<!--QuoteBegin-eliotmat+Jun 17 2005, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eliotmat @ Jun 17 2005, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> As much as I love NS there isn't much hype on anything new. No hype + no major, exciting new content = titanic effect. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well said.
The dev's should have given us something more than "3.1 has some nice balance changes, and Nexus will change the way we play".
As I understand it, Flayra doesn't want people stealing his Nexus idea (what's to stop them stealing it when it's been released?); but the total lack of knowledge over 3.1 (the only thing I know about upcoming versions is 3.0.5; that will no longer have random med drops on the armoury. Wow!...)
I think we are hungry for new stuff. Sure, new hitboxes and stuff is great, but we are your demanding fanbase! We need to know what new things will be introduced to 3.1! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
IMO, the dev team has shot themselves in the foot one too many times. No offense Zunni, you have gone to great lengths to help keep community involvement, but the direction NS is/has taken has overall lost the interest of some of the most dihard fans (me being one).
When a single alien unit can decide the fate of a team, and when only those superior at this lifeform can actually do anything useful with it, it becomes a loss species. And when aliens, who were the rambos, must ambush and attack in groups, and the marines can take multiple aliens solo, the entire gameplay has suffered. I have waited patiently for NS to change back for the better, but I, as many other true NS fans, have decided I'm tired of constant disappointment. I'll probably drop by my favorite communities from time to time, and check out a new release if it seems promising, but NS has past for me. My only hope is that this wonderful idea for a game (RTS/FPS hybrid) will be well done by someone else so I can once again enjoy it, or that NS2 goes back to the beginning and makes for a fun game.
Good luck to the dev team in maintaining this new NS, and good luck to the constant influx of new players. I hope they become as devoted and active in NS as I once was.
I havent touched NS for a long time, ever since CO started to dominate every single server i was playing, soon as an NS classic map LIKE ECLIPSE would start, admin or public vote to change the map to a CO map.
I started playing NS to get away from CS, but once it turned into it, i aint gunna be touching it till NS:S.
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
<!--QuoteBegin-eliotmat+Jun 17 2005, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eliotmat @ Jun 17 2005, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> There have been many major blockbuster games released over the last couple years.
NS and combat have gotten nothing but better since initial releases.
Games like WoW, HL2, Halo2, Doom3, GTA:SA, and now battlefield2 have and are continually stealing many gamers from their old games. WoW alone has taken dozens of regs (and even some of my clan members) from my server.
As much as I love NS there isn't much hype on anything new. No hype + no major, exciting new content = titanic effect.
The NS community eating itself away on the inside doesn't help either. Every time I visit the forums old schoolers are constantly knocking CO and the people that play it. This probably doesn't create a very welcoming atmosphere for new players.
Stop citing CO as the death of NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> QFT.
Forgive me, but i dont see any reason why people keep flaming CO. its not as if there are no more Classic servers because there are absolutly loads.
you dont have to play Combat maps, nor do you have to play classic NS. Personally i enjoy having the option to chose between to game types, and im thankful for that tbh. Im currently into a lot of the custom maps atm, mainly because NS allows new game types within itself, such as siege. Luckily, maps arnt name siege_ otherwise im sure there will be plenty of posts saying "we hate siege" "siege_ killed ns"
in truth, NS is getting a bit old now, and players are leaving for new games, new experiences, and i dont think CO did this.
I think that techologically wise, NS is almost complete. i think its made superb use of the HL1 engine and made a totally origional game concept imo. I think its now time that more attention is focused on the source Engine, which should have been done earlier. But, i guess the dev team wanted to work on the nexus first, and seeing as we generally have had 0 news on what it is, players have become impatient and left. i understand Flayra doesnt want his nexus idea to be stolen, so he will wont tell us till its realesed. which leads me to believe this nexus will be revolutionary, like ns is.
and btw, Depot is doing great work. players arguing plugins are killing ns??? get real please. Plugins are helping to keep ns alive. plugins allow NS to develop under a third party, and attract players to the game. its always nice to have variety when playing ns, and again. you dont have to play on a server with plugins.
i personally have found a server i really enjoy, and only play there now. it has what i like, and has a good community of regulars. for me, ns isnt dead, this is the quiet before the storm. all games go through a period where not much happends and we are lucky that NS is a mod that is constantly being updated. NS was realeased years ago, and still has a lot of players online at any given time. not many other games from the same period as ns can say the same imo.
guys, look foward to the nexus, whatever it is, and ofc NS:S. its true that other games may steal players from ns, but i always eventually find my way back. NS is a one of a kind, and thats why im sure things will pick up, aslong as new changes are made. no game can expect to havernt a constant player count, just doesnt happen. New content = Larger players online. we are currently in the period just before a major update, and thats when we will see all the new players, and old ones return.
douchebagatronCustom member titleJoin Date: 2003-12-20Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
co has driven me away from ns, other games are just a place to go. i was a reg for a long time, and still am an admin on a unaltered co/ns server. wonderful server. when there were people in it. people all the time would join the game on a co map, type /menu, then leave. never enough people for a classic map, except once in a while when enough regs were available for a planned game.
co was originally a good idea. now its destroying the tactics and intellegence that ns was based upon.
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Jun 18 2005, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 18 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The oppisite of a liberal is a socialist.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, just... wow... Go back to school...
QuaunautThe longest seven days in history...Join Date: 2003-03-21Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited June 2005
<!--QuoteBegin-vermifax+Jun 17 2005, 03:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (vermifax @ Jun 17 2005, 03:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We blame co_ because there are more than 2x the servers with co_ on at any moment than ns_. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is false logic.
You have no evidence nor reason to believe that they would be running NS if they weren't running co. Also, feel free to start your own NS only server.
People blaming co for ns woes are looking for a scape got
vermi 'I play both' <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't?
Why don't you go reading other topics, huh? There are many others, not myself, who've done tests at different times of the day for long periods of time: The facts prove, there are consistently more servers with players on them playing co_ than ns_. Try knowing your facts before bashing a regular, nub.
I was also just saying thats the reason. I included myself in it because I enjoy NS much more than co, and always have.
Seriously, some of you 'lurkers' are full of yourselves.
Edit: Hell, scratch that last comment. Too many people on these boards are full of themselves and need to shut their face. People attacking Depot at all is f***ing ridiculous, and the fact that people continue to complain one way or the other is effing ridiculous. Why don't we stop fighting eachother and try and get more friends to play, or maybe get involved in the competitive community, or maybe, heres a concept, stop being stuck up **** who act like their better just because they play an obscure half-life mod? Lets try and help people like we did in 1.0, instead of this "we are superior" ****.
Edit: Excuse the cursing and anger in this, this just really, REALLY pisses me off.
<!--QuoteBegin-N1Rampage+Jun 21 2005, 10:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N1Rampage @ Jun 21 2005, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Jun 18 2005, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 18 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The oppisite of a liberal is a socialist.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, just... wow... Go back to school... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I... will now... respond uselessly... with flamebait... and tons of... elipses...
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Jun 22 2005, 12:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 22 2005, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-N1Rampage+Jun 21 2005, 10:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N1Rampage @ Jun 21 2005, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Jun 18 2005, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 18 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The oppisite of a liberal is a socialist.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, just... wow... Go back to school... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I... will now... respond uselessly... with flamebait... and tons of... elipses...
Learn a little bit before posting thanks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Something being liberal IS BEING SOCIALIST.
Liberal, in terms of politics, refers to something usually encaged with social engineering or social development through all means neccisary (usually through money). They also try to pass bills that affect public safety and dissassemble the status quo of social structure and inequality. Affirmitive action and non-smoking laws are examples of stuff they push, let alone pork-barrel spending for education and public health care.
In all: Spending is mostly geared to public-works and SOCIAL issues/spending.
However, the big flaw: Feel-good legislation. Legislation that doesn't change a thing and only hurts those who have always been in the confides of the law. Sometimes they cross what is constitutional and kicks the sides to those who think the Constitution, rights, and Amendments are solid right's of man, shall not be changed or infringed.
Liberals feels, often times, that the government and Constituition (highest law of the land) are living things and documents, meaning they are to evolve over time and be changed, which is a BIG NO NO. Moreover, they lean more for a federalist system over a confederal or right's of states set-up/system.
Assuming that we're talking about American style democracies here, constitutions and laws do change and evolve over time. This is why there are amendments to constitutions, and why for example these days slavery is illegal in the United States. When the document was written, slavery was acceptable, but after some time it was not. Thus, it evolved to suit the times. So I'm not entirely sure what you ment by that being a BIG NO NO. Attitudes, social values and ethics all change with time, and it only makes sense that laws change accordingly.
In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with CO, but the fact that it helps harbor the more unwilling-to-learn players, which have no concept of teamwork and never attempt to learn classic.
<b>RadForChrist</b> and <b>6john</b> has spoken the words on this lurkers mind, and they have spoken them well.
They are right back in the day NS was new, NS was odd, NS was intresting, nowadays NS is old. Add the new playerbase of guys who just want to point, click, and see blood and you got something that isnt fun to play. I still play NS, but very rarely, I dont think you will see this tent roaming around anymore. And i must admit, it would be cool to have something more than "Nexus will change the way we play." NS is weak, is it dying? No but like someone said, Cranky cal players and noobs(not exact, I'm too lazy to find the exact post.) will eventually kill it, and it wont be cool.
I'm not trying to sound mean to the guys who made NS. Clearly you guys have a ****ing kickass game and idea, hell, you guys did what C'n'C tried, and THEY were funded, part of a big company, and did it after NS. NS is a great game, but great ideas, were really bad ideas...
EDIT: Forgot to mention those plugins designed to make the game more fun... lets go back in time and shoot the man who created them, lvl 15 CO is okay, but 50? Are there even 50 things to get? And exp for free? LAZY! No challange at all, and a game needs challange to be a game.
I think that the glut of plug-ins is kinda hurting ns... it used to be just the unstuck plugin, if you wanted a screwed up version you joined the voogru servers and shot people with siege cannons. Now at least 50% of the servers have a load of stupid plugins on them. Instead of letting the creators have a stable base to observe and determine how to make the game better, you have a bunch of hacked together modifications to sugarcoat the game for people.
<!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Jun 23 2005, 02:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Jun 23 2005, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think that the glut of plug-ins is kinda hurting ns... it used to be just the unstuck plugin, if you wanted a screwed up version you joined the voogru servers and shot people with siege cannons. Now at least 50% of the servers have a load of stupid plugins on them. Instead of letting the creators have a stable base to observe and determine how to make the game better, you have a bunch of hacked together modifications to sugarcoat the game for people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If there is a demand.......someone will deliver the supply. You call them stupid mods, but I call it variety.
The one thing that really confuses me is that there is a choice that players make when they load up NS, primarily Classic & Combat.
Now who is it who makes that choice? Well the player of course, and if that player decides to play combat then he/she will, who are you to tell them not to?
If the avid CO players are suddenly denied combat do you really think that most would return to Classic?
Be happy with the people who are still playing Classic alongside you and encourage the newbies who give it a go.
Also saying its other games is probably relatively true one of those new games is Combat, and the recent boom in Mulitplayer gaming would take a large part of the blame.
It feels like 1942.
Also my prefference has to be classic, but I a round of combat everynow and then loosens you up for a big classic game.
<!--QuoteBegin-eliotmat+Jun 23 2005, 04:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eliotmat @ Jun 23 2005, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Jun 23 2005, 02:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Jun 23 2005, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think that the glut of plug-ins is kinda hurting ns... it used to be just the unstuck plugin, if you wanted a screwed up version you joined the voogru servers and shot people with siege cannons. Now at least 50% of the servers have a load of stupid plugins on them. Instead of letting the creators have a stable base to observe and determine how to make the game better, you have a bunch of hacked together modifications to sugarcoat the game for people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If there is a demand.......someone will deliver the supply. You call them stupid mods, but I call it variety. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> there was no demand until people started making them, sigh
<!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Jun 23 2005, 05:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Jun 23 2005, 05:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-eliotmat+Jun 23 2005, 04:22 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (eliotmat @ Jun 23 2005, 04:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Jun 23 2005, 02:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Jun 23 2005, 02:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think that the glut of plug-ins is kinda hurting ns... it used to be just the unstuck plugin, if you wanted a screwed up version you joined the voogru servers and shot people with siege cannons. Now at least 50% of the servers have a load of stupid plugins on them. Instead of letting the creators have a stable base to observe and determine how to make the game better, you have a bunch of hacked together modifications to sugarcoat the game for people. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If there is a demand.......someone will deliver the supply. You call them stupid mods, but I call it variety. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> there was no demand until people started making them, sigh <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You're right. I'm wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-N1Rampage+Jun 22 2005, 01:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N1Rampage @ Jun 22 2005, 01:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Jun 22 2005, 12:03 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 22 2005, 12:03 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-N1Rampage+Jun 21 2005, 10:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N1Rampage @ Jun 21 2005, 10:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Jun 18 2005, 12:30 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 18 2005, 12:30 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The oppisite of a liberal is a socialist.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow, just... wow... Go back to school... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I... will now... respond uselessly... with flamebait... and tons of... elipses...
Learn a little bit before posting thanks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Something being liberal IS BEING SOCIALIST.
Liberal, in terms of politics, refers to something usually encaged with social engineering or social development through all means neccisary (usually through money). They also try to pass bills that affect public safety and dissassemble the status quo of social structure and inequality. Affirmitive action and non-smoking laws are examples of stuff they push, let alone pork-barrel spending for education and public health care.
In all: Spending is mostly geared to public-works and SOCIAL issues/spending.
However, the big flaw: Feel-good legislation. Legislation that doesn't change a thing and only hurts those who have always been in the confides of the law. Sometimes they cross what is constitutional and kicks the sides to those who think the Constitution, rights, and Amendments are solid right's of man, shall not be changed or infringed.
Liberals feels, often times, that the government and Constituition (highest law of the land) are living things and documents, meaning they are to evolve over time and be changed, which is a BIG NO NO. Moreover, they lean more for a federalist system over a confederal or right's of states set-up/system. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You should really learn your definitions.
The media today have construted the word liberal into something 100% differnt than it's academia term.
Liberal is not the oppisite of conservative.
Liberal is oppisite of socialist, and conservative is oppisite of radical.
Liberalism is belief in liberty, man being able to make themselves, a society based on merit and what they earn to be theirs. Liberalism also means a strong support of capitalism. Today's so called liberals in the united states (Note, liberals in every other part of the word, from Europe to Australia are more fit to the true definition of liberalism) are anything BUT liberal, believing in socialist policies being nessesary to fix parts of society. True liberals are minimum taxation, maximum property rights, and social programs would never exist.
A conservative is one who believes in slow, gradual change, whereas a radical belives in abrupt change. Example: (Leaders of American revolution who founded the constitution = radical liberals. Lenin his russian revolution followers were radical socialists, also known as communists.) Today's democrats in america are actually conservative socialists and conservative liberals. Republicans would fall under radical (though nothing too radical) liberals, and conservative liberals.
This is basic knowledge. However, most Americans do not know this. (Myself included untill not too long ago) But like I originally said on my first post in this thread,
<!--QuoteBegin-Roberto+Jun 23 2005, 03:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Roberto @ Jun 23 2005, 03:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I think that the glut of plug-ins is kinda hurting ns... it used to be just the unstuck plugin, if you wanted a screwed up version you joined the voogru servers and shot people with siege cannons. Now at least 50% of the servers have a load of stupid plugins on them. Instead of letting the creators have a stable base to observe and determine how to make the game better, you have a bunch of hacked together modifications to sugarcoat the game for people. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href='http://www.modns.org/forums/index.php?act=idx' target='_blank'>morNS.org</a> ... ain't it kool? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Jun 23 2005, 06:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 23 2005, 06:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You should really learn your definitions.
The media today have construted the word liberal into something 100% differnt than it's academia term.
Liberal is not the oppisite of conservative.
Liberal is oppisite of socialist, and conservative is oppisite of radical.
Liberalism is belief in liberty, man being able to make themselves, a society based on merit and what they earn to be theirs. Liberalism also means a strong support of capitalism. Today's so called liberals in the united states (Note, liberals in every other part of the word, from Europe to Australia are more fit to the true definition of liberalism) are anything BUT liberal, believing in socialist policies being nessesary to fix parts of society. True liberals are minimum taxation, maximum property rights, and social programs would never exist.
A conservative is one who believes in slow, gradual change, whereas a radical belives in abrupt change. Example: (Leaders of American revolution who founded the constitution = radical liberals. Lenin his russian revolution followers were radical socialists, also known as communists.) Today's democrats in america are actually conservative socialists and conservative liberals. Republicans would fall under radical (though nothing too radical) liberals, and conservative liberals.
This is basic knowledge. However, most Americans do not know this. (Myself included untill not too long ago) But like I originally said on my first post in this thread,
"Just being an ideology nazi" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What the hell? Liberal in terms of <i>politics</i> IS WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
1. I don't think you are from the U.S.
2. I think you got liberalism and libratarianism mixed up.
3. I don't think you've ever read anything, see voting paterns, know who did what on different subjects, and so on and so forth.
4. PLEASE tell me where you got your facts from, because you need to un-bookmark that site or explore more into the subject matter.
5. I know for a fact that I have WAY more experience in the matter, after 6 years of Youth & Government, studying political sciences, taking trips to the Capital and State Capital and speaking to various people, working with campaigns, and going to minor in the subject.
CO is not the death... but the downfall of NS. The introduction of CO was the first step, and step by step it turns more and more into some Deathmatch... counterstrike... god i can't even describe it... <b>THING</b>.
I cite the numerous and growing "OLOLLOLOLOL 50 LEVELS UBER UPGRADEPOWERUP" servers as proof of this.
I myself feel NS needs new blood injected into it... but what plays on those servers is pure poison.
Edit: What i'm trying to say is... NS took a step away from it's RTS/FPS roots and it fell face first into a pile of rusty nails.
<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+Jun 24 2005, 11:32 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Jun 24 2005, 11:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> fell face first into a pile of rusty nails. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Me too... It really really hurt... Co started the killing, Plugins are finishing it...
If I didn't know better I'd say you're all a bunch of women, judging from the amount of complaining you all do.
I've said this so, so many times (infact, if you want a better version of what im about to say just view all my posts and you'll see them) and it looks like I'll have to say it again. NS Combat is not killing a thing. The people who love combat, and love 50 levels with /menu stay in those servers -- they do not go into 24/7 Classic servers so how can they be the main force behind what is 'killing' NS Classic when they go no where near it.
Also, I think you're all looking at this wrong. Why do you think that there are so many combat servers? It's becuase Classic pretty much blows for the average pub player. (note: none of are you average pub players, as most average pub players dont take the time to post on the forums - they dont care enough) Once again - I do not see how Combat is to blame for Classic sucking. The game might be fun, if the game promoted teamwork. Classic does not promote teamwork at all - it puts the burden of teamwork (yes, it's a burden when you're in a pub game) all on the players - all of it. An angry commander screaming at marines is hardly teamwork.
<!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+Jun 24 2005, 03:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ Jun 24 2005, 03:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If I didn't know better I'd say you're all a bunch of women, judging from the amount of complaining you all do.
I've said this so, so many times (infact, if you want a better version of what im about to say just view all my posts and you'll see them) and it looks like I'll have to say it again. NS Combat is not killing a thing. The people who love combat, and love 50 levels with /menu stay in those servers -- they do not go into 24/7 Classic servers so how can they be the main force behind what is 'killing' NS Classic when they go no where near it.
Also, I think you're all looking at this wrong. Why do you think that there are so many combat servers? It's becuase Classic pretty much blows for the average pub player. (note: none of are you average pub players, as most average pub players dont take the time to post on the forums - they dont care enough) Once again - I do not see how Combat is to blame for Classic sucking. The game might be fun, if the game promoted teamwork. Classic does not promote teamwork at all - it puts the burden of teamwork (yes, it's a burden when you're in a pub game) all on the players - all of it. An angry commander screaming at marines is hardly teamwork. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How is it... that a game draws in the most new players? Especially a MODIFICATION of a game this old?
word of mouth.
These people are either:
A.) Staying in the server completely ignoring/not knowing Classic exists. When a friend comes by and asks how this HL modification called NS is... this person will only know of combat and it's plugins. "Team Deathmatch with aliens" is that how you want people new to NS be introduced to it?
B.) Going into classic... refusing to learn... and then continuing to play combat. There was a different gamemode in counterstrike... one that I actually thought was innovative and unique. It was called "escape", terrorists had to escape from jail and make it to a exit zone. These same types of people refused to learn, and this game type died along with my enjoyment of counterstrike. I tried multipul times on the old www.counter-strike.net (gee... I wonder what type of cesspool that has turned into by now?) forums... advocating this game type. Of course with every thread i created there were at least 800 nubs with the mindset of deathmatching calling the game mode "Lame" "Like counterstrike but you can't buy guns." and "boring". People didn't even give the thing a try.
Also I'm surprised you completely ignore the fact that NS and combat are forced to share the same skills and abilities. <b>SACRIFICES</b> HAVE BEEN MADE TO ACCOMIDATE COMBAT. You have no troubles with this?!?!??
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Well said.
The dev's should have given us something more than "3.1 has some nice balance changes, and Nexus will change the way we play".
As I understand it, Flayra doesn't want people stealing his Nexus idea (what's to stop them stealing it when it's been released?); but the total lack of knowledge over 3.1 (the only thing I know about upcoming versions is 3.0.5; that will no longer have random med drops on the armoury. Wow!...)
I think we are hungry for new stuff. Sure, new hitboxes and stuff is great, but we are your demanding fanbase! We need to know what new things will be introduced to 3.1! <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
When a single alien unit can decide the fate of a team, and when only those superior at this lifeform can actually do anything useful with it, it becomes a loss species. And when aliens, who were the rambos, must ambush and attack in groups, and the marines can take multiple aliens solo, the entire gameplay has suffered. I have waited patiently for NS to change back for the better, but I, as many other true NS fans, have decided I'm tired of constant disappointment. I'll probably drop by my favorite communities from time to time, and check out a new release if it seems promising, but NS has past for me. My only hope is that this wonderful idea for a game (RTS/FPS hybrid) will be well done by someone else so I can once again enjoy it, or that NS2 goes back to the beginning and makes for a fun game.
Good luck to the dev team in maintaining this new NS, and good luck to the constant influx of new players. I hope they become as devoted and active in NS as I once was.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Edit: Evil spelling monkeys...</span>
I started playing NS to get away from CS, but once it turned into it, i aint gunna be touching it till NS:S.
NS and combat have gotten nothing but better since initial releases.
Games like WoW, HL2, Halo2, Doom3, GTA:SA, and now battlefield2 have and are continually stealing many gamers from their old games. WoW alone has taken dozens of regs (and even some of my clan members) from my server.
As much as I love NS there isn't much hype on anything new. No hype + no major, exciting new content = titanic effect.
The NS community eating itself away on the inside doesn't help either. Every time I visit the forums old schoolers are constantly knocking CO and the people that play it. This probably doesn't create a very welcoming atmosphere for new players.
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QFT.
Me, i just try to play other games at some times so i don't quit any game that i like.
you dont have to play Combat maps, nor do you have to play classic NS. Personally i enjoy having the option to chose between to game types, and im thankful for that tbh. Im currently into a lot of the custom maps atm, mainly because NS allows new game types within itself, such as siege. Luckily, maps arnt name siege_ otherwise im sure there will be plenty of posts saying "we hate siege" "siege_ killed ns"
in truth, NS is getting a bit old now, and players are leaving for new games, new experiences, and i dont think CO did this.
I think that techologically wise, NS is almost complete. i think its made superb use of the HL1 engine and made a totally origional game concept imo. I think its now time that more attention is focused on the source Engine, which should have been done earlier. But, i guess the dev team wanted to work on the nexus first, and seeing as we generally have had 0 news on what it is, players have become impatient and left. i understand Flayra doesnt want his nexus idea to be stolen, so he will wont tell us till its realesed. which leads me to believe this nexus will be revolutionary, like ns is.
and btw, Depot is doing great work. players arguing plugins are killing ns??? get real please. Plugins are helping to keep ns alive. plugins allow NS to develop under a third party, and attract players to the game. its always nice to have variety when playing ns, and again. you dont have to play on a server with plugins.
i personally have found a server i really enjoy, and only play there now. it has what i like, and has a good community of regulars. for me, ns isnt dead, this is the quiet before the storm. all games go through a period where not much happends and we are lucky that NS is a mod that is constantly being updated. NS was realeased years ago, and still has a lot of players online at any given time. not many other games from the same period as ns can say the same imo.
guys, look foward to the nexus, whatever it is, and ofc NS:S. its true that other games may steal players from ns, but i always eventually find my way back. NS is a one of a kind, and thats why im sure things will pick up, aslong as new changes are made. no game can expect to havernt a constant player count, just doesnt happen. New content = Larger players online. we are currently in the period just before a major update, and thats when we will see all the new players, and old ones return.
co was originally a good idea. now its destroying the tactics and intellegence that ns was based upon.
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Wow, just... wow... Go back to school...
This is false logic.
You have no evidence nor reason to believe that they would be running NS if they weren't running co. Also, feel free to start your own NS only server.
People blaming co for ns woes are looking for a scape got
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I don't?
Why don't you go reading other topics, huh? There are many others, not myself, who've done tests at different times of the day for long periods of time: The facts prove, there are consistently more servers with players on them playing co_ than ns_. Try knowing your facts before bashing a regular, nub.
I was also just saying thats the reason. I included myself in it because I enjoy NS much more than co, and always have.
Seriously, some of you 'lurkers' are full of yourselves.
Edit: Hell, scratch that last comment. Too many people on these boards are full of themselves and need to shut their face. People attacking Depot at all is f***ing ridiculous, and the fact that people continue to complain one way or the other is effing ridiculous. Why don't we stop fighting eachother and try and get more friends to play, or maybe get involved in the competitive community, or maybe, heres a concept, stop being stuck up **** who act like their better just because they play an obscure half-life mod? Lets try and help people like we did in 1.0, instead of this "we are superior" ****.
Edit: Excuse the cursing and anger in this, this just really, REALLY pisses me off.
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Wow, just... wow... Go back to school... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I... will now... respond uselessly... with flamebait... and tons of... elipses...
Learn a little bit before posting thanks.
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Wow, just... wow... Go back to school... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I... will now... respond uselessly... with flamebait... and tons of... elipses...
Learn a little bit before posting thanks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Something being liberal IS BEING SOCIALIST.
Liberal, in terms of politics, refers to something usually encaged with social engineering or social development through all means neccisary (usually through money). They also try to pass bills that affect public safety and dissassemble the status quo of social structure and inequality. Affirmitive action and non-smoking laws are examples of stuff they push, let alone pork-barrel spending for education and public health care.
In all: Spending is mostly geared to public-works and SOCIAL issues/spending.
However, the big flaw: Feel-good legislation. Legislation that doesn't change a thing and only hurts those who have always been in the confides of the law. Sometimes they cross what is constitutional and kicks the sides to those who think the Constitution, rights, and Amendments are solid right's of man, shall not be changed or infringed.
Liberals feels, often times, that the government and Constituition (highest law of the land) are living things and documents, meaning they are to evolve over time and be changed, which is a BIG NO NO. Moreover, they lean more for a federalist system over a confederal or right's of states set-up/system.
They are right back in the day NS was new, NS was odd, NS was intresting, nowadays NS is old. Add the new playerbase of guys who just want to point, click, and see blood and you got something that isnt fun to play. I still play NS, but very rarely, I dont think you will see this tent roaming around anymore. And i must admit, it would be cool to have something more than "Nexus will change the way we play."
NS is weak, is it dying? No but like someone said, Cranky cal players and noobs(not exact, I'm too lazy to find the exact post.) will eventually kill it, and it wont be cool.
I'm not trying to sound mean to the guys who made NS. Clearly you guys have a ****ing kickass game and idea, hell, you guys did what C'n'C tried, and THEY were funded, part of a big company, and did it after NS.
NS is a great game, but great ideas, were really bad ideas...
EDIT: Forgot to mention those plugins designed to make the game more fun...
lets go back in time and shoot the man who created them, lvl 15 CO is okay, but 50? Are there even 50 things to get? And exp for free? LAZY! No challange at all, and a game needs challange to be a game.
If there is a demand.......someone will deliver the supply. You call them stupid mods, but I call it variety.
Now who is it who makes that choice? Well the player of course, and if that player decides to play combat then he/she will, who are you to tell them not to?
If the avid CO players are suddenly denied combat do you really think that most would return to Classic?
Be happy with the people who are still playing Classic alongside you and encourage the newbies who give it a go.
Also saying its other games is probably relatively true one of those new games is Combat, and the recent boom in Mulitplayer gaming would take a large part of the blame.
It feels like 1942.
Also my prefference has to be classic, but I a round of combat everynow and then loosens you up for a big classic game.
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there was no demand until people started making them, sigh
If there is a demand.......someone will deliver the supply. You call them stupid mods, but I call it variety. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
there was no demand until people started making them, sigh <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're right. I'm wrong.
NEXT!
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Wow, just... wow... Go back to school... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I... will now... respond uselessly... with flamebait... and tons of... elipses...
Learn a little bit before posting thanks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Something being liberal IS BEING SOCIALIST.
Liberal, in terms of politics, refers to something usually encaged with social engineering or social development through all means neccisary (usually through money). They also try to pass bills that affect public safety and dissassemble the status quo of social structure and inequality. Affirmitive action and non-smoking laws are examples of stuff they push, let alone pork-barrel spending for education and public health care.
In all: Spending is mostly geared to public-works and SOCIAL issues/spending.
However, the big flaw: Feel-good legislation. Legislation that doesn't change a thing and only hurts those who have always been in the confides of the law. Sometimes they cross what is constitutional and kicks the sides to those who think the Constitution, rights, and Amendments are solid right's of man, shall not be changed or infringed.
Liberals feels, often times, that the government and Constituition (highest law of the land) are living things and documents, meaning they are to evolve over time and be changed, which is a BIG NO NO. Moreover, they lean more for a federalist system over a confederal or right's of states set-up/system. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
You should really learn your definitions.
The media today have construted the word liberal into something 100% differnt than it's academia term.
Liberal is not the oppisite of conservative.
Liberal is oppisite of socialist, and conservative is oppisite of radical.
Liberalism is belief in liberty, man being able to make themselves, a society based on merit and what they earn to be theirs. Liberalism also means a strong support of capitalism. Today's so called liberals in the united states (Note, liberals in every other part of the word, from Europe to Australia are more fit to the true definition of liberalism) are anything BUT liberal, believing in socialist policies being nessesary to fix parts of society. True liberals are minimum taxation, maximum property rights, and social programs would never exist.
A conservative is one who believes in slow, gradual change, whereas a radical belives in abrupt change. Example: (Leaders of American revolution who founded the constitution = radical liberals. Lenin his russian revolution followers were radical socialists, also known as communists.)
Today's democrats in america are actually conservative socialists and conservative liberals. Republicans would fall under radical (though nothing too radical) liberals, and conservative liberals.
This is basic knowledge. However, most Americans do not know this. (Myself included untill not too long ago) But like I originally said on my first post in this thread,
"Just being an ideology nazi"
<a href='http://www.modns.org/forums/index.php?act=idx' target='_blank'>morNS.org</a> ... ain't it kool? <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The media today have construted the word liberal into something 100% differnt than it's academia term.
Liberal is not the oppisite of conservative.
Liberal is oppisite of socialist, and conservative is oppisite of radical.
Liberalism is belief in liberty, man being able to make themselves, a society based on merit and what they earn to be theirs. Liberalism also means a strong support of capitalism. Today's so called liberals in the united states (Note, liberals in every other part of the word, from Europe to Australia are more fit to the true definition of liberalism) are anything BUT liberal, believing in socialist policies being nessesary to fix parts of society. True liberals are minimum taxation, maximum property rights, and social programs would never exist.
A conservative is one who believes in slow, gradual change, whereas a radical belives in abrupt change. Example: (Leaders of American revolution who founded the constitution = radical liberals. Lenin his russian revolution followers were radical socialists, also known as communists.)
Today's democrats in america are actually conservative socialists and conservative liberals. Republicans would fall under radical (though nothing too radical) liberals, and conservative liberals.
This is basic knowledge. However, most Americans do not know this. (Myself included untill not too long ago) But like I originally said on my first post in this thread,
"Just being an ideology nazi" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What the hell? Liberal in terms of <i>politics</i> IS WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
1. I don't think you are from the U.S.
2. I think you got liberalism and libratarianism mixed up.
3. I don't think you've ever read anything, see voting paterns, know who did what on different subjects, and so on and so forth.
4. PLEASE tell me where you got your facts from, because you need to un-bookmark that site or explore more into the subject matter.
5. I know for a fact that I have WAY more experience in the matter, after 6 years of Youth & Government, studying political sciences, taking trips to the Capital and State Capital and speaking to various people, working with campaigns, and going to minor in the subject.
point?
I know of modns, I have an account there, I just see it as a waste.
I cite the numerous and growing "OLOLLOLOLOL 50 LEVELS UBER UPGRADEPOWERUP" servers as proof of this.
I myself feel NS needs new blood injected into it... but what plays on those servers is pure poison.
Edit: What i'm trying to say is... NS took a step away from it's RTS/FPS roots and it fell face first into a pile of rusty nails.
Me too... It really really hurt...
Co started the killing, Plugins are finishing it...
I've said this so, so many times (infact, if you want a better version of what im about to say just view all my posts and you'll see them) and it looks like I'll have to say it again. NS Combat is not killing a thing. The people who love combat, and love 50 levels with /menu stay in those servers -- they do not go into 24/7 Classic servers so how can they be the main force behind what is 'killing' NS Classic when they go no where near it.
Also, I think you're all looking at this wrong. Why do you think that there are so many combat servers? It's becuase Classic pretty much blows for the average pub player. (note: none of are you average pub players, as most average pub players dont take the time to post on the forums - they dont care enough) Once again - I do not see how Combat is to blame for Classic sucking. The game might be fun, if the game promoted teamwork. Classic does not promote teamwork at all - it puts the burden of teamwork (yes, it's a burden when you're in a pub game) all on the players - all of it. An angry commander screaming at marines is hardly teamwork.
I've said this so, so many times (infact, if you want a better version of what im about to say just view all my posts and you'll see them) and it looks like I'll have to say it again. NS Combat is not killing a thing. The people who love combat, and love 50 levels with /menu stay in those servers -- they do not go into 24/7 Classic servers so how can they be the main force behind what is 'killing' NS Classic when they go no where near it.
Also, I think you're all looking at this wrong. Why do you think that there are so many combat servers? It's becuase Classic pretty much blows for the average pub player. (note: none of are you average pub players, as most average pub players dont take the time to post on the forums - they dont care enough) Once again - I do not see how Combat is to blame for Classic sucking. The game might be fun, if the game promoted teamwork. Classic does not promote teamwork at all - it puts the burden of teamwork (yes, it's a burden when you're in a pub game) all on the players - all of it. An angry commander screaming at marines is hardly teamwork. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
How is it... that a game draws in the most new players? Especially a MODIFICATION of a game this old?
word of mouth.
These people are either:
A.) Staying in the server completely ignoring/not knowing Classic exists. When a friend comes by and asks how this HL modification called NS is... this person will only know of combat and it's plugins. "Team Deathmatch with aliens" is that how you want people new to NS be introduced to it?
B.) Going into classic... refusing to learn... and then continuing to play combat. There was a different gamemode in counterstrike... one that I actually thought was innovative and unique. It was called "escape", terrorists had to escape from jail and make it to a exit zone. These same types of people refused to learn, and this game type died along with my enjoyment of counterstrike. I tried multipul times on the old www.counter-strike.net (gee... I wonder what type of cesspool that has turned into by now?) forums... advocating this game type. Of course with every thread i created there were at least 800 nubs with the mindset of deathmatching calling the game mode "Lame" "Like counterstrike but you can't buy guns." and "boring". People didn't even give the thing a try.
Also I'm surprised you completely ignore the fact that NS and combat are forced to share the same skills and abilities. <b>SACRIFICES</b> HAVE BEEN MADE TO ACCOMIDATE COMBAT. You have no troubles with this?!?!??