewalled ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    yeah GameTrailers works, but it's just that - trailers. it would be great to watch the news videos, gameplay footage, NS2HD videos etc.

    <!--quoteo(post=1829882:date=Feb 5 2011, 06:22 PM:name=ASnogarD)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ASnogarD @ Feb 5 2011, 06:22 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829882"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I dont represent UWE , so prehaps a official repsonse may be better but to be honest I personally cant see any gains from mirroring the vids in a manner to bypass the firewalls... hell does China even allow Steam ?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    yes steam works fine.

    <!--quoteo(post=1829966:date=Feb 6 2011, 02:58 AM:name=SgtBarlow)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SgtBarlow @ Feb 6 2011, 02:58 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829966"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In that case i will talk to Cory to see if its okay for me to upload the dev blogs to the UWE Developer channel on indieDB.
    I currently upload the game trailer videos there as you see, I have no problem in spending a few mins putting the dev blog vidoes on this section: <a href="http://www.indiedb.com/company/unknown-worlds/videos" target="_blank">http://www.indiedb.com/company/unknown-worlds/videos</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    you are my hero SgtBarlow!!!!


    -EDIT-
    i just checked this beta trailer topic <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/index.php?showtopic=112649" target="_blank">http://www.unknownworlds.com/ns2/forums/in...howtopic=112649</a>
    the following sites aren't blocked:

    viddler.com
    fileplay.net
    jeuxvideo.com
    gamespot.com
    gamestar.de
  • TigTig Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71674Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    <!--quoteo(post=1829964:date=Feb 5 2011, 09:51 PM:name=Buzzou)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Buzzou @ Feb 5 2011, 09:51 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829964"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Do people realize how much revenue blizzard <b>loses</b> from just their Chinese WOW <b>goldfarmers</b>?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    fixed.
  • TacotaTacota Join Date: 2009-10-12 Member: 69027Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1829981:date=Feb 6 2011, 01:14 AM:name=Tig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tig @ Feb 6 2011, 01:14 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829981"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->fixed.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Um, no? How is that in any way true? Each of those farmers is $15 more a month for them. And, does blizzard sell gold? No... So its not like they are losing revenue from that.
  • TigTig Join Date: 2010-05-08 Member: 71674Members, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver
    <!--quoteo(post=1829985:date=Feb 6 2011, 12:49 AM:name=Tacota)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tacota @ Feb 6 2011, 12:49 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829985"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Um, no? How is that in any way true? Each of those farmers is $15 more a month for them. And, does blizzard sell gold? No... So its not like they are losing revenue from that.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <a href="http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Blizzard-MMORPG-World-Warcraft,7542.html" target="_blank">http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Blizzard-...craft,7542.html</a>

    <a href="http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=25455" target="_blank">http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml...articleId=25455</a>
  • FehaFeha Join Date: 2006-11-16 Member: 58633Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1829964:date=Feb 6 2011, 03:51 AM:name=Buzzou)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Buzzou @ Feb 6 2011, 03:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1829964"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->(i can't upload them because i can't access the original videos remember?)<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Did you just think he told you to upload the vids?
    The bold text said UWE, not you :P. UWE is short for Unknown Worlds Entertainment.


    Also, are you guys telling me that blizzard displays (I know blizzard might need the info, but it shouldnt be displayed to hackers :P) private information on players accounts? Thats just a plain stupid security risk asking to be exploited for identity theft and such.
    And in addition to that, it lacks a good way to create temporary passwords and a system to share those with players ingame? Would be the best way to protect players who buy power-leveling from later on getting their gear stolen.
    The password will expire when the servie is completed, and if they do steal your gear and such, the logs display what password was used, and which account it was sent to.
    If a company makes a temporary account to not get any consequenses blizzard would just have to look up the accounts private info to find who is behind it, then the scammed person can sue them for breaking the contract, provided the contract included some sort of paragraph stating that the hired company would not be allowed to use the password for stuff like that).
  • BuzzouBuzzou Join Date: 2006-12-14 Member: 59056Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1830045:date=Feb 6 2011, 04:04 PM:name=Feha)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Feha @ Feb 6 2011, 04:04 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1830045"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Did you just think he told you to upload the vids?
    The bold text said UWE, not you :P. UWE is short for Unknown Worlds Entertainment.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Umm yes i am well aware of what UWE stands for. When i quoted him i changed that text to bold to <b>highlight the part that i wanted the dev's to read</b>.
    Go check his original post, you will also find he asks me to "do UWE a favor", hence my cheeky reply :P
  • HeymanHeyman Join Date: 2005-03-29 Member: 46895Members
    Back on topic, I don't see any harm in uploading NS2HD's videos to a place Chinese fans could access. It would take 1-2 hours tops. And all one would need is a volunteer or two.
  • schkorpioschkorpio I can mspaint Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16635Members
    most games get released in one region at a time - no doubt UWE will worry about marketing in China once the game is ready for it.
  • HughHugh Cameraman San Francisco, CA Join Date: 2010-04-18 Member: 71444NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Onos, WC 2013 - Shadow, Subnautica Developer, Pistachionauts
    Buzzou if you let me know of a video sharing site that isn't blocked, I will look into uploading NS2HD there. I'm very, very keen for Chinese viewers to be able to see NS2.
  • senor_hybridosenor_hybrido Join Date: 2009-06-04 Member: 67687Members
    edited February 2011
    Hey Chinese users, check out <a href="http://www.youku.com/v_showlist/c99.html" target="_blank">www.youku.com</a>. There are <a href="http://www.soku.com/search_video/q_NS2" target="_blank">a few NS2 videos there already</a>.
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