The new Gorge

aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">show some love</div>He's so damn cute!

Good:
+"Scared" defense mode
+Gorge taunt that automatically makes you think he's yelling "heeelllppp meeeeeee" as it echoes down the nearby halls.
+Belly slide (his toungue hangs out!)
+His squishy feet sounds

Bad:
- I miss building resource towers :`(
- His chambers should start as a glowie pile of puke like in the concept, then gradually grow into the full plant (probably be added much later in development)

<img src="http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7694/gorgeconcept.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" />
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  • WatchMakerWatchMaker Join Date: 2003-09-26 Member: 21233Members, Constellation
    I love that the Gorge's personality and character have been developed into something matching the communities response to the original, but at the same time, his gameplay changes make him a different class than the one I loved in NS1. The Gorge in NS2 isn't complete enough yet to know if I'll enjoy it as much... But I think it's going in the right direction!
  • BenaiahBenaiah Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22517Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1789241:date=Jul 30 2010, 02:57 PM:name=aeroripper)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (aeroripper @ Jul 30 2010, 02:57 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789241"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->He's so damn cute!


    Bad:
    - I miss building resource towers :`(
    - His chambers should start as a glowie pile of puke like in the concept, then gradually grow into the full plant (probably be added much later in development)

    <img src="http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7694/gorgeconcept.th.jpg" border="0" class="linked-image" /><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    He is cute.

    I second the puke idea. Followed by terminator music as the cute little building spawns. Muahahaha.
  • Chris0132Chris0132 Join Date: 2009-07-25 Member: 68262Members
    edited July 2010
    One of them managed to escape me apparently by using a sloped piece of floor as a slide and accelerating to about 30 miles per hour.

    I was too busy staring to shoot.

    Bellysliding is a very odd mechanic for a marine to experience.
  • CrapHandCrapHand Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58273Members
    Puke idea: +1

    I hope they implement it in future releases!
  • GeneralBowserGeneralBowser Join Date: 2010-05-19 Member: 71801Members
    I don't miss him building rts, he can build hydra's which is way more fun then putting up rts & hives :)
  • HadesDKHadesDK Join Date: 2008-07-31 Member: 64739Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1789266:date=Jul 30 2010, 09:34 AM:name=CrapHand)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CrapHand @ Jul 30 2010, 09:34 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789266"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Puke idea: +1<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    +1
  • TheGivingTreeTheGivingTree Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12070Members
    I really like the Gorge they did a great job with it.
  • NilarNilar Join Date: 2010-06-14 Member: 72058Members
    What is the "natural role" of a gorge now anyways? If I understand correctly, it can build Hydras but not RTs or chambers. I'm guessing they're still kinda slow and wobbly, so it doesn't seem like a very offensive class either, even if the Hydras are probably very helpful there. Sitting around on the back lines doesn't feel like alot of fun either.
  • TriggermanTriggerman Graphic Artist Join Date: 2004-11-10 Member: 32724Members, WC 2013 - Supporter
    How is the belly-slide achieved right now? I guess it's just holding down shift? (can't play the game myself on this craptop of mine but I've seen the game).
    I was kind of expecting the belly-slide only to be possible if the player does a spit or something in front of him, just seems to make sense to me. It will also provide a bit of skill to use the ability if that were in.
  • Chris0132Chris0132 Join Date: 2009-07-25 Member: 68262Members
    edited July 2010
    <!--quoteo(post=1789329:date=Jul 30 2010, 11:51 AM:name=Nilar)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nilar @ Jul 30 2010, 11:51 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789329"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->What is the "natural role" of a gorge now anyways? If I understand correctly, it can build Hydras but not RTs or chambers. I'm guessing they're still kinda slow and wobbly, so it doesn't seem like a very offensive class either, even if the Hydras are probably very helpful there. Sitting around on the back lines doesn't feel like alot of fun either.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    They get spit and heal spray on their primary weapon, and they also get a defensive and fast movement ability at all times. Hydras also don't need building, you just drop them all and let them grow.

    So they're much more offensive/mobile than before. They also are very likely to get more abilities.

    <!--quoteo(post=1789330:date=Jul 30 2010, 11:53 AM:name=Triggerman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Triggerman @ Jul 30 2010, 11:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789330"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How is the belly-slide achieved right now? I guess it's just holding down shift? (can't play the game myself on this craptop of mine but I've seen the game).
    I was kind of expecting the belly-slide only to be possible if the player does a spit or something in front of him, just seems to make sense to me. It will also provide a bit of skill to use the ability if that were in.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yep, shift.

    It gives you a speed boost and I think it might work better down hills, but I'm not sure. You go a long way anyway you just can't turn.
  • TheGivingTreeTheGivingTree Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12070Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1789330:date=Jul 30 2010, 05:53 AM:name=Triggerman)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Triggerman @ Jul 30 2010, 05:53 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789330"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->How is the belly-slide achieved right now? I guess it's just holding down shift? (can't play the game myself on this craptop of mine but I've seen the game).
    I was kind of expecting the belly-slide only to be possible if the player does a spit or something in front of him, just seems to make sense to me. It will also provide a bit of skill to use the ability if that were in.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Now that is a good idea..
  • Squeal_Like_A_PigSqueal_Like_A_Pig Janitor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 66Members, Super Administrators, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer
    Belly slide in its current form is not final.

    The plan eventually is that you can only belly slide down stairs and inclines, and only on straight sections if there is infestation on the floor. Infestation may also increase the speed. There has also been some talk of the gorge possibly getting the ability to spread small amounts of DI himself, so possibly that could get chained to the belly slide, as well, and have him be able to lay down infestation in front of him as he's sliding.

    --Cory
  • IeptBarakatIeptBarakat The most difficult name to speak ingame. Join Date: 2009-07-10 Member: 68107Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited July 2010
    Gorge slip-N-Slides. :D
    I hope gorges can make infestation webs.
  • QuovatisQuovatis Team Inversion Join Date: 2010-01-26 Member: 70321Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Is there a way to tell how much resources you have while a gorge? I can never figure out when I have enough to put down a hydra...just trail and error right now.
    Also, I hope the spit model isn't final. It looks very cartoony to me (the model of the spit as it flies through the air). The NS1 model looks better IMHO.
  • Lemming JesusLemming Jesus Join Date: 2010-04-13 Member: 71385Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1789604:date=Jul 30 2010, 01:05 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Jul 30 2010, 01:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789604"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Belly slide in its current form is not final.

    The plan eventually is that you can only belly slide down stairs and inclines, and only on straight sections if there is infestation on the floor. Infestation may also increase the speed. There has also been some talk of the gorge possibly getting the ability to spread small amounts of DI himself, so possibly that could get chained to the belly slide, as well, and have him be able to lay down infestation in front of him as he's sliding.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You need to allow the gorge to spread the infestation just because I want to mess these maps up.
  • TriggermanTriggerman Graphic Artist Join Date: 2004-11-10 Member: 32724Members, WC 2013 - Supporter
    <!--quoteo(post=1789604:date=Jul 30 2010, 03:05 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Jul 30 2010, 03:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789604"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->There has also been some talk of the gorge possibly getting the ability to spread small amounts of DI himself, so possibly that could get chained to the belly slide, as well, and have him be able to lay down infestation in front of him as he's sliding.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Haha, oh man I just laughed so bad at that. So he's a tongue-at-the-side-of-mouth little fatty that spreads infestation and tentacles, when I can imagine the only thing he ever wanted was a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bpcA0S0pBc" target="_blank">thrill</a>?
    Also it's even more fun that belly-slide might actually be implemented as it looks now; it's such a whacky idea to begin with!
  • DJPenguinDJPenguin Useless Join Date: 2003-07-29 Member: 18538Members
    edited July 2010
    The Gorge is gonna become OP in the fun department. How are we gonna prevent half the team going Gorge?
  • CerebralCerebral Join Date: 2003-06-25 Member: 17689Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1789604:date=Jul 30 2010, 02:05 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Jul 30 2010, 02:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789604"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Belly slide in its current form is not final.

    The plan eventually is that you can only belly slide down stairs and inclines, and only on straight sections if there is infestation on the floor. Infestation may also increase the speed. There has also been some talk of the gorge possibly getting the ability to spread small amounts of DI himself, so possibly that could get chained to the belly slide, as well, and have him be able to lay down infestation in front of him as he's sliding.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    This is great news. I think that will be a really fun mechanic when you are trying to escape from marines. I hope it works similarly to how "skiing" worked in the Tribes game. Momentum would build up depending on the angle and length of the decline.
  • Killpo1Killpo1 Join Date: 2009-11-13 Member: 69373Members
    I think the gorge is good as he is currently, with the addition of maybe a few more buildings. While I can't stand up to a marine 1 on 1 with just spit, I can manage to get away with the slide, or lead him into my hydras, or possible retreat and put one up as i'm retreating, I can't be aggressive as a skulk or fade, but by no means can a Marine under estimate me and chase me 1/2 across the map thinking that I'm a defenseless gorge.

    I agree the gorge being the main spreader of infestation would be a great addition, making him a really vital support role.
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The plan eventually is that you can only belly slide down stairs and inclines, and only on straight sections if there is infestation on the floor. Infestation may also increase the speed. There has also been some talk of the gorge possibly getting the ability to spread small amounts of DI himself, so possibly that could get chained to the belly slide, as well, and have him be able to lay down infestation in front of him as he's sliding.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    That'd be pretty sweet. Gorges lay the way for other aliens to attack a marine stronghold (assuming DI gives a speed boost).
  • The_Real_QuasarThe_Real_Quasar Has the I.Q. of 12,000 P.E. Teachers Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9998Members
    edited July 2010
    The idea of the Gorge laying down infestation to keep sliding HAS to have been influenced by this, right?

    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUEoLn2NWcM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUEoLn2NWcM</a>

    If you must skip through, the bit I'm talking about starts at around 1.20
  • Killpo1Killpo1 Join Date: 2009-11-13 Member: 69373Members
    Lol America is blocked from viewing that video
  • The_Real_QuasarThe_Real_Quasar Has the I.Q. of 12,000 P.E. Teachers Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 9998Members
    Well that's just depressing. Damn laws.
  • Squeal_Like_A_PigSqueal_Like_A_Pig Janitor Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 66Members, Super Administrators, NS1 Playtester, NS2 Developer, Reinforced - Supporter, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Developer
    <!--quoteo(post=1789614:date=Jul 30 2010, 07:12 PM:name=Quovatis)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Quovatis @ Jul 30 2010, 07:12 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789614"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Also, I hope the spit model isn't final. It looks very cartoony to me (the model of the spit as it flies through the air). The NS1 model looks better IMHO.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, the spit effect isn't final. When it comes to the particle effects you can pretty much assume none of them are final at the moment, as we've really only just begun working on the effects, and many are still just stand in for the moment.

    --Cory
  • Mr. EpicMr. Epic Join Date: 2003-08-01 Member: 18660Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1789685:date=Jul 30 2010, 04:45 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Jul 30 2010, 04:45 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789685"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->No, the spit effect isn't final. When it comes to the particle effects you can pretty much assume none of them are final at the moment, as we've really only just begun working on the effects, and many are still just stand in for the moment.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Cory if the gorge makes his own DI for sliding can we call him a slug machine?
  • crodecrode Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7876Members
    I thought the best part of gorge was escaping by webbing up a marine and disable him.
  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    The Gorge is one of the alien classes that I'm curious about right now. I feel it has somewhat lost its role with the removal of hive and rt building abilities. And I don't think there has been any word on whether or not he can build upgrade chambers?

    Still an alpha though.
  • QuovatisQuovatis Team Inversion Join Date: 2010-01-26 Member: 70321Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    <!--quoteo(post=1789775:date=Jul 30 2010, 03:55 PM:name=Invader_Scoot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Invader_Scoot @ Jul 30 2010, 03:55 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789775"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The Gorge is one of the alien classes that I'm curious about right now. I feel it has somewhat lost its role with the removal of hive and rt building abilities. And I don't think there has been any word on whether or not he can build upgrade chambers?

    Still an alpha though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Well, if you notice, the alpha has all the upgrade chambers in the UI for the alien commander, so I'd assume not. It would be nice if the gorge could drop one more type of structure. The crag would make the most sense, but the AC would have to be the one to upgrade it and make use of its special abilities once placed.
  • kyliegirlkyliegirl Gorge Master Australia Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10586Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--quoteo(post=1789775:date=Jul 31 2010, 08:55 AM:name=Invader_Scoot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Invader_Scoot @ Jul 31 2010, 08:55 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789775"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The Gorge is one of the alien classes that I'm curious about right now. I feel it has somewhat lost its role with the removal of hive and rt building abilities. And I don't think there has been any word on whether or not he can build upgrade chambers?

    Still an alpha though.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I am actually loving the gorges new role atm, while I do really miss building the rts, I really hope I will still be able to build a defence chamber equivalent in the game when more chambers are implemented. My Hydras are pretty weak and the only way to currently ensure they are at least effective in deterring a marine is the build them in big numbers. I am not sure if building massive numbers of oc's was the idea, but I think a limit of some kind may be necessary so players don't fill an entire room with a carpet of them.

    I do love belly slide and the little growl the gorge makes when you press z ^_^ gorge is so much fun now :D I look forward to when we can play the finished product and create tactical defence points.
  • TheGivingTreeTheGivingTree Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12070Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1789604:date=Jul 30 2010, 02:05 PM:name=Squeal_Like_A_Pig)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Squeal_Like_A_Pig @ Jul 30 2010, 02:05 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1789604"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Belly slide in its current form is not final.

    The plan eventually is that you can only belly slide down stairs and inclines, and only on straight sections if there is infestation on the floor. Infestation may also increase the speed. There has also been some talk of the gorge possibly getting the ability to spread small amounts of DI himself, so possibly that could get chained to the belly slide, as well, and have him be able to lay down infestation in front of him as he's sliding.

    --Cory<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I am very glad to hear this, and the DI spreading ability sounds like it would be great.. can't really tell since it's not in the game for us yet.
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