Russian Tanks and Planes invade Georga

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<div class="IPBDescription">South Ossetia, Georga, that is.</div><a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08...etia/index.html</a>

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08/georgia.ossetia/index.html#cnnSTCVideo" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/08...tml#cnnSTCVideo</a>

World war 3 is neigh!

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    It's nigh unless it's a horse.

    Also this is one of the most eventful days in recent history. If anything wants to happen, now is a heck of a day to happen.
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    edited August 2008
    Well, ######. Run for the hills and lock up your daughters.

    Edit: Seems like google have removed the maps over Georgia and nearby countries, what's up with that?

    <a href="http://maps.google.se/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=georgia&sll=56.096556,30.9375&sspn=19.043495,53.613281&ie=UTF8&ll=41.021355,45.560303&spn=3.203419,6.70166&z=8" target="_blank">http://maps.google.se/maps?f=q&hl=en&a...6.70166&z=8</a>
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    edited August 2008
    to save bandwidth, most likely.

    edit: correction, the sat maps are still there. I have a couple theories but none all that great.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    I was convinced this was a hoax until I saw it in the newspapers. Huh.
    Won't this deal a huge blow to Russia's reputation? I mean, by now I had pretty much assumed that they were peaceful cowards like the rest of us (war on terror notwithstanding) and mostly bothering with internal affairs, then this happens. Will anyone trust them again?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    You thought Russia was a bunch of peaceful cowards? Where have you been since, oh, the 1500s? Did you miss the part where a bunch of terrorists took some hostages in a theater and Russia basically said "whatever" and ended up killing more hostages than terrorists? Or the part where we spent much of the 20th century aiming nukes at each other ready to destroy the world? Or Afghanistan? Or Chechnya?
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    Stallone beat the ###### out of the Russians not once, but twice. Let's get him on it.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1685704:date=Aug 11 2008, 10:35 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 11 2008, 10:35 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1685704"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->You thought Russia was a bunch of peaceful cowards? Where have you been since, oh, the 1500s? Did you miss the part where a bunch of terrorists took some hostages in a theater and Russia basically said "whatever" and ended up killing more hostages than terrorists? Or the part where we spent much of the 20th century aiming nukes at each other ready to destroy the world? Or Afghanistan? Or Chechnya?<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I was thinking of recent years, not forever, obviously.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    There's still enough superpower left in Russia to prevent them from being peaceful. War and superpower pretty much go hand in hand.
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    I just read in the newspaper that the swedish army is ready with 10.000 men...

    ...in one year after outbreak.

    All this talk about peace and reducing armies had us completely fooled.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1685741:date=Aug 12 2008, 04:20 AM:name=Align)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Align @ Aug 12 2008, 04:20 AM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1685741"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I was thinking of recent years, not forever, obviously.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    The hostage siege was 2002!
  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    BUT WHAT ABOUT KOSOVO GUYS?
  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    Relax a bit guys.

    For starters, Georgia made the first move to invade the South Ossetia region. Sure it's a weak excuse for a Russian invasion, but so far the ground forces of Russia have only gone into the South Ossetia region.

    Yes Georgia claims Russia has been airstriking elsewhere. The extra paranoid believe Russia is making a move to reclaim Georgia, a democratic and western friendly country.

    I personally feel it's a subtle power play on the part of Russia. Kinda testing how the US will react. I doubt we're heading into a huge all-out war with Russia. After all, it's probably the worse thing possible for Russia and the US to go into all-out war, and I'm pretty sure both sides know this. The Russian just wants to see how much extra they can grab.

    So yes, be concerned and watch the development, but I strongly doubt this in itself will escalate into all-out re-instated draft war, unless both sides start acting stupid.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Russia's already moved outside of South Ossetia, heading towards Gori. They're also taking the opportunity to fight in Abkhazia alongside the Abkhazians.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1685757:date=Aug 12 2008, 03:41 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 12 2008, 03:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1685757"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->The hostage siege was 2002!<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Oh.
  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1685785:date=Aug 12 2008, 08:41 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 12 2008, 08:41 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1685785"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Russia's already moved outside of South Ossetia, heading towards Gori. They're also taking the opportunity to fight in Abkhazia alongside the Abkhazians.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Yeah, just saw that news. Now <b>that</b> is quite a cause for concern.
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited August 2008
    I've been watching this with no small amount of interest... By that I mean refreshing Google News every few minutes. :/

    It's sketchy, as it always is, but here's what I've been able to come up with:<ul><li>Georgians enter South Ossetia to secure it.</li><li>Russian peacekeepers enter South Ossetia to fend them off.</li><li>Russia begins air strikes inside Georgian territory (Goti, etc)</li><li>Georgians offer some kind of ceasefire, not sure if this was formal, informal, a ruse, or a rumor</li><li>Russians ignore offer (if it existed at all) and start moving tanks into Georgia. They take Goti and Senaki (with a military base inside it)</li><li>Sarkozy brokers some kind of ceasefire sometime yesterday</li><li>Currently, some reports indicate that Russia is violating that ceasefire and sending tanks toward Tbilisi, the Georgian capital. I've seen two reasons for this. First, a Russian general said that the Georgian's weren't withdrawing fast enough from South Ossetia. Another is that the Russians are just taking a 70 tank convoy down to a NATO supplied weapons cache <i>near</i> Tbilisi in order to confiscate those weapons in the interest of peace in the region.</li></ul>
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    couple of things to add:

    There was already a small Russian peacekeeping force in South Ossetia.
    There was also a Russian military force supposedly conducting exercises just outside the South Ossetia border for 3 or 4 months leading up to the incident.

    I read somewhere that most of the Georgian military had retreated to defend the capital some time ago.
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDNLWfQWKrQc48pITBUg9KT_6oVwD92HIM080" target="_blank">update</a>
  • locallyunscenelocallyunscene Feeder of Trolls Join Date: 2002-12-25 Member: 11528Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1685854:date=Aug 13 2008, 03:08 PM:name=Gwahir)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Gwahir @ Aug 13 2008, 03:08 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1685854"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec--><a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gDNLWfQWKrQc48pITBUg9KT_6oVwD92HIM080" target="_blank">update</a><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This may be a bit OT, but while reading that article I saw this<!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->In Washington, President Bush said the United States planned a massive humanitarian effort involving American ships and aircraft, includiung a C-17 military cargo plane loaded with supplies that landed on Wednesday.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> and thought, "where the hell was that response time for Louisiana or the Midwest?" Third times a charm I guess?
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    I dunno, it's been a whole week since the conflict started. sounds about par for the course for our response time.
  • spellman23spellman23 NS1 Theorycraft Expert Join Date: 2007-05-17 Member: 60920Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1685862:date=Aug 13 2008, 08:58 PM:name=DiscoZombie)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DiscoZombie @ Aug 13 2008, 08:58 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1685862"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->I dunno, it's been a whole week since the conflict started. sounds about par for the course for our response time.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Bloody bureaucracy. This is why we need to trim down the government a bit.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1685870:date=Aug 13 2008, 04:59 PM:name=spellman23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(spellman23 @ Aug 13 2008, 04:59 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1685870"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Bloody bureaucracy. This is why we need to trim down the government a bit.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah response times will go way up on C-17s if we eliminate all the C-17s.
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1685873:date=Aug 13 2008, 06:52 PM:name=TychoCelchuuu)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TychoCelchuuu @ Aug 13 2008, 06:52 PM) <a href="index.php?act=findpost&pid=1685873"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Yeah response times will go way up on C-17s if we eliminate all the C-17s.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->


    Bill Clinton's way isn't the only way.
  • RobRob Unknown Enemy Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 25Members, NS1 Playtester
    Well, as I recall, the problems during Katrina were more mismanagement of resources at the disaster site rather than inability for Federal help to arrive. Anyway, the President has more control over foreign affairs than he does domestic ones. I believe that's by design.

    And, response times for humanitarian aid of 5 days is pretty damn good, if you sit and think about the logistics involved with something like that. I'm not sure what it means that there are actual US Military personnel over there now, though.
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