What Is Really Out There...

MistenTHMistenTH Join Date: 2003-01-01 Member: 11706Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
<div class="IPBDescription">Discovery Channel Production</div> <a href='http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/alienplanet/alienplanet.html' target='_blank'>http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/alien...lienplanet.html</a>

Being a NS fanatic, this sort of touched a nerve in me. See what you guys think.
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  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    Wasn't this posted in the off-topic thread a few days ago :/
  • spinviperspinviper Join Date: 2003-05-08 Member: 16151Members
    That IS awesome. Misten, do you know what time it will be on in Singapore?
  • daidalosdaidalos Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28854Members, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    it is all a big conspiracy
    darwin < religion

    the nasa wants to trick you, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE

    btw: plz move to ot? thanks
  • SentrySteveSentrySteve .txt Join Date: 2002-03-09 Member: 290Members, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    whats so great about it? It's just a CGI-based show that creates what they think aliens might look like on some fake planet. It's not like they found the bones of aliens and are recreating them - they're just making up <a href='http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/alienplanet/slideshows/animals/slide_04.html' target='_blank'>random</a> creatures.

    Also, the whole "we were wrong" crap over and over - do they even have an ounce of proof to support their world? Probably not, the show is just fancy animation of silly looking animials killing eachother for ratings.
  • daidalosdaidalos Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28854Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-SentrySteve+May 14 2005, 04:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SentrySteve @ May 14 2005, 04:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> whats so great about it? It's just a CGI-based show that creates what they think aliens might look like on some fake planet. It's not like they found the bones of aliens and are recreating them - they're just making up <a href='http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/alienplanet/slideshows/animals/slide_04.html' target='_blank'>random</a> creatures.

    Also, the whole "we were wrong" crap over and over - do they even have an ounce of proof to support their world? Probably not, the show is just fancy animation of silly looking animials killing eachother for ratings. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    qft!

    I believe they were just bored =)
  • gyMegyMe Join Date: 2004-08-27 Member: 30961Members, Constellation
    It still sounds better than 99% of the crap tv shows that are airing. Maybe game developers can get some ideas for new aliens.
  • urinalcakeurinalcake Can&#39;t work a sound card United States Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7799Members
    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92834&hl=discovery+channel' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....scovery+channel</a>
    Off Topic Post.


    It turned into a discussion about evolution against religion.
    If this one doesn't get locked, well.. gg with that.
  • OlljOllj our themepark-stalking nightmare Fade Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10696Members
    edited May 2005
    I like CG and fantasy creatures even if its crazy enough to introduce a biological ram-jet.

    even worse: Most of thoose have a skeleton, interestring in earths evolution is that verberates have been the weakest for millins of years.
    It needed 2 mass extinctions to kill most of the mollusks (snails) and arthopods (insekts) that have ben dominant till then, and still are in variety.
    If we find extraterestrical life, chances might be high that its like insects and not like verberates.


    <b>Chances are low that we will ever find extraterestrical intelligence</b>

    <b>We are propably the first ones in our galaxy</b>:
    Our measured age of the universe (13,7 billion Years), our galaxy (13,6 billion), solar system (4,6 billion) and Planet (4,5 billion) brings us to the idea that there is a very high propability that we are the first ones, that developed as far as us, in our galaxy just by measuring how long it takes to produce enough heavy materials by supernovas at one spot.

    Another bad news is; <b>our galaxy is pretty small</b> compared to average galaxies, its chances to make a solar system and keep it stable long enough to develope life like ours on earth ONCE is ~ 50% or less, wich means EARTH has already ben really lucky for a long time.

    <b>Other galaxies are far out</b>:
    The speed of light (in vacuum) is the highest possible speed of transmitting information, 1/10 of light speed speed is propably the highest realistic (econopicaly and physically) speed a space ship might reach. Apart from the required energy a space ship that moves that fast has many problems: The funniest one is that time inside of it goes WAY slower than at home. That makes comunication between the space ship and a home base obsolent (10 astronaut years equal ~1000 planet years).

    <b>Even Intergalactic comunication is obsolent</b>
    Our neighbour galaxy (andromeda) and most other closer ones are 2,8 million light years away from us, asking "it" a question would need 5,6 million years to get an answere. (and an incredible amount of energy for many years, just for a "beep" that might not ben heared)
    Thats our "local group" and its relatively tiny compared to other galaxy groups.
    The next "virgo heap" of galaxies is 65 light years faw away (and 9 million light years wide).
    I just want to say that you cant wait for an answere when you comuniate with other galaxies, so intergalactic comunication is impossible, because it just takes <i>way too much time</i>



    If there is ONE lifeform that developed space travel and colonizing of other solar systems in a galaxy as big as ours it would just need ~ 10 billion more years to colonize our whole galaxy (2,5 for 1/4th) and if it would find aliens on another planet it might be essential to take it over (invade it) because <b>suns dont life forever</b> and resources are limited.

    <b>No alien invasions seen yet</b> , so:
    Very high propability that we are the first ones and only ones in our galaxy, there might be a maximum of ~6 different life forms that might develope simultanuously and met peacefully each other in our galaxy, not more, because if there would be more we would already have met one of them and ben invaded by them.

    <b>but theres the galactic zoo:</b>
    The idea is that a space traveling civilization that mets another non space traveling civilizazion just overserves it without any interaction, like a zoo animal.
    Another idea is that the stronger civilization just takes over the weaker ones land like indians or aztecs.

    <b>finally</b>
    The universe in unelieveable huge, there might be unvelieveable many galaxies that developed life, some bigger ones might even contain more than one alien species, but comunication or traveling from one galaxy to another just takes too long so they might never ever hear from each other and <b>the question if we are alone will be pretty much unanswered for the next 10-100 million years</b> so <b>it doesnt really matter much if we are the first and only lifeform of the universe</b> for a long time.

    <b>The good news</b>
    Our neighbour galaxy, Andromeda, is pretty big and the virgo heap has many simular ones, there is a relatively high propability that one of them has extra terestrical life on it.
    And all of them are geting closer to each other till they collide (its more like melting together).
    But till then our Sun and Earh and other solar colonies would be gone for a long time and our civilisation, if still exsisting and not nuked out self, changed and spread over our galaxy.
  • DuoGodOfDeathDuoGodOfDeath Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1044Members
    Tonight on Maury. 14 year old becomes pregnant by her own mother! Will the father divorce his wife? Tonight at 8pm channel 11.
  • CyndaneCyndane Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-urinalcake+May 14 2005, 09:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (urinalcake @ May 14 2005, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92834&hl=discovery+channel' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....scovery+channel</a>
    Off Topic Post.


    It turned into a discussion about evolution against religion.
    If this one doesn't get locked, well.. gg with that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It. didn't. get. locked. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ThanatosThanatos Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13138Members
    I guess all we have to do now is start making crop-circles and abduct their cows and we are set.
  • Status_QuoStatus_Quo Join Date: 2004-01-30 Member: 25749Members
    Don't forget the anal probing.

    What's up with that anyway? You'd think the aliens would've reached the limit of the knowledge you can acquire with anal probing by now.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited May 2005
    Ollj, I like gonzo stats as much as the next guy, but those 50% are an arbitrary choice out of a very wide range of possible situations. The fact of the matter is that our gathered data does not even allow for scientifically sane educated guesses <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    So dumb. To think that any alien would even be remotely recognizable as an "animal" is insanely egotistical on our part as creatures from Earth. Who's to say an alien species would be subject to evolution? If they don't use DNA, they can't exactly be selected for their traits...so many things wrong with "predicting" what aliens look like.
  • typical_skeletontypical_skeleton Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13944Members
    Well, Sky, it's obviously a show full of speculation designed with entertainment in mind.

    Just view it as a really big what if.

    However, there is an unfortunate amount of human arrogance, IMO. Especially in the field of science.
  • urinalcakeurinalcake Can&#39;t work a sound card United States Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7799Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+May 14 2005, 05:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 14 2005, 05:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-urinalcake+May 14 2005, 09:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (urinalcake @ May 14 2005, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92834&hl=discovery+channel' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....scovery+channel</a>
    Off Topic Post.


    It turned into a discussion about evolution against religion.
    If this one doesn't get locked, well.. gg with that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It. didn't. get. locked. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wasn't talking about the thread i mentioned. I was talking about this one.. since it seems to be off-topic.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-urinalcake+May 15 2005, 10:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (urinalcake @ May 15 2005, 10:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+May 14 2005, 05:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ May 14 2005, 05:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-urinalcake+May 14 2005, 09:17 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (urinalcake @ May 14 2005, 09:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=92834&hl=discovery+channel' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....scovery+channel</a>
    Off Topic Post.


    It turned into a discussion about evolution against religion.
    If this one doesn't get locked, well.. gg with that. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It. didn't. get. locked. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I wasn't talking about the thread i mentioned. I was talking about this one.. since it seems to be off-topic. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That thread didn't really turn into an evolution vs. religion thread either. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+May 16 2005, 12:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ May 16 2005, 12:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So dumb. To think that any alien would even be remotely recognizable as an "animal" is insanely egotistical on our part as creatures from Earth. Who's to say an alien species would be subject to evolution? If they don't use DNA, they can't exactly be selected for their traits...so many things wrong with "predicting" what aliens look like. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    DNA is a bi-product of evolution, not vice-versa.
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Status Quo+May 15 2005, 05:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Status Quo @ May 15 2005, 05:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Don't forget the anal probing.

    What's up with that anyway? You'd think the aliens would've reached the limit of the knowledge you can acquire with anal probing by now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Presuming we're talking about a species that has mastered space travel, why do they even <i>want</i> to know about our arses? If I met an alien, I probably wouldn't stick a rod up its butt.
  • nogoodnicknamenogoodnickname Join Date: 2005-03-23 Member: 46172Members
  • MalevolentMalevolent Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18842Members
    The show was somewhat interesting, but I find it funny how serious they are about something that isn't even proven to exist. They basically acted as it had already been proven.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+May 16 2005, 07:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ May 16 2005, 07:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Sky+May 16 2005, 12:23 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ May 16 2005, 12:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So dumb. To think that any alien would even be remotely recognizable as an "animal" is insanely egotistical on our part as creatures from Earth. Who's to say an alien species would be subject to evolution? If they don't use DNA, they can't exactly be selected for their traits...so many things wrong with "predicting" what aliens look like. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    DNA is a bi-product of evolution, not vice-versa. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No, DNA just happens to be how organisms on this planet pass on the information necessary to build another of their kind. On other planets, the chosen messenger could be RNA, or some kind of undiscovered protein, or something completely foreign. Each of these could change reproduction: maybe all organisms are asexual, or maybe 3/4 of the "genes" come from the "mother", or maybe intercourse requires 4 or 5 or 10 partners in order to create a viable embryo. Any of these would change the mechanics of evolution greatly. Also, what's with all of the 4-legged creatures? Instead of bilateral symmetry, what if the creatures were radially symmetrical, like starfish. Heck, why are we limiting ourselves to solid creatures here? A liquid, or a gas...what's to prevent a bunch of air molecules from linking together and forming electric pathways reminiscent of our brains, and then having the gas cloud move itself around, assimilating other clouds of similar gas....the possibilities are endless, and more likely than not real aliens would be more dissimilar to Earth creatures than similar.
  • mr_drug_lordmr_drug_lord Join Date: 2005-01-11 Member: 34836Members
    yes but natural selection is still acting
  • Shadow_SporkShadow_Spork Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33306Members
    ^Considering the fictional planet was called "Darwin".
  • ZavaroZavaro Tucson, Arizona Join Date: 2005-02-14 Member: 41174Members, Super Administrators, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver, NS2 Map Tester, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Silver, Subnautica Playtester, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    Quadraped fades!11

    <img src='http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/alienplanet/slideshows/animals/gallery/daggerwrist_hzoom.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
  • JEBUsJEBUs Join Date: 2004-05-01 Member: 28359Members
    Listen all of these movies, Signs and Independence Day for example, show aliens invading earth for resources because thier home world ran out. Now alot of you "kids" dont know, but Earth's resources arn't going to last forever. Fossil Fuels are main energy source has about 30 years left. Sure there are other ways to make energy, but soon alot of minerals and important elements will be gone . Maybe we will all be dead by now(Old age wise) but what you see in those movies of aliens attacking Earth for resources and what not, might be the future of us Humans, except us fighting to defend our home world. We might be the huge space craft that has a Lazer Beam weapon capeible of killing entire cities.


    It may sound hard to beleve, but if you look up how much resources we use in a day and how many are left on Earth. This all may be true.



    My 2 cents.
  • KradKrad Join Date: 2004-08-26 Member: 30914Members
    edited May 2005
    Holy crap, I saw a scorpion that hov<u>a</u>rs without flapping!!!1!1!1
  • freebirdpatfreebirdpat Join Date: 2004-04-10 Member: 27826Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-JEBUs+May 17 2005, 09:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JEBUs @ May 17 2005, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Listen all of these movies, Signs and Independence Day for example, show aliens invading earth for resources because thier home world ran out. Now alot of you "kids" dont know, but Earth's resources arn't going to last forever. Fossil Fuels are main energy source has about 30 years left. Sure there are other ways to make energy, but soon alot of minerals and important elements will be gone . Maybe we will all be dead by now(Old age wise) but what you see in those movies of aliens attacking Earth for resources and what not, might be the future of us Humans, except us fighting to defend our home world. We might be the huge space craft that has a Lazer Beam weapon capeible of killing entire cities.


    It may sound hard to beleve, but if you look up how much resources we use in a day and how many are left on Earth. This all may be true.



    My 2 cents. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If a space faring race found came across our solar system, they might as well bypass it because of the lack of resources, with their technology they could probably notice the really large planets we are already discovering at nearby stars, those would be more valuable since they would probably contain lots and lots of hydrogen, and you could also take resources from their moons. A gas planet also would likely consist of a large amount of hydrogen. And an alien race wasting energy attacking earth is highly unlikely they would probably be have enough technology to take what they want without even considering us a major threat. This is of course if they weren't a parasistic race, which would mean, they also wouldn't attack earth with lasers, they would study us and try to turn us into slaves or something similar.

    Aliens invading is probably the least likely, since recklessly attacking is usually weeded out by natural selection since it is an unrewarding behavior. Lions didn't get where they were by attacking flies and ants.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-JEBUs+May 17 2005, 10:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (JEBUs @ May 17 2005, 10:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Listen all of these movies, Signs and Independence Day for example, show aliens invading earth for resources because thier home world ran out. Now alot of you "kids" dont know, but Earth's resources arn't going to last forever. Fossil Fuels are main energy source has about 30 years left. Sure there are other ways to make energy, but soon alot of minerals and important elements will be gone . Maybe we will all be dead by now(Old age wise) but what you see in those movies of aliens attacking Earth for resources and what not, might be the future of us Humans, except us fighting to defend our home world. We might be the huge space craft that has a Lazer Beam weapon capeible of killing entire cities.


    It may sound hard to beleve, but if you look up how much resources we use in a day and how many are left on Earth. This all may be true.



    My 2 cents. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Where the hell did this post come from? What does this have to do with anything that's been said in this thread? Oh, and you're preaching to the wrong crowd; there are relatively few "kids" here that ignorant about energy consumption and such. Some people may not think the situation is as dire as you seem to, but there are very few completely ignorant people on these boards.
  • HeliocentricHeliocentric Join Date: 2005-04-24 Member: 49650Members
    theirs good odds life could be so different from what we know that its hard for us to even catagorise as life, or indeed, even notice due to us look at things too much from our own angle.

    still.... sods law says it'll end up like star trek and 90% of species will look like people with cheap makeup jobs, and the other 10% will eat people and need killing.... preferably by wrestling its multi-tenticled form to the ground with a starship captain (<3 kirk)
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