What's with this scripting?
Sparki_the_Darki
Join Date: 2005-05-11 Member: 51453Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">Should I be running around with them?</div>I'm a bit confused by ppl talking about scripts and I do see that ppl on some servers are hard to kill.
Some shoot with the pistol damn fast while others somehow dodge my bites just by walking in circles - but not by mouse somehow.
Or is there anything to be aware about?
I only remember scripts in CS as a help in buying stuff with one click.
Or are scripts in NS considered major cheat/exploiting ?
$parki
Some shoot with the pistol damn fast while others somehow dodge my bites just by walking in circles - but not by mouse somehow.
Or is there anything to be aware about?
I only remember scripts in CS as a help in buying stuff with one click.
Or are scripts in NS considered major cheat/exploiting ?
$parki
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Sounds like bunny hopping in a circle.
Scripts are part of the game, and do not duplicate anything that cannot be done manually. I suppose there are some people who consider scripts cheating/exploting/whatever, but the vast majority of those people are woefully uninformed.
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Yes, they may "replicate things that can be technically possible to do in real life", however, being able to click a mouse button/move the scroll wheel 10 times, and still maintain full accuracy, is very dubious.
I personally don't believe that scripts replicate what you can do without them. They give access to what the engine is capable of. Which unless every player has it as default, it is classed as an illegal advantage, hence pretty much all the european servers blocking scripts.
Scripts, are basically a US vs the rest of the world style of debate. The Americans, in general, are in favour of scripts, in the belief that it's not a cheat. The rest of the world, most notably European players, are against scripts, for the reason above. It's not something that you would be able to do normally, and you're having to write some form of code to get your game to do that. In that sense, it's technically a cheat.
Take your own stance on this, I'm not going to tell you that they're bad, or that they're good, and neither should anyone else. If you live in the EU, or in a server region that blocks scripts, and you find the odd server in there that does, then don't script something, because the majority of the servers in your area would be blocking them. Like I said, take your own stance on this. I'll just lay down the facts, and the general consensus from each area.
No lashbacks, particularly you, <b>Underwhelmed</b>. I'm just providing information, and not opinion. Let the guy form his own opinion.
Or are scripts in NS considered major cheat/exploiting ?
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almost all servers are bs_1 anyways, so it really doesn't matter.
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I'm a bit confused by ppl talking about scripts
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bad/ignorant players
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I do see that ppl on some servers are hard to kill.
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skill
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Some shoot with the pistol damn fast
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fast fingers/mwheel/macro on bs_1
scripted bs_0
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others somehow dodge my bites just by walking in circles - but not by mouse somehow.
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strafing isn't scripting
Sure, but don't expect them to make a significant difference; they are not as beneficial as some may claim. For more information on scripting, check the <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showforum=62" target="_blank">Scripting Forum</a>.
Note that if the servers you play on have the variable mp_blockscripts set to 1, you will be <a href="http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=99579" target="_blank">limited</a> in the types of scripts you can use, but you can still use many convenience scripts.
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It is entirely feasible to fire the pistol at its maximum rate with good accuracy simply by training your finger. That said, a pistol script can make this easier.
There is no script to dodge bites; this is simple movement, perhaps aided by knowledge of the intricacies of HL movement.
I personally don't believe that custom crosshairs replicate what you can do without them. They give access to what the engine is capable of. Which unless every player has it as default, it is classed as an illegal advantage, hence pretty much all casual players don't have any.
Custom crosshairs, are basically a competitive player vs the rest of the world style of debate. The competitive players, in general, are in favour of custom crosshairs, in the belief that it's not a cheat. The rest of the world, most notably bad players, are against custom crosshairs, for the reason above. It's not something that you would be able to do normally, and you're having to draw some form of crosshair to get your game to do that. In that sense, it's technically a cheat.
Take your own stance on this, I'm not going to tell you that they're bad, or that they're good, and neither should anyone else. Like I said, take your own stance on this. I'll just lay down the facts, and the general consensus from each area.
No lashbacks, particularly you, <b>Lt_Patch</b>. I'm just providing information, and not opinion. Let the guy form his own opinion.
Edit: I FORGOT TO BOLD SOMETHING LOL
However I can agree that automation scripts are exploiting glitches in the game.
But by that same right, bunny hopping and mouse wheel fall in the same category.
But hell, oddly the same crew that b*tches loudest about scripts, will gladly exploit other glitches.
Ideally there wouldn't be glitchy gameplay at all.
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That said, I still do believe that scripts that merely simplify the interface aren't bad.
Fade blinking and then hiting you within 1-2 seconds.
Skulk leaping and then biting you within 1-2 seconds.
Skulk leaping and then xenoing you within 1-2 seconds.
Although these kind of situations are feasible without script, I am finding them hard to do. I only managed to succeed with the leap-xeno type of situations but only 30% of the times. Most of the times I miss is because there so many things going on that I try to hurry up as fast as I can to do this combination but wind up not leaping at all and just xenoing miles away from marines.
I am a lousy fade and when I see fades blinking away from me to then turn in mid air, falling streight on me and then killing me with one blow (focus), well I'm thinking "I can't do that!". The same applies to leap-bite. With leap-xeno, at least I can press xeno first then switch to leap because I have about 3 secs before I explode, so that leaves me more time to leap.
As for the fast pistol, I won't need a script. My finger is fast enough on the mouse to fire 5 times within a second while not moving my aim to much. I had fresh player (to prevent using the N word) calling HAX just because of that.
Also, i'm an European player, and i'm not against script.
I used script because i like to play alien like in the AvP game.
These situations, to me, are most likely done via simple scripts.
Fade blinking and then hiting you within 1-2 seconds.
Skulk leaping and then biting you within 1-2 seconds.
Skulk leaping and then xenoing you within 1-2 seconds.
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are you joking? have you ever used lastinv? ffs with 3.2 you don't even have to switch slots with +movement.
there are absoutely <b>no</b> good players who use a blink/swipe, leap/bite, or (LOL) leap/xeno script.
It just doenst make any difference for good players (they dont play worse because of it).
BS0 is just more convenient, but wont provide more skill than with BS1.
I use scripts myself, but also can do everything without as good as with them.
@sparki:
try to do all these things (fast-pistol, dodging, bunnyhopping etc.) without scripts first. If you got used to it, you can try it with scripts.
But there are times where I just have to join 'em.
Starting with some fps issue/droppage when ppl are nearby.
Or I do hit something but then I see my bullets just bouncing off them like on Superman.
$parkeeeh
Ordinarily I'd whip out my mad MSPaint skills, but the windows key is very far away, and I hate the mice on laptops. Truly they should've left the little balls in the side of screen. So instead of painint with MSPaint, I'll paint with our minds.
Imagine one point in space. Call this space "NS". Outbranching from NS, there are a few groups:
CAL
PubAllStars
CommunityPlayers
In PubAllStars, you'll find people who say these things about scripts:
"omgz if you hatz de skriptz you be da ignorant mofoz!!!1111". These players tend to troll around servers pwning everyone, causing mass histeria, and then calling anyone who doesn't like being pwnd by a unique combination of scripts and skills nubs. These players tend to be arrogant and bothersome, and should be avoided at all costs.
Then, there's CommunityPlayers and CAL. Tehre is an overlap, but first we'll look at solidly community players.
In this group, there's two types: the no scripts, and the scripts.
The no scripts are actually sort of what the PubAllStars accuse them of being; they completely disregard scripts as hacks and if anyone has any script for anything, they will be banned. Granted, there are some people who are opposed to scripts, but respect one's decision to use them. These players are a distinct minority, but they tend to be more levelheaded than those who are downright opposed to scripts. Controversly, the scripters who play in communities tend to be on the smarter side, and don't do much trolling around, just playing. One may wonder why these players don't play CAL, but unfortunately no one can seem to figure out why.
Now there's CAL. Since CAL is dead, CAL just means anyone in a competetive clan.
In CAL, there are a few groups of players:
Damn Good
Gorges (kinda bad tbh)
Mediocre
Mediocre PubAllStars
The Damn Good tend to be quiet, and no one is really sure on their scripting status. Some say that these players are in a huge UnknownWorlds cover up, accusing the players of being bots designed by Flayra himself. No one has found any evidence though, so it's strictly speculation, or at least that's what they want you to think.
The Gorges aren't very good; they do the menial work in matches. Most of them don't script, but every now and then you'll find some that do. These scripters tend to be very smart, and script because they enjoy programming, not because they enjoy pwning. I think this could be a good career to choose if you haven't chosen one yet.
The mediocre is the majority of the players. Some script, some don't. Rarely are there people who think scripts are hacks, and rarely are there people who think that disagreeing with scripts makes you NUBTARDSUPREME.
That leaves Mediocre PubAllStars. These are the guys tat think they're really good at NS, but are in fact mediocre. Nearly all of them script, and if you dare question them they'll berate you with more racist names than you knew existed. While tehre are some PubAllStars in CAL that are good, most are rather bleh, but tend to blame their suckiness on nubs, teams, lag, and my favorite, "reg". When it comes down to it, these players tend to ragequit CAL to find bad servers where they can boost their egos. When you see them, make sure to rub it in their faces when you kill them.
As for me, I don't really care much about anything. In fact, I should be trying to go to bed, but something inspired me to write this half sarcastic/half truthful post to help you make a decision. The point is, if someone dares try to argue with me, I'll either say I'm tired or I was joking, and thus will have won any arguement.
If I were you, I'd take my side in this. How could I lose?
I suck as a rine anyways <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />
But there are times where I just have to join 'em.
Starting with some fps issue/droppage when ppl are nearby.
Or I do hit something but then I see my bullets just bouncing off them like on Superman.
$parkeeeh
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cl_cmdrate 80
cl_updaterate 80
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The last three should work in general.
You forgot one group: The Euros
Shorterned for European players, The Euros tend to dislike scripts because Americans own them and they need an excuse for losing.
I'm European, and I use scripts, as do many others. Perhaps your overly simplistic generalisations are part of the problem.
Oh wait.
Naww, don't mention the world cups or the exhibition matches puzl that's mean. You know as well as I do the americans never fielded their best teams and that's why they lost horribly every time.
Oh wait.
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haha, pwnd
But tbh, they lost because of aimbotting asian players (godon) with high ping and evil speedhackers like sherpa <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/nerd-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="::nerdy::" border="0" alt="nerd-fix.gif" />
That being said, I'll add one more group to CAL: The Patriots, and no, not the New England patriots. I'm a bears fan, and the meer thought of that is proposterous. You're a sick and twisted person tbh.
The Patriots can script or not script; it's typically a "lifestyle choice" as they call it. But what makes them really speshal is the one thing in comon; they all think they're country is the best at NS and shoulkd be proclaimed NS RULING CHAMPION COUNTRY ZOMG CAL FINALS HERE PLZ SO I DONT NEED TO FLY. In arguements, there are usually two sides for The Patriots: "Americans" and "Euros". On both sides, the advocates piously throw the word "SCRIPTERSZZZZZ" around without any real meaning or justification. The Americans tend to claim that they are supremely awesome, because, well, we are supremely awesome. We're ###### America. Eat our dollar, ######. And no, the Euro isn't worth more than the American dollar. Anyone offering Dollar/Euro trades at more than 99cents per Euro is a traitor. They will be flown to Iraq and hung, SaddamStyle. The Europeans, on the other hand, tend to think they're better because they won some bullish rigged contest that I've never even heard of. I mean, WTH is an "NS WOLRD CUP"? This one of those stupid soccer games you euros always watch? And even if you did beat us, it was clearly lag. All you suckafoos use laghacks. Don't think we're not on to you.