EU/AU PS3's will Emulate PS1/2 Games.

LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
<div class="IPBDescription">To lower the cost.</div><a href="http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166394.html" target="_blank">http://www.gamespot.com/news/6166394.html</a>

Rather than having a chip, they're going to offer patch downloads to play certain games via emulation; like the 360. So if you're without a connection to the net, you're boned.

I'm neither going to get a PS3, or do I live in either region, but I'm just posting to see what you guys think about it. Personally I think it's stupid plan, I don't know any people who have their GameCubes set up next to the Wii, or 360 next to the original XBox.

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  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    And by "lowering costs", it means "manufacturing costs are cheaper, but the consumer pays more"
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    Considering that PS2 games already look worse on the PS3 than on the PS2, adding one more nail to the coffin doesn't really make any difference if you ask me.

    But then again, does backwards compatibility even matter? With the PS3's oft-flaunted, extensive library of MUST HAVE exclusive titles, why would you ever want to play PS2 games again?
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    I play n64 all the time <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />

    silly updated consoles with their new games and fancy graphics. super mario 64 is where it's at (screw your DS version).
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    I play N64 all the time too, but via an Emulator using my N64/PS2 controller adaptor. The Emulator doesn't lock up on me nor give me horrible frame rates during some parts of certain games, online play is nice too(When it worked). My N64 is under my TV and I could hook it up, but it's really not as convenient.

    But why would I hook it up when my PC can just do the same? Same goes with the consoles in my eyes. I know most of my friends are looking to replace their old consoles with the new generation.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1609402:date=Feb 26 2007, 07:17 AM:name=Liku)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Liku @ Feb 26 2007, 07:17 AM) [snapback]1609402[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I play N64 all the time too, but via an Emulator using my N64/PS2 controller adaptor. The Emulator doesn't lock up on me nor give me horrible frame rates during some parts of certain games, online play is nice too(When it worked). My N64 is under my TV and I could hook it up, but it's really not as convenient.

    But why would I hook it up when my PC can just do the same? Same goes with the consoles in my eyes. I know most of my friends are looking to replace their old consoles with the new generation.
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    Not to derail this thread from the inadequacies of the PS3, but one of the major reasons to have a console is toy play with other people in the same place. Sports games, Co-op games, racing games, party games - most of them just aren't fun sitting behind a monitor. Sure, Halo looks better on a PC (especially when released years later than its console counterpart), but then you lose the interaction and awesomeness that co-op gets you). Same goes with something like Toejam and Earl ("That's my present!") or NHL 2k5 or Madden [number] or NBA [number], where you're in direct competition. Some games are also a bit easier to control on a console (generally platformers and things that don't specifically revolve around shooting), especially since the controls may be specifically designed for the console (...and I don't know about you, but I don't like driving vehicles in any game with a mouse and arrow keys/WASD). Co-op online is nice sometimes, but there's never the side-by-side coordination that develops when you can punch the person sitting next to you <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> .



    As for the PS3...backwards-compatability is fairly overrated. I know plenty of people with PS2s who never bother to play their PSX games. I know people with 360s that don't bother playing Xbox games (...well, we tried to play Ninja Gaiden, which was 'supposedly' compatible, but ...no...no, it's not). I had a PS2 at one point, I never used it for my PSOne games...heck, I didn't even really use it for PS2 games. The Wii is the only backwards compatability that appeals to me, but that's mostly because I really want to try Eternal Darkness and the RE remake, but I was too poor/lazy/unwilling to buy a GC.
  • LikuLiku I, am the Somberlain. Join Date: 2003-01-10 Member: 12128Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1609403:date=Feb 26 2007, 07:28 AM:name=UltimaGecko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(UltimaGecko @ Feb 26 2007, 07:28 AM) [snapback]1609403[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Not to derail this thread from the inadequacies of the PS3, but one of the major reasons to have a console is toy play with other people in the same place. Sports games, Co-op games, racing games, party games - most of them just aren't fun sitting behind a monitor... ...Some games are also a bit easier to control on a console (generally platformers and things that don't specifically revolve around shooting), especially since the controls may be specifically designed for the console.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I know, but many of the games I had on N64 were single player. But I refuse to play some games alone, Smash Brothers, since it's really not a good game without other people and half the fun is hearing everyone b*tch, and I see b*tching as an artform really. But then again, that's why I bought 2 USB adaptors. Controllers are the only way to go on some games.
    <!--quoteo(post=1609403:date=Feb 26 2007, 07:28 AM:name=UltimaGecko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(UltimaGecko @ Feb 26 2007, 07:28 AM) [snapback]1609403[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    As for the PS3...backwards-compatability is fairly overrated. I know plenty of people with PS2s who never bother to play their PSX games. I know people with 360s that don't bother playing Xbox games (...well, we tried to play Ninja Gaiden, which was 'supposedly' compatible, but ...no...no, it's not). I had a PS2 at one point, I never used it for my PSOne games...heck, I didn't even really use it for PS2 games. The Wii is the only backwards compatability that appeals to me, but that's mostly because I really want to try Eternal Darkness and the RE remake, but I was too poor/lazy/unwilling to buy a GC.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Backwards compatabilty isn't too important with PlayStation systems since they were just plagued with crap, but some games are just worth it. Silent Hill, Shadow of the Colossus, Pikmin, Eternal Darkness, etc... But I wouldn't want to unpack the PS2/Cube everytime I wanted to play them, and I wouldn't want to just have the system out cluttering things up and collecting dust.

    My friend and I actually played the original Twisted Metal games not too long ago on his PS2. It was nice not having to dig around for his PSX since we wouldn't have been able to find it.
  • Cereal_KillRCereal_KillR Join Date: 2002-10-31 Member: 1837Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1609382:date=Feb 26 2007, 12:44 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Feb 26 2007, 12:44 PM) [snapback]1609382[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Considering that PS2 games already look worse on the PS3 than on the PS2, adding one more nail to the coffin doesn't really make any difference if you ask me.

    But then again, does backwards compatibility even matter? With the PS3's oft-flaunted, extensive library of MUST HAVE exclusive titles, why would you ever want to play PS2 games again?
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    It makes a difference if the consumer has to pay more for less. (Or more for nothing, assuming you're not going to be using the backwards compatibility at all)

    Well not for me seeing as I don't use consoles, but in any case it's just crap for those who do <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />
  • RoverRover blargh Join Date: 2003-09-23 Member: 21139Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1609382:date=Feb 26 2007, 12:44 PM:name=lolfighter)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lolfighter @ Feb 26 2007, 12:44 PM) [snapback]1609382[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Considering that PS2 games already look worse on the PS3 than on the PS2, adding one more nail to the coffin doesn't really make any difference if you ask me.

    But then again, does backwards compatibility even matter? With the PS3's oft-flaunted, extensive library of MUST HAVE exclusive titles, why would you ever want to play PS2 games again?
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    Becaaaaause... we love some of the titles? I still play PS1 games, your point? <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> *cough*vandalhearts*cough*
  • OrganoXOrganoX Join Date: 2004-03-21 Member: 27473Members
    I still play some PSX games on my PS2.
    Thats what is all about, old games brings back memories.

    From my point of view, backwards compatibility is very important.
    Like Liku said, we dont have to unpack our old consoles to play old games.
    Some old games are worth to keep near your next generation console.
    Games like Final Fantasy 7,8,9, Roll way (oh my gosh, it's great), Klonoa, Oddworld Abe's Oddysse, Bust-A-Groove, Silent Hill, Metal Gear Solid, Crash Bandicoot 1,2,3, Gran Turismo etc.

    So, bad news for me <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />
  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
    I just bought a ps1 memory card for my ps2 to play Xenogears and others again <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

    but I'll never get a PS3 and don't live in europe so the point is moot for me =d
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    i think it's hilarious that it's not out yet in the EU. (and how sony was suing people who were exporting them)
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    edited February 2007
    Must remember that sarcasm doesn't work well on the internet. Must remember that sarcasm doesn't work well on the internet. Must remember that sarc-..

    The bit about the PS3's "oft-flaunted, extensive library of MUST HAVE exclusive titles" was sarcastic. What does the PS3 have to show for itself? Not even a good grip on backwards compatibility, that's what. The system is not really taking off because there are no blockbuster titles for it, and now they're going back on the backwards compatibility (which sucked to begin with). Nails, coffin.
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    awww poor LF. Don't worry, I knew you were being sarcastic, even if I didn't post :p

    I must admit to being fairly unimpressed with everything I hear and see about the PS3 as well but I'm admittedly biased after being royally irked by Sony's comments about how great they were and how the consumer will buy anything they make because they're Sony. The nail in the coffin for me was when they scoffed at europe saying "We could release it years later and they'd still snap them up."

    Jerks.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Honestly, considering that Sony invested 60% of their company's worth into the console's <i>development</i>, I'm not surprised their getting desperate to lower costs any way they can, even if it comes at the expense of the consumer('cause emulation will take YEARS to get to the level of the current PS3's emulation). The company is going down the tubes nice and quickly thanks to arrogance and disillusion of their own business strategies.

    I'm not saying the company is dead, but Sony won't be even near what they were before after this.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    I'm still waiting for Ken Kutaragi to jump out of those "PS3: $599" signs at the local electronics store yelling "SURPRISE!" before handing me a real console with a sane price tag.

    ... no dice.
  • ChimpZealotChimpZealot The Elite Demo Detective Join Date: 2002-11-30 Member: 10315Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I think the one thing that could have made me buy a ps3 anytime soon would have been GTA4 being ps3-exclusive. But since it's being released on the 360 and possibly even the Wii, I really have no reason to spend $600 on one.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1609512:date=Feb 26 2007, 02:16 PM:name=ChimpZealot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimpZealot @ Feb 26 2007, 02:16 PM) [snapback]1609512[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I think the one thing that could have made me buy a ps3 anytime soon would have been GTA4 being ps3-exclusive. But since it's being released on the 360 and possibly even the Wii, I really have no reason to spend $600 on one.
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    But you can play Blu-Ray discs for super cheap! Only $400 more than the XBOX360 HD-DVD player (which works without a 360). What a steal! I guess.
  • 404NotFound404NotFound Join Date: 2006-10-31 Member: 58103Members
    I bet Sony sure wishes they didn't sue "Bleem!" out of existance now. Bleem!cast for Metal Gear Solid is probably one of the finest emulators ever made.
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    edited February 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1609512:date=Feb 26 2007, 02:16 PM:name=ChimpZealot)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ChimpZealot @ Feb 26 2007, 02:16 PM) [snapback]1609512[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I think the one thing that could have made me buy a ps3 anytime soon would have been GTA4 being ps3-exclusive. But since it's being released on the 360 and possibly even the Wii, I really have no reason to spend $600 on one.
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    Beating up ######s with a Wiimote would be pretty cool.

    Edit: Since when does a word for prostitutes that begins with an h a swear word?!
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    edited February 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1609443:date=Feb 26 2007, 12:13 PM:name=Black_Mage)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Black_Mage @ Feb 26 2007, 12:13 PM) [snapback]1609443[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    i think it's hilarious that it's not out yet in the EU. (and how sony was suing people who were exporting them)
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    That's because Europe isn't a real place. We don't buy computer games. Hell, we only got electricity installed last week. I'm sending this message by writing it on a piece of paper, rolling it up and feeding it down the phone line.


































    I enjoy negativity.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1609601:date=Feb 26 2007, 10:28 PM:name=Mantrid)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mantrid @ Feb 26 2007, 10:28 PM) [snapback]1609601[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Beating up ######s with a Wiimote would be pretty cool.

    Edit: Since when does a word for prostitutes that begins with an h a swear word?!
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    If 'pewp' (that's right, ######) is a swear, then ###### better be a swear too.

    Why don't we just filter out rake, ho, panderer, doody, wee-wee, 'thingy', licentious, crotch, lecher, pervert, hustler, boobies, wiener and jugs?

    (Those too (...with the exception of rake, licentious and lecher) were also words I said before I was 13 years old, along with 'pewp' (...I believe the natural progression is 'number 2', 'doody', 'pewp', 'crap', [...actual vulgar word]...). And H----r is probably one of the 'nicest' ways to say prostitute (and is probably one of the first learned (I'd guess around 10 from TV and News) for most people. The absurdity of this forum's filter climbed greatly after the resurrection of the servers.


    ...don't let that detract away from your GTA/Wii/PS3 related conversation.


    Speaking of that Penny Arcade seemed sort of excited about flOw for the PS3, but the gameplay videos made it look excrutiatingly boring...
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    you can already play FlOw on the net for free without a PS3; it's a flash game :/

    oh and I dug about a bit more regarding something I'd heard about the PS3's graphic capabilities and it turns out it's 100% true! The PS3 has a far less powerful GPU than the Xbox 360.

    <a href="http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=8" target="_blank">http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=8</a>

    Just reading the first paragraph or two you'll note that the 360 (a 2 year old console) can render literally twice as many triangles per second than the PS3's GPU.

    ...what are we paying for again?

    It's not exclusives as almost everything on PS3 seems to be coming out on 360 now and it's not on graphics as the performance is better on a 360. What are Sony playing at? :/
  • GreyFlcnGreyFlcn Join Date: 2006-12-19 Member: 59134Members, Constellation
    Looks like Sony pulled a Zune <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" />
  • OrganoXOrganoX Join Date: 2004-03-21 Member: 27473Members
    I must say, Microsoft did a very good job on Xbox 360. Not only the console but the market strategy.
    Microsoft did exactly the same as Sony did when they joined the console-war with Playstation 1.
    Sony got much support back then, so does Microsoft now.

    The only thing i dont like about Xbox 360 is the DVD-player.
    Since HD-DVD released months ago, why didnt they just put in a HD-DVD driver instead of a DVD-driver?
    Okey, it's much more expensive. But the next generation of gaming is HD (in my view).
  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    edited February 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1609704:date=Feb 27 2007, 06:30 PM:name=Geminosity)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Geminosity @ Feb 27 2007, 06:30 PM) [snapback]1609704[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Just reading the first paragraph or two you'll note that the 360 (a 2 year old console) can render literally twice as many triangles per second than the PS3's GPU.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Maybe it's too late for me to be reading this biased piece of ish, but I didn't read a single thing about the PS3 on that page other than the initial sentence which went something along the lines of "The Xbox 360 GPU is much better than the Playstation 3 one."

    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenos" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenos</a>
    <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_%27Reality_Synthesizer%27" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSX_%27Reality_Synthesizer%27</a>

    They're both really damned similar. The RSX isn't "far less powerful" than the Xenos. They're both about the same.

    Sure, the 360 is a couple of years older than the PS3 (by launch date), but you have to consider other factors involved,e.g. the CPU involved (Cell is probably a lot better than the 360 processor in theory).
  • GeminosityGeminosity :3 Join Date: 2003-09-08 Member: 20667Members
    There are more pages than the one I linked if you'd really cared to check and I think it was fairly obvious what it was talking about considering the title of the article was "XBOX 360 vs PS3". Call it biased if you will but the vast majority of what seems to be in those pages are numbers, more numbers followed by a side dish of numbers.
    It's not some guy sitting there going "It's better because my daddy said so". It's an analysis of the performance.

    As for the cell processor it has it's own little quirks but the 360 isn't exactly perfect in the processor stakes either. The cell <b>is</b> however more powerful than the 360's three processors if that makes you feel better :p

    Feel free to read all the pages on that article if you want. It makes for interesting reading and confirms a few of the mutterings I've heard from friends of mine who are working in companies developing with the PS3.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
    It's just so annoying when facts get in the way of my opinions.
  • ExploderExploder Join Date: 2006-11-02 Member: 58202Members
    Well the upside of this is that the emulation might add some anti-aliasing and render it in a higher resolution, like on the 360.
  • lolfighterlolfighter Snark, Dire Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15693Members
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Newsflash: Operations in hardware are always better than being conducted in software. That's why we all spend small fortunes on graphics cards, kids. ASIC technology for the win, indeed.

    Sony have only partially lost the plot, that's the problem. Yes, they'll not sell thousands of units to any customer with a gray cell in their cranium. But the sad, sad sad little truth is, they could make a box out of cardboard stuffed with crisps, 25 years after we have flying cars and houses on Mars, and they'd STILL sell truckloads here because Mummy knows Little Johnny wants one.

    The fact they can openly be so negative about a market and happily get away with it speaks volumes about corporate marketing strategies.

    The measure, over the course of release can potentially net them extra millions. And in todays culture, the consumer doesn't have the clout individually, or the ability to unite against the lowest common denominator to do jack all about it. They can do what they like, at the price tag they feel like, with whatever junk they happen to chuck in a box a week beforehand.

    - Shockwave
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