After reading up, I'll vote for <b>I'm Lost</b>. It seems to be the most likely explanation as to why you're still alive. I have to say, when you admitted to me that you had been contacted by a guardian, I was expecting to see you dead right now.
I don't believe the case against im lost is conclusive yet. While it is true that it would make sense for the wolves to target im lost on the second night if he was saved on the first, the ways of the wolf are wicked and deceitful, Heck, the guardian could be a wolf, stringing us all along. I'm not prepared to kill im lost yet, so I'm changing my vote to <b>Planetkiller</b> for now.
Also, Mouse: I am currently leading in crazy craziness! Blarharhar! Catch me if you can!
And im lost: Neener, neener, neener! I got the first vote!
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jul 8 2005, 08:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jul 8 2005, 08:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Heck, the guardian could be a wolf, stringing us all along. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ?
Why would the wolves set up an elaborate ploy to get lost lynched when they could just wolf him? It doesn't make much sense. Certainly much less sense than the lost equals wizard argument.
Not really. Chances are good that the lynch will go to a human this early in the game anyway. Not getting that wolf kill really hurts the wolves, as it gives humans and their roles time to form networks.
At the moment, i'm not sure what to think. Theslans argument makes sense, but does have some holes in it. For example, what if the wolves had a decent hunch at who was a special role, and decided to leave a guaranteed kill and go for more viable and still probable one?
He could be making the entire thing up, but i don't see why the wolves would go to such trouble when they could just kill im lost themselves. Therefore, i am inclined to believe him. I'll need to chat with im lost before i make my vote, but things don't look good for him.
Of course there's also the possibility that this is not so much about lynching im lost as it is about not lynching anyone else. As long as we're concentrating on im lost, we're not trying to lynch anyone else. But yeah, it's probably not a wolf plot. Sounds like a bit too much effort just to get one guy killed. Of course, it might be part of a larger picture that we're not seeing yet, too. But meh. Hard to say. I'm still not prepared to vote for im lost though.
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jul 8 2005, 04:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jul 8 2005, 04:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Im blinded by Theslan's science. Still don't have a clue.
P.S. Nice sig lolly. Jerk. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Hey, I'm just quoting you. Don't hold me responsible for YOUR mistakes. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Besides, the quote of mine that Legionnaired had in his sig once was far worse.
<b>i'm Lost</b> has my vote because it makes sense. If you would like to defend yourself a bit clearer then please go ahead. However as a saved human you should have announced yourself and invited the roles to contact you to at least stir up the game and get some information flowing.
The more open we are, the higher our chances of survival against the wolves. Please don't instalynch i'm lost though guys, the longer we string the night out the better our chances of getting some more information.
To be fair, I can see why he didn't announce himself; remember, the guardian chooses two people to protect. One of them could be a wolf or the wizard, and the protected don't know they've been guarded/saved. That's why after he told me that he had been contacted, I didn't make it public; I assumed he would use his unfortunate position to do something.
The fact that he's still alive changes all that, though.
Just a thought here, but there really is no reason for a guarded human to NOT come out in the open the day after being saved (and subsequently contacted anonymously by the guardian). It's not like the wolves don't know who you are....
aww man, just read Snidely's post. I forgot the guardian protects 2 people a night. Ignore my above post plz.... <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-CMEast+Jul 8 2005, 01:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CMEast @ Jul 8 2005, 01:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->However as a saved human you should have announced yourself and invited the roles to contact you to at least stir up the game and get some information flowing.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Announced myself? I didn't have anything useful to say, other than "someone claiming to be the guardian says I was protected, that's all". Unfortunately, I'm not used to actively looking for information, information has always come to me in this game, probably something I should work on, so I didn't even think of publicly declaring that I was contacted by the guardian. Anyway, I'll point back to the part of my conversation with the guardian that I put in bold. <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What positive effect would that have for the wolves, to pretend to protect someone? All it would do is help to confirm a human...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It would cause the human to have more trust in the wolf, for one thing.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+Jul 8 2005, 09:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ Jul 8 2005, 09:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To be fair, I can see why he didn't announce himself; remember, the guardian chooses two people to protect. One of them could be a wolf or the wizard, and the protected don't know they've been guarded/saved. That's why after he told me that he had been contacted, I didn't make it public; I assumed he would use his unfortunate position to do something.
The fact that he's still alive changes all that, though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That just means that he isn't guarenteed to be contacted by the guardian. That doesn't mean he shouldn't say anything as, just like Sky said, once you know the wolves have tried to kill you and will almost certainly get you again the next night then whats the point in keeping quiet. Get as much information out in the open as possible as it will benefit everyone in the end.
well, in all fairness, im_lost said the guardian told him not to share that info unless in trouble. So he only shared it when he was in trouble. Theslan, maybe you can confirm that with the guardian.
But really, the logs <i>say</i> that they were trying to pin it on im_lost... I don't think they're wolves but, like lolfighter, I just don't think the evidence is as damning as it was made out to be.
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The main problem is it's just best guess. Without the Seer actually looking at him first there's no way of knowing for sure.
Although the thing that interests me the most is how im lost didn't want to tell Theslan he had been contacted by the Guardian. Yet as Snidely writes:
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> After reading up, I'll vote for I'm Lost. It seems to be the most likely explanation as to why you're still alive. I have to say, when you admitted to me that you had been contacted by a guardian, I was expecting to see you dead right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So im lost told Snidely he had been contacted but not Theslan? Why would he do this and then give a sole defense for why he would not admit being contacted in general?
<!--QuoteBegin-FreakEightyThree+Jul 8 2005, 04:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FreakEightyThree @ Jul 8 2005, 04:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The main problem is it's just best guess. Without the Seer actually looking at him first there's no way of knowing for sure. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> True. There is a chance i'm lost isn't a bad guy. I just don't think the case against him has more weight than the ones for (either the wolves screwing up and choosing another target, despite the sure kill, or some sort of fiendishly intricate plot). <!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Keep in mind that it is always in the wolve's favour to spread as much confusion as possible.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> ...But for as small a loss as possible. They gain very little from foregoing another night's kill, in order to have someone set up.
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I just don't think the case against him has more weight than the ones for (either the wolves screwing up and choosing another target, despite the sure kill, or some sort of fiendishly intricate plot).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That should read as:
"I just <s>don't</s> think the case against <s>him</s> Lost has more weight than the ones for (either the wolves screwing up and choosing another target, despite the sure kill, or some sort of fiendishly intricate plot)."
Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense, considering what I've been saying. ;P
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Also, Mouse: I am currently leading in crazy craziness! Blarharhar! Catch me if you can!
And im lost: Neener, neener, neener! I got the first vote!
P.S. Nice sig lolly. Jerk.
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Why would the wolves set up an elaborate ploy to get lost lynched when they could just wolf him? It doesn't make much sense. Certainly much less sense than the lost equals wizard argument.
Planetkiller - 1 (Fatal Error)
Fatal Error - 1 (Gwahir)
BadKarma - 1 (Freak83)
Nil IQ - 1 (im lost)
Stukov - 1 (lolfighter)
Interesting...
He could be making the entire thing up, but i don't see why the wolves would go to such trouble when they could just kill im lost themselves. Therefore, i am inclined to believe him. I'll need to chat with im lost before i make my vote, but things don't look good for him.
P.S. Nice sig lolly. Jerk. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hey, I'm just quoting you. Don't hold me responsible for YOUR mistakes. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Besides, the quote of mine that Legionnaired had in his sig once was far worse.
Planetkiller - 1 (Fatal Error)
Fatal Error - 1 (Gwahir)
BadKarma - 2 (Freak83, Sky)
Nil IQ - 1 (im lost)
Stukov - 1 (lolfighter)
Missed my vote there Freak <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And speaking of sigs, I just noticed I'm in Freak's sig. Hehe, nothing like a hearty sex-with-minors quote, eh?
The more open we are, the higher our chances of survival against the wolves. Please don't instalynch i'm lost though guys, the longer we string the night out the better our chances of getting some more information.
The fact that he's still alive changes all that, though.
Announced myself? I didn't have anything useful to say, other than "someone claiming to be the guardian says I was protected, that's all". Unfortunately, I'm not used to actively looking for information, information has always come to me in this game, probably something I should work on, so I didn't even think of publicly declaring that I was contacted by the guardian. Anyway, I'll point back to the part of my conversation with the guardian that I put in bold.
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What positive effect would that have for the wolves, to pretend to protect someone? All it would do is help to confirm a human...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It would cause the human to have more trust in the wolf, for one thing.
The fact that he's still alive changes all that, though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That just means that he isn't guarenteed to be contacted by the guardian. That doesn't mean he shouldn't say anything as, just like Sky said, once you know the wolves have tried to kill you and will almost certainly get you again the next night then whats the point in keeping quiet. Get as much information out in the open as possible as it will benefit everyone in the end.
But really, the logs <i>say</i> that they were trying to pin it on im_lost... I don't think they're wolves but, like lolfighter, I just don't think the evidence is as damning as it was made out to be.
Although the thing that interests me the most is how im lost didn't want to tell Theslan he had been contacted by the Guardian. Yet as Snidely writes:
<!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
After reading up, I'll vote for I'm Lost. It seems to be the most likely explanation as to why you're still alive. I have to say, when you admitted to me that you had been contacted by a guardian, I was expecting to see you dead right now.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So im lost told Snidely he had been contacted but not Theslan? Why would he do this and then give a sole defense for why he would not admit being contacted in general?
True. There is a chance i'm lost isn't a bad guy. I just don't think the case against him has more weight than the ones for (either the wolves screwing up and choosing another target, despite the sure kill, or some sort of fiendishly intricate plot).
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Keep in mind that it is always in the wolve's favour to spread as much confusion as possible.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
...But for as small a loss as possible. They gain very little from foregoing another night's kill, in order to have someone set up.
That should read as:
"I just <s>don't</s> think the case against <s>him</s> Lost has more weight than the ones for (either the wolves screwing up and choosing another target, despite the sure kill, or some sort of fiendishly intricate plot)."
Otherwise, it doesn't make much sense, considering what I've been saying. ;P