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  • IconoclastIconoclast Join Date: 2004-06-23 Member: 29481Members, Constellation
    another quality thread
  • MrMakaveliMrMakaveli Join Date: 2004-05-06 Member: 28509Members
    I'd gladly play against stacked teams every once in a while compared to being banned from every single NS server in existance.

    All this ranting about stacks and scripts and ###### gets real old. Myself and many other people have better reasons to rant but don't because we realize it's pointless because of the terrible state that public NS is in. You guys should do the same.
  • SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
    edited July 2007
    I don't refer people by their handles. You click options, change it, Smood has turned into Makalevi. SteamID is your fingerprint. So thanks, but my intention was not to ban anybody. Instead, perhaps someone could recognize this group as a part of some clan.

    Well, if you want to ignore me go ahead. If you can't handle the heat, just run.

    So again, a clanner can bring a challenge to a server. However, when stacking occurs, OBVIOUS stacking that involves insults and taunts to the losing team, it kills the game. Yes, we know you are good. Yes we know you control who wins. In that situation, you might as well have random on. That's what the admin at BAD did. However, once he left, it was stacking again and again.

    That and that BS about intentionally stacking, to clear the server. Wow, pubs are for everyone. You see some clanners leave because they might lose a round. You see them leave because they are being digested and rejoin the server.

    I don't see what is it about pubs that makes it pointless. You join a random group of people to beat another random group of people. That's what it should be "random". If you can have it so both teams are fairly similar in skill, you can have close games.

    Remember all the rants about shorter games? Well, close games help solve that, in a good way.
  • SariselSarisel .::' ( O ) ';:-. .-.:;' ( O ) '::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    OH. So pubs really aren't about teaming up with the people that you know and trust. Nope, pubs are apparently all about hard work where you derive gratification from long grimy games where each team is balanced for badness, so that it is difficult to achieve any objective with dumbell teammates.
  • F4tManMGS2F4tManMGS2 Join Date: 2004-04-10 Member: 27842Members
    I just want to add that stacking isn't some "clanner" phenomena that only ###### do. Nearly every pub I've ever played at has stacking (excluding TGNS because of the auto-randomizxer, but that's a different story). The thing is that people who stack are always friends of sorts, and when you get a clan of friends, this clan will be good and thus together they will be good. Community based stacks, on the other hand, don't have as-good players, so you take less notice of them. If you try to ban stacking, you will need to seperate community-personA and community-personB just as much as you need to seperate competetive-personA and competetive-personB.
  • LazyEyeLazyEye Join Date: 2005-01-06 Member: 32959Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--quoteo(post=1637793:date=Jul 7 2007, 12:01 PM:name=F4tManMGS2)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(F4tManMGS2 @ Jul 7 2007, 12:01 PM) [snapback]1637793[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I just want to add that stacking isn't some "clanner" phenomena that only ###### do. Nearly every pub I've ever played at has stacking (excluding TGNS because of the auto-randomizxer, but that's a different story). The thing is that people who stack are always friends of sorts, and when you get a clan of friends, this clan will be good and thus together they will be good. Community based stacks, on the other hand, don't have as-good players, so you take less notice of them. If you try to ban stacking, you will need to seperate community-personA and community-personB just as much as you need to seperate competetive-personA and competetive-personB.
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    QFT.

    Bad players stack just as much as good ones. I see it happen a lot, especially if I go like 52-2 as fade then join aliens again. The teams sit at 4 marines, 5 aliens for like a minute.
  • pSyk0mAnpSyk0mAn Nerdish by Nature Germany Join Date: 2003-08-07 Member: 19166Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Community Developer
    Of course they do.
    It's so much easier these days to stack and f4 instead of learning the game.
  • SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
    Well when does stacking by bad players make a difference?

    And yes I realize it's by a group of friends that probably use LAN or ventrillo to coordinate...

    The only way to reduce it is to randomize the players or run some people-placement system blackhawk runs...

    If anyone constantly downplays pub, why do they even join it then? Some people play casually for fun. Games aren't about "training" to get better for everyone. Hop in and have a good time.
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    Exactly, let people have a good time by playing with their friends...
  • UnderwhelmedUnderwhelmed DemoDetective #?&#33; Join Date: 2006-09-19 Member: 58026Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1637821:date=Jul 7 2007, 04:11 PM:name=SmoodCroozn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SmoodCroozn @ Jul 7 2007, 04:11 PM) [snapback]1637821[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Well when does stacking by bad players make a difference?
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    When they become a liability.

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    If anyone constantly downplays pub, why do they even join it then? Some people play casually for fun. Games aren't about "training" to get better for everyone. Hop in and have a good time.
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    Judging by the average game of NS on a pub, it would appear that the average player's idea of fun is building lots of turrets or OCs.
  • IconoclastIconoclast Join Date: 2004-06-23 Member: 29481Members, Constellation
    edited July 2007
    <!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->Please don't make inflammatory comments. -aero<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc-->
  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    My anecdotal evidence suggests that pubs are just fine, are flourishing, and everybody always has a good time.
  • F4tManMGS2F4tManMGS2 Join Date: 2004-04-10 Member: 27842Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1637821:date=Jul 7 2007, 06:11 PM:name=SmoodCroozn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SmoodCroozn @ Jul 7 2007, 06:11 PM) [snapback]1637821[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Well when does stacking by bad players make a difference?

    And yes I realize it's by a group of friends that probably use LAN or ventrillo to coordinate...

    The only way to reduce it is to randomize the players or run some people-placement system blackhawk runs...
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    Well, where do you draw the line on who's allowed to stack and who's not?

    As for your attempt to randomize every game, you clearly have trouble convincing the "clanners" to do it, do you think the "pubbers" would like it?

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    If anyone constantly downplays pub, why do they even join it then? Some people play casually for fun. Games aren't about "training" to get better for everyone. Hop in and have a good time.
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    why do you assume that people who are good go 100% every game?

    I've been dooking off in games and gone like 80-1 or some random ass crap like that while half awake. and I'm not even good at this game. Hell, I see Golden in the server I play on plenty of times just skulking, and clearly not giving much of a damn about what's going on, yet he practically dominates the server.

    Did it ever occur to you that some of these dirty, dirty, clanner-men wanted to have fun? Is it possible they want to be part of a community that isn't full of ######s and creeps and weirdos? Nowadays playing in clans completely removes you from any real sense of server-community, as no clans have pubs anymore. Why can't these players be part of communities too?
  • TrueVeritasTrueVeritas Join Date: 2006-10-20 Member: 58082Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1637830:date=Jul 7 2007, 06:30 PM:name=Iconoclast)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Iconoclast @ Jul 7 2007, 06:30 PM) [snapback]1637830[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    shut the ###### up already smood, go die in iraq
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    LOL

    the ns forums are funny
    but seriously i quit this game (couldn't handle getting manhandled by PREVERT-MAXIMUS)

    is there an unwritten rule somewhere that there needs to be at least one of these threads every few weeks

    LOL i have 59 posts
  • Splinter_SteveSplinter_Steve Join Date: 2005-03-20 Member: 45881Members
    I like to see how many kills I can get as fade without using blink in pubs. You can manage 60 in any 20 minute game easily.

    If you drop offense chambers 15 rounds in a row, you're a lovable gorge powar guy!!~1 <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pudgy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::gorge::" border="0" alt="pudgy.gif" />

    If you lead your team to victory on marines 3 rounds in a row you get banned for skill
  • aeroripperaeroripper Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    edited July 2007
    Quit it with the personal insults\attacks or this thread will be locked.
  • MrMakaveliMrMakaveli Join Date: 2004-05-06 Member: 28509Members
    So wtf do you suggest we do Croozn. Quit playing? Whatever team a good player joins is going to be stacked when every other single person is terrible. What should we do in that situation? Purposely be bad? You're probably like all the server admins out there, and don't know what to do. In which case, you just ban the good player for hacking even when you know he isn't. Cool story.

    <!--quoteo(post=1637860:date=Jul 8 2007, 02:15 AM:name=Splinter_Steve)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Splinter_Steve @ Jul 8 2007, 02:15 AM) [snapback]1637860[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    If you drop offense chambers 15 rounds in a row, you're a lovable gorge powar guy!!~1 <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/pudgy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::gorge::" border="0" alt="pudgy.gif" />

    If you lead your team to victory on marines 3 rounds in a row you get banned for skill
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    This pretty much sums up public NS. I just had a long rant to write but my ADD decided not to let me, so just read that quote and think about it.
  • JacKnifeJacKnife Join Date: 2004-03-12 Member: 27302Members
    edited July 2007
    there was this one player named minstrel he was interesting.
  • 1-800-CAL-SKILL1-800-CAL-SKILL Join Date: 2007-06-21 Member: 61326Members
    Lol poor Makaveli, I think he's been banned from every single public server now, even the bot servers.
  • ubermenschubermensch Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11692Banned
    <!--quoteo(post=1637826:date=Jul 7 2007, 08:13 PM:name=Underwhelmed)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Underwhelmed @ Jul 7 2007, 08:13 PM) [snapback]1637826[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    When they become a liability.
    Judging by the average game of NS on a pub, it would appear that the average player's idea of fun is building lots of turrets or OCs.
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    god, are you always going to be "on" with your tiresome pedantry and narcissism?

    seriously, nigh every comment you bother to post serves only to belittle someone or something and to support your own self-styled sense of superiority.

    you're not even that good, but that's besides the point; that haughty attitude is neither welcome nor enjoyed by any human being
  • BacillusBacillus Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58241Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1637913:date=Jul 8 2007, 03:06 PM:name=ubermensch)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ubermensch @ Jul 8 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]1637913[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    god, are you always going to be "on" with your tiresome pedantry and narcissism?

    seriously, nigh every comment you bother to post serves only to belittle someone or something and to support your own self-styled sense of superiority.

    you're not even that good, but that's besides the point; that haughty attitude is neither welcome nor enjoyed by any human being
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    I don't know if its about self superiority or such, but some clanners, including me, are a little fustrated because the ns public game quality has gone down and competetive activity is low. At least I hate seeing the game I've enjoyed probably something around 500+ hours end up in such state.
  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    There isn't anything narcissistic or pedantic about what he posted. Most pubbers are always a liability. And those that are completely clueless are the ones that end up on the wrong side of the stack.
  • SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
    edited July 2007
    What do I suggest Mak? I've already told you. If you want to play with your buddies and happen to be pretty good, go play on your 6v6 private servers. No harm done.

    But when you join a server and see 3 of your buddies on marines, do us a favor and join aliens. Do that so the game won't end in 1 minute when one of your guys already has com core/fusion hive/cargo/ventilation locked down by himself. Do that so the game doesn't spiral into spawn-camping/mine-spamming/hive-electrifying end games. And why don't you knock off all the snide remarks against players that aren't as good as you are? Make the conditions ideal for someone else to play.

    You whine about how pubs are getting worse and how the comp scene is dying (dead). Well, what are you doing about it? You think stacking and mocking other players makes them want to play? Quite the opposite here.

    Let me give you an article I read on today's EGM (Electronic Gaming Monthly). Or rather, it's the letter from the editor-in-chief.

    <!--QuoteBegin-Dan Hsu of EGM+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dan Hsu of EGM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ONLINE SUFFERING

    It made us miserable, yet we kept going back for more. The Halo 3 beta was a nightly exercise in masochism for many gamers-so many of you have complained about the unusually tough competition. In the May 18 edition of the 1UP Yours podcast, we discussed how strange it was that the game industry is moving toward a more accessibility to draw in a wider audience, yet online gaming (shooters, in particular) is still the territory of high-caliber players who like to keep newbies respawning more than playing.

    The following features aren't new, but makers of competitive games should have them all if they want to keep their products for more than just the hardcore:

    Bots. Customizable AI controlled oppoonents ease neophytes into deathmatches before they have to deal with the real thing. Winning is a confidence booster!

    Map tutorials. Sure we can load up an offline map for a solo tour, but wouldn't a developer-guided walkthrough be more helpful? It can point out the strategic spots, where to find weapons, and more.

    Smarter matchmaking. Xbox Live is supposed to match players of similar skill, from similar zones, but the lack of a critical mass of players to support so many subsets means you'll inevitable face off against that terror of a Halo player who prefers gunplay to girls. Games should warn you of this and let you opt out of matchmaking that expands its search criteria to find enough participants (better to play with a few folks on your skill level and some bots than to have a piss-poor time getting owned). And don't forget to use a Xbox Live's player feedback. Most people don't realize they can use it to avoid players just based on their skills alone, regardless of their online behavior.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Not everybody has the patience to die 50 times and come back for more. Of the options, I think matchmaking is the most important. But I know that it's not as possible in NS. What I'm saying is that perhaps it could be a duty of the better players to join the weaker team to make games close. That's the point.

    Like I said fatman, if you are a clanner go ahead and play. But when there's a group of yourselves, split yourself on different teams. It has nothing to do against crusading against clanners and removing them from the earth. But acting like a jerk and mocking lesser players doesn't help your reputation either.

    Iconoclast I love you too. Let's get married.
  • HassaanHassaan Join Date: 2005-01-09 Member: 33976Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1637943:date=Jul 8 2007, 05:16 PM:name=SmoodCroozn)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SmoodCroozn @ Jul 8 2007, 05:16 PM) [snapback]1637943[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->

    Not everybody has the patience to die 50 times and come back for more.
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    yes they do, this is why people with 0-50 score on pubs keep walking in a straight line as a skulk over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    And the stacks that are happening on servers like bad and iam are the mediocre players. I dont see any "good" nsplayer pub anymore. These mediocre players are the loudmouth frenchies etc. Kinda reminds me of me. Oh well. Well my point was....i forgot whatever
  • tullentullen Join Date: 2007-04-29 Member: 60757Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1637680:date=Jul 6 2007, 05:03 PM:name=DC_Darkling)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(DC_Darkling @ Jul 6 2007, 05:03 PM) [snapback]1637680[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Sad thing is some oldbies or 'pros' are so obsessed with shouting 'stack' that they are being plain retarted.


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    #1 sup retarT

    #2 Sup bad server that randoms me to marines so i get admined to aliens but get res slotted come back a second later to find the alien team full so i join marine and get banned for stacking YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS PERFECT SENSE

    #3 <img src="http://img2.putfile.com/main/7/18701480454.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
    <img src="http://img2.putfile.com/main/7/18701450587.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" /> cool server i thought there was decent people there
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    will you teach me to play ns
  • vmsvms Join Date: 2005-06-15 Member: 53927Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1637878:date=Jul 8 2007, 09:33 AM:name=JacKnife)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JacKnife @ Jul 8 2007, 09:33 AM) [snapback]1637878[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    there was this one player named minstrel he was interesting.
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    I think its about time he posts some pictures of himself without a shirt on again.
  • UnderwhelmedUnderwhelmed DemoDetective #?&#33; Join Date: 2006-09-19 Member: 58026Members, Constellation
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    god, are you always going to be "on" with your tiresome pedantry and narcissism?

    seriously, nigh every comment you bother to post serves only to belittle someone or something and to support your own self-styled sense of superiority.

    you're not even that good, but that's besides the point; that haughty attitude is neither welcome nor enjoyed by any human being
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    And am I wrong? The 2/19 skulk on the bottom of the team that slowly walks towards marines down long hallways the entire game isn't a liability? The marine who starts shooting the empty hive while it's going up before other marines can phase through isn't a liability? You know as well as I do that at a third of the time somebody gorges, the first thing they drop is an OC. How many commanders on pubs don't spend 120 res on electrification and turrets to lockdown something? Or perhaps a better question to ask is, how many players on an average team will respond to alien pushes in a timely manner that would enable the commander to not have to rely on turrets?

    In the end, your objections aren't really of what I say, but rather how I say it.
  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    Some more "anecdotal evidence". 10+ rounds straight of stacking on this pub server. Here are two of the rounds where I went against the stack.

    <img src="http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/8/7/8/f_halflife02m_b75b9ce.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
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    <img src="http://img35.picoodle.com/img/img35/8/7/8/f_halflife04m_1a03977.jpg" border="0" alt="IPB Image" />
  • SmoodCrooznSmoodCroozn Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22310Members
    Well I applaud you then. But then the question is how many times DID you go with the stack?
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