OMG I can't believe that. Yes, he expressed his opinions, yes, it may not please you. He may flamed a bit but, but that doesen't mean you have to flame him too. One said, what he thinks of that opinione, another wasted our time by telling that he doesen't like his opinion and a couple of other guys followed that path of stupidity. One is ok, two are ok too, but it's just stupid when everyone repeats the same thing all the time.
<!--QuoteBegin-todd1Ok+Jun 15 2005, 10:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (todd1Ok @ Jun 15 2005, 10:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so, anyone else get tired of taking the devs **** about how "ns is gonna be balanced" and "ns on the my games list" and "the bus", and up and quit ns?
no?
must just be a "me" thing then.
I myself got sick of hearing the devs and their fanboys promises. im sick of the way this game is balanced for the average joe and not for johnny come-hardcore.
im sick of the way all of the devs promises, some years old, have not come true.
im sick of the way were constantly kept int he dark about pretty much everything.
im pretty much sick of ns, and the constant **** thrown around on these forums. if you guys ever do actually manage to balance this game for clanners and pubbers alike, ill come back and play.
and for all those minions: i know the devs dont owe me a god damn thing. i know they have their own ways. but im tired of it. so yea. so long. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Amen.
moultanoCreator of ns_shiva.Join Date: 2002-12-14Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
<!--QuoteBegin-Fangs+Jun 16 2005, 12:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fangs @ Jun 16 2005, 12:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well thats too bad 3.1 might as well be called 4.0. So many great changes are being implimented, that effect the look, feel and address some issues that have plaged NS for many many builds. I sadly cant talk about them but I can assure you and everyone interested that 3.1 is going to attract a whole new wave of players for all the right reasons.
its like Flayra has said before, "Please everybody, thats impossible." But this build gets about as close to that ideal as ive seen yet.
<!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='siege.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Man, you guys have some serious issue with scope creep it seems.
To any of the devs, are smaller client updates seen to be of any value, or is the objective to make every client update have a wealth of new features to make sure people find it worth downloading? There hasn't been a small client update in the history of NS.
I don't know if it would be possible to pull this off with the way the code is structured, but it seems like it would make more sense to release bugfixing and balancing client updates as they become available rather than letting everything langish until an entire new feature set is implemented and polished.
tankefuglOne Script To Rule Them All...Trondheim, NorwayJoin Date: 2002-11-14Member: 8641Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
We have so far been releasing monthly server updates for balancing. Small client updates is the kind of thing most people don't want to bother with, even though they may have some new cool features. Splitting the community to different versions is not something we want, but it's way too easy to accomplish.
Besides, the distribution and release itself is not something that doesn't take time. The more frequent we do it, the more time we spend doing it, and the less time we have working on this.
moultanoCreator of ns_shiva.Join Date: 2002-12-14Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
Makes sense, although personally, I think I would prefer having a bugfixing/balancing only branch released halfway through the timeline between major feature releases.
<!--QuoteBegin-typical skeleton+Jun 16 2005, 01:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (typical skeleton @ Jun 16 2005, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Er... well it makes sense to let the GOOD players go Lerk, Fade, etc, and the bad players do the "grunt work". Unfortunately, a lot of good players ARE forced to drop hives and chambers now, and it actually hurts the game a lot for the aliens.
It's difficult to "help" these guys when they won't even listen. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Gotta love the 5min fade yelling for the hive to be dropped.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dogg+Jun 16 2005, 06:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dogg @ Jun 16 2005, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-typical skeleton+Jun 16 2005, 01:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (typical skeleton @ Jun 16 2005, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Er... well it makes sense to let the GOOD players go Lerk, Fade, etc, and the bad players do the "grunt work". Unfortunately, a lot of good players ARE forced to drop hives and chambers now, and it actually hurts the game a lot for the aliens.
It's difficult to "help" these guys when they won't even listen. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Gotta love the 5min fade yelling for the hive to be dropped. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If he owns the crap out of marines, he can be a gamewinner. If he gets lmged... yeah he's a nub.
<!--QuoteBegin-aeroripper+Jun 16 2005, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (aeroripper @ Jun 16 2005, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->as for the balance, the current version of ns that i find to be the funnest is ns 1.04. and the version of ns that i find to be the most balanced is ns 2.0. the more "balance" the devs give ns, the worse the gameplay gets. it seems the devs are so caught up in "balancing" the game for cal and other such leagues, the more serious the game gets, and the less fun it becomes. it would be better if the devs stoped screwing with balance, and started worrying about how fun the game currently is, because its crashing to the ground. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
uhh... i think its still think its fun. Why would we all still be playing it if it wasn't somewhat fun? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i dont play ns that much anymore, considering the playerbase i used to have on my server is gone, no point in playing it much anymore.
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no?
must just be a "me" thing then.
I myself got sick of hearing the devs and their fanboys promises. im sick of the way this game is balanced for the average joe and not for johnny come-hardcore.
im sick of the way all of the devs promises, some years old, have not come true.
im sick of the way were constantly kept int he dark about pretty much everything.
im pretty much sick of ns, and the constant **** thrown around on these forums. if you guys ever do actually manage to balance this game for clanners and pubbers alike, ill come back and play.
and for all those minions: i know the devs dont owe me a god damn thing. i know they have their own ways. but im tired of it. so yea. so long. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Amen.
its like Flayra has said before, "Please everybody, thats impossible." But this build gets about as close to that ideal as ive seen yet.
<!--emo&::siege::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/siege.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='siege.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Man, you guys have some serious issue with scope creep it seems.
To any of the devs, are smaller client updates seen to be of any value, or is the objective to make every client update have a wealth of new features to make sure people find it worth downloading? There hasn't been a small client update in the history of NS.
I don't know if it would be possible to pull this off with the way the code is structured, but it seems like it would make more sense to release bugfixing and balancing client updates as they become available rather than letting everything langish until an entire new feature set is implemented and polished.
Besides, the distribution and release itself is not something that doesn't take time. The more frequent we do it, the more time we spend doing it, and the less time we have working on this.
It's difficult to "help" these guys when they won't even listen. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gotta love the 5min fade yelling for the hive to be dropped.
It's difficult to "help" these guys when they won't even listen. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gotta love the 5min fade yelling for the hive to be dropped. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If he owns the crap out of marines, he can be a gamewinner. If he gets lmged... yeah he's a nub.
So BUS is still not out... that's all.
Will an admin please add ^that^ to the swear filter? <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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uhh... i think its still think its fun. Why would we all still be playing it if it wasn't somewhat fun? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i dont play ns that much anymore, considering the playerbase i used to have on my server is gone, no point in playing it much anymore.
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WTH is that?
edit: oh...MUAHAHAHA