Historical Images

enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
edited January 2007 in Off-Topic
<div class="IPBDescription">Timeline of everything.</div>This is probably a costly and time consuming project. Basically it entails me finding images spanning the history of the earth in any catagory: english, science, math whatever. I then get them made into posters of varying sizes and arranged into a composition of my choice.

Basically this thread is dedicated to images any of you think are of note in the history of everything. I'm not religious so i'd take a picture of the big bang over jesus, and i'm also nerdy so science is preferable.

Where posible they should be asthetically pleasing images of what they depict. i.e :
<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Apollo_17_The_Last_Moon_Shot_Edit1.jpg" target="_blank">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/comm..._Shot_Edit1.jpg</a>

I've got a few ideas:
-An atom
- Dinosaurs
- Knight in armour
-Da Vinci sketches in a colage i can photoshop myself:
<a href="http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/leonardo.html" target="_blank">http://www.visi.com/~reuteler/leonardo.html</a>
-Apollo mission
-Hubble image
-Martin Luther King (one of the few social issues I can relate to because it's so iconized)

But to be honest they aren't great ideas so list anything you think would be worthwhile - it'd be even more helpful if you actually posted the image of whatever you suggested.

e/ oh and naturally - high res images are prefered if you do post any. I'd rather size things down then have them blown up and blurred
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  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    Going from dinosaurs right to a knight in armor is a bit of a stretch. Sure you wouldn't want to throw in some Greeks or the Pryamids in there or something? The Romans and Chinese have arguably had the greatest impact on world history, so they might be important too.

    I'm having trouble understanding <strike>how you want us to do your homework</strike> what you're looking for. Chronological lists of things? Related lists of things? What dinosaurs have to do with the Hubble (or Hubble himself) I'm not sure, but that's mixing biology and physics/astronomy if you're going by the chronology of a single science.
  • OmegamanOmegaman Join Date: 2004-01-11 Member: 25239Members
    Oh, man. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wow.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":0" border="0" alt="wow.gif" />


    Maybe if I read "Guns, Germs and Steel" I could help you...
  • MedHeadMedHead Join Date: 2002-12-19 Member: 11115Members, Constellation
    Someone should make a book with pictures of monumental events! Then, they should add words to them to describe the events! Then, they should break apart these books by letter (or letters, if there isn't enough in each letter to make it worth a whole book) and sell them as a set! And they should name it something goofy, like "Brittanica" or "World Book". I totally made those titles up, just now.

    Nobody take my idea, because I thought of it first. I just first have to get people to start taking pictures of momentous events so I can put them in my new book series.
  • FaskaliaFaskalia Wechsellichtzeichenanlage Join Date: 2004-09-12 Member: 31651Members, Constellation
    <!--quoteo(post=1594726:date=Jan 4 2007, 09:04 AM:name=MedHead)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MedHead @ Jan 4 2007, 09:04 AM) [snapback]1594726[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Someone should make a book with pictures of monumental events!
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    I don't want pictures of my birth being shown <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    edited January 2007
    <a href="http://www.frozensloth.com/forums/016.jpg" target="_blank">Science!</a>

    This photo should need no introduction.


    Edit: Stupid forum code
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1594743:date=Jan 4 2007, 02:45 AM:name=Faskalia)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Faskalia @ Jan 4 2007, 02:45 AM) [snapback]1594743[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    I don't want pictures of my birth being shown <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":(" border="0" alt="sad-fix.gif" />
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    Then I have some great news! Your birth was far from a monumental event! In fact, billions of other people have been born and will be born. Yours was average. Nobody cares. Congratulations!
  • Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1594807:date=Jan 4 2007, 03:42 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Jan 4 2007, 03:42 PM) [snapback]1594807[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    <a href="http://www.frozensloth.com/forums/016.jpg" target="_blank">Science!</a>

    This photo should need no introduction.
    Edit: Stupid forum code
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    Facial hair club?
  • Femme_FataleFemme_Fatale Join Date: 2005-06-21 Member: 54310Members, Constellation
    i call Heathen in last post!!!!! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />

    Babylonians
    Egyptians
    Alexander The Great (Macedonians)
    Romans

    great ppl which we still owe to this day for lots of things.
    languages,inventions theories,art.etc.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1594813:date=Jan 4 2007, 10:59 AM:name=Sub_zer0)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sub_zer0 @ Jan 4 2007, 10:59 AM) [snapback]1594813[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Facial hair club?
    <!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Most of the greatest minds to ever grace the field of science! DUH!
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    edited January 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1594721:date=Jan 4 2007, 02:31 AM:name=UltimaGecko)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(UltimaGecko @ Jan 4 2007, 02:31 AM) [snapback]1594721[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Going from dinosaurs right to a knight in armor is a bit of a stretch. Sure you wouldn't want to throw in some Greeks or the Pryamids in there or something? The Romans and Chinese have arguably had the greatest impact on world history, so they might be important too.

    I'm having trouble understanding <strike>how you want us to do your homework</strike> what you're looking for. Chronological lists of things? Related lists of things? What dinosaurs have to do with the Hubble (or Hubble himself) I'm not sure, but that's mixing biology and physics/astronomy if you're going by the chronology of a single science.
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    the list wasn't in chronological order nor was it complete - I said a few ideas. This isn't "homework" - I'm in a Bsc major/ microbiology minor and have nothing to do with history.

    All I asked was what everyone thought would be a worthwhile event to pin as a historical moment. I didn't think it was a hard concept to grasp. Something major in the history of everything that is in pictoral form.

    You inadvertantly suggested the romans which I think is a great idea.

    Xyth - that's a great picture, surprising to see so many familiar names in one place like that. Of course I'd have to have Enstein in there but this is one better. thanks!

    To everyone else who replied - please refrain from posting clutter, it's just a waste of space and annoying.
    Medhead - Obviously I'm going to research it myself. I was looking for suggestions not sarcastic responses pointing out the obvious.

    Why do people have to be so childish all the time. It was a simple request - if you didn't want to help just dont post and let the thread die. no harm no foul.

    e/ oh and please dont respond to this post - I dont need more flames, just stick with the topic.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    If you want a worthwhile event, how about the 4th crusade's sack of Constantinople and the subsequent fall of the Byzantine empire and the eventual spread of Islam into parts of Eastern Europe, which - combined with the ethnic differences between Germanic/Finno-ugric/Slavic/Magyar groups - has created conflict for the last 500 years?

    The discovery of nuclear fission is always a good one too.

    The adaptation of the steam engine for mechanical use might also beconsidered marginally important (you know, that whole..."industrial revolution" thing).


    The <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Basically it entails me finding images spanning the history of the earth in any catagory: english, science, math whatever.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd--> part is throwing me off here. Do you mean in the sense of:

    if you did geology you'd have pictures of everything from the earth's conception as a smoldering ball of liquid rock to pangea to present day (okay, that skips a few things)?

    if you did biology and evolution you'd have pictures of algae, simple organisms, land based plants and animals, dinosaurs, mammals and then humans?

    if you did mathematics you'd have pictures of old Greeks and their crazy theories like Pythagoras and Aristotle and then Roman-era Greeks like Ptolemy and Archimedes...up until modern astronomers and mathematicians like Blaise Pascal or Charles Babbage right up until more modern chaos theory and such?

    (probably would want to mention the Egyptians and their crazy pryamids and their scientific intricacies - but I don't know any Egyptian mathematicians offhand)
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    I agree with Gecko, Industrial revolution is a must. You know, considering it is the single most important turning point in the history of our species EVER. I'd also put the black plague on there, since it marks the only decrease in population we have ever encountered.
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    yes exactly - this is the stuff i'm talking about.

    Don't get caught up with the whole science, english, sociology part. I was just trying to say that <b>anything</b> of historical significance is worth noting - don't think of it in terms of each subject as a seperate timeline since history encompases everything.

    My biggest issue is how to translate these ideas into images - the industrial revolution for example would be a steam engine I suppose. Finding an asthetically pleasing image of a steam engine is another challenge.

    Nevertheless these are good ideas.
  • Sub_zer0Sub_zer0 Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28569Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1594827:date=Jan 4 2007, 05:30 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Jan 4 2007, 05:30 PM) [snapback]1594827[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Most of the greatest minds to ever grace the field of science! DUH!
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    does that mean the key to brains is in the beard/ tash?
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1594866:date=Jan 4 2007, 03:46 PM:name=Sub_zer0)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sub_zer0 @ Jan 4 2007, 03:46 PM) [snapback]1594866[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    does that mean the key to brains is in the beard/ tash?
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    You might be onto something here...
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    edited January 2007
    <!--quoteo(post=1594861:date=Jan 4 2007, 02:22 PM:name=enf0rcer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(enf0rcer @ Jan 4 2007, 02:22 PM) [snapback]1594861[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    yes exactly - this is the stuff i'm talking about.

    Don't get caught up with the whole science, english, sociology part. I was just trying to say that <b>anything</b> of historical significance is worth noting - don't think of it in terms of each subject as a seperate timeline since history encompases everything.

    My biggest issue is how to translate these ideas into images - the industrial revolution for example would be a steam engine I suppose. Finding an asthetically pleasing image of a steam engine is another challenge.

    Nevertheless these are good ideas.
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    Well, arguably one of the greatest images of a steam engine (<a href="http://www.hhpl.on.ca/Greatlakes/GLImages/Details.asp?ID=58" target="_blank">here</a> - click on Full Image) this Corliss engine was unveiled at the American centennial celebration in Philadelphia in 1876 - ushering in an era of industrial prosperity during a time when billowing smokestacks were a sign of progress and not pollution. It essentially signaled the United States' entry into the modern industrial age.

    If you want further information on the exhibition (and potentially the engine): <a href="http://www.phmc.state.pa.us/ppet/centennial/page1.asp?secid=31" target="_blank">Centennial Exhibition of 1876</a>.


    (While it's a neat picture and historical note overall, if you're in the UK or Australia [edit] or Canada, I suppose [/edit] it might not be the proper image to use - especially since the industrial revolution began a earlier in England, sometimes placed in the mid 1700s - but this engine is more representative of modern industrialism - or just a giant steam engine).
  • semipsychoticsemipsychotic Join Date: 2003-07-09 Member: 18061Members
    Major events that come to mind in European history:

    -fall of Rome
    -rise of the Church: a good Cathedral picture?
    -black death
    -Renaissance: Michaelangelo's David would express the humanist, classical, and religious influences
    -exploration: pick your favorite conquistador or explorer
    -destruction of the Spanish Armada
    -the French Revolution, with sub-events:
    --Storming of the Bastille
    --something to do with Robespierre: a guillotine would do well here
    --something to do with Napoleon: the Battle of Trafalgar has some great paintings
    --the Vienna Congress to round this one out
    -Agricultural and then Industrial Revolutions
    -the scramble for Africa
    -The World Wars, with sub-events:
    --assassination of Francis Ferdinand
    --World War I: trench warfare picture
    --the Communist Revolution
    --the Great Depression
    --World War II: tons of great pictures here, the Battle for Britain stands out
    --Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the mushroom clouds tell all

    I'll be back with pictures, but it'll be a bit before I have time to really scour the internet for them. Yeah, I'm that lazy.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    edited January 2007
    Seeing as the Corliss engine may not be of use; may I suggest the 'discovery' of the New World by Columbus (if you don't want to get all technical about Leif Erikson and all those migrants from Siberia). I'm not aware of any particularily famous painting but I did find a wood carving print: <a href="http://umich.edu/news/Releases/2005/Sep05/img/columbus.jpg" target="_blank">over here</a>.

    It is kind of the spread of European culture to the Americas, the vast destruction of innumerable cultures as Indians were killed, the rise of naval powers in Europe, the extension of colonial power, the increases in slavery, the creation of former colonial nations, and the return to Europe of various new products. I suppose there could also be some reference to all the ecological havok intercontinental species invasion has caused...

    The landing in the New World is probably one of the bigger events in human history to note.



    And personally, while we find the fall of Rome rather diasterous and a tragic, many of the people of the period didn't necessarily consider it that dire. The fallen Roman empire had been crumbling for centuries (and in truth, the heart of the empire had been transferred to Byzantium, later Constantinople, before Rome fell (while it was being ruled by 4 'emperors'). The 'barbarian' invaders quickly replaced the fallen Rome with their own, which eventually became part of the titles of Charlemagne and the subsequent 'Holy Roman Empire' (which as many historians have put it: was neither, holy, nor Roman, nor an empire).

    Many of our historical ideals are linked to the Renaissance (where people believed they were enlightened and considered the period before 'dark', and wanted to again be associated with antiquity and Rome and Greece. And thus, the fall of Rome became "ooooh, so horrible, why did it have to happen!" ...Of course, there's also the European attempts at unity, and in some ways the Roman Empire was like a much warped European Union.



    That reminds me that you may want to try encompassing the battle of Tours in 732, as it is traditionally the point that saved European culture from the seemingly unstoppable expansion of Umayyads from Spain.

    You might also consider the naval expeditions of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zheng_He" target="_blank">Zheng He</a> (heck, I can't believe I remembered his name from History 101, but he is pretty important).


    There's also the discovery of gunpowder as a projectile weapon's propellent (not just as an incendiary or recreational use), which has changed the face of warfare (and subsequently the face of the Earth, once larger bombs were developed). It negated castles and created the abilty to have massive, easily trained armies.

    Similarily, the longbow or crossbow may be of interest, as they were essentially the downfall of the knight (resulting in the necessity of thicker and thicker armor) - however pikemen also had a decent impact.
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    now we're talking -

    Bare in mind that I only have a finite space to put all this, I'm looking at roughly 30 - 40 images of varying size I suppose depending on the quality i can print them and the importance of the image.

    Since I'm not a history buff I'm inclined to include images that are part of popular culture or common knowledge you could say. Zheng He - as you noted, is someone I've never even heard of.

    Then again that adds a bit of a learning element to it. Still - I'm clawing round wikipedia for cool images.
  • CrotalusCrotalus Join Date: 2003-12-02 Member: 23871Members
    Agricultural Revolution, this allowed humanity to flourish beyond their natural population barrier. Without this, humanity would still be confined to an extremely small population of one million people. This is one of the "Big Four" events to happen to humanity, which included the Tool Revolution (huge one here), Industrial Revolution, and the Age of Science.

    Discovery of the Universe. After we figured out that there was more than the Solar System, the utter worthlessness of Humanity is revealed.

    Survival of the last Ice Age (actually, not really, because it IS the Ice Age right now, albeit warmer). Whereas MANY animals went extinct, we ended up surviving through. Hopefully we should be able to live through the next one, coming up soon.

    Telephones - globablization possbile
    First Aircraft - globalization becomes a reality
    First Space Travel - penetration of our earthly cradle
    First Intrastellar Spaceprobe - one cannot live in a cradle forever, right?
  • MalevolentMalevolent Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18842Members
    Some more recent things:

    The discovery of DNA/Human Genome Project.

    Some important people in the field of psychology like Freud or Kinsey.

    Maybe certain movies that have had huge impacts (people fainting from The Exorcist, Star Wars, etc) or are considered some of the best movies of all time (Citizen Kane, Casablanca, etc).

    Possibly some past musical groups like The Beatles, Led Zeppelin or The Rolling Stones that have/had huge followings.

    Even some huge TV shows as well.

    Pluto is not a planet anymore.

    9/11 and the war in Iraq. Hussein being hanged.

    Also some things that are related to technology. The personal computer. Windows 95 and the decline of the popularity of Apple computers. The iPod. The internet.
  • XythXyth Avatar Join Date: 2003-11-04 Member: 22312Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1595228:date=Jan 5 2007, 07:48 PM:name=Malevolent)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Malevolent @ Jan 5 2007, 07:48 PM) [snapback]1595228[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->

    9/11 and the war in Iraq. Hussein being hanged.

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    Nah. In the grand scheme of things all three of those events are nothing. The only reason they are so well known is because a world power(s) is involved.
  • UltimaGeckoUltimaGecko hates endnotes Join Date: 2003-05-14 Member: 16320Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1595319:date=Jan 5 2007, 09:54 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Jan 5 2007, 09:54 PM) [snapback]1595319[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Nah. In the grand scheme of things all three of those events are nothing. The only reason they are so well known is because a world power(s) is involved.
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    While I'll agree that Hussein's hanging and the war in Iraq will ultimately be minor events in US and World history, 9/11 has rather drastic effects on world politics and US domestic policies. It's also arguable that the train crash in Spain, the subway bombins in London and other events are slightly related to 9/11. If nothing else, it does signal the US's assault on targets it deems nationally threatening. Unfortunately the far-reaching impact of 9/11 will probably not be realized for years (if indeed it is that significant(. It's like the Seven Years war in American history - it is essentially forgotten in the grand scheme of things, because the American revolution happened so sooon afterwards. The point of me saying this is: don't discount events that have happened so recently as trivial or epic, because it's impossible for us to define their immediate impact. So, in a 'history of the world' I'd be hesitant to include anything from 1995 onwards, as their full impact may not be realized yet. Unfortunately this is a bit counter-intuitive, since recent events are usually the most vivid in our minds and thus take precedence, but that's not necessarily representative of their historical importance.

    Although 9/11 will most likely have a very dramatic effect on American history for years to come. I'd put it far short of Pearl Harbor, but far above...say...the whiskey rebellion. The world impact will most likely be similar to Somalia, the Gulf War (however, it is a bit of an exception, since it's mainly focused on fighting a non-unified enemy, but pretending that enemy is a foreign state...which is just kind of weird).




    In the grand scheme of world history you might want to include farming, as it is a great factor in our success as a species (bringing us abandon nomadic lifestyles, engage in trade and set up civilized societies), so just some picture of primate farming techniques could suffice. Unless you want to focus on mechanized farming, which has had an arguably greater impact, by allowing exponetnial human growth.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1595319:date=Jan 5 2007, 07:54 PM:name=Xyth)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Xyth @ Jan 5 2007, 07:54 PM) [snapback]1595319[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    Nah. In the grand scheme of things all three of those events are nothing. The only reason they are so well known is because a world power(s) is involved.
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    I don't see how you can make any sort of determination on this one way or another, seeing as we haven't even come close to finishing the period of history that 9/11 has changed. Who knows what the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan will mean in the future? The Middle East might get over it, and leave them both as heckholes that America's forever stuck in, or it might drag the whole region in to war. There's just no way to know.
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    That's not something i'm going to put on my wall anyway :p
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    There are a lot of countries at war now. Just because the US is involved in one doesn't make it particularly poignant or historically impressive.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--quoteo(post=1595364:date=Jan 6 2007, 12:01 AM:name=emperor_awesome)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(emperor_awesome @ Jan 6 2007, 12:01 AM) [snapback]1595364[/snapback]</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->
    There are a lot of countries at war now. Just because the US is involved in one doesn't make it particularly poignant or historically impressive.
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    Sure, but some wars end up changing the world and some, well, not so much. Witness the difference between, say, Algeria's war for independence and World War II.
  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    Exactly. The iraq occupation is not ww2. It's not feasible to say "it could DEVELOP into world war 3!" because there is nothing to suggest it could or would. It's like saying it COULD lead to the destruction of the USA. I'd say that's more likely than a ww3 based on iraq.
  • CrisqoCrisqo Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11625Members
    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Basically this thread is dedicated to images any of you think are of note in the history of everything. I'm not religious so i'd take a picture of the big bang over jesus, and i'm also nerdy so science is preferable.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'><!--quotec-->Don't get caught up with the whole science, english, sociology part. I was just trying to say that anything of historical significance is worth noting - don't think of it in terms of each subject as a seperate timeline since history encompases everything.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/confused-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="???" border="0" alt="confused-fix.gif" />

    Oh, I guess you're right. Religious figures have had little to no effect on human history.
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    that's blatantly putting words in my mouth. I said I wasn't religious - why would I want religious icons on my wall. I didn't say that it didn't impact the world I just dont care to acknowledge that since it's not something I recognise as important to me.
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