[FFT]Fangs dislikes Combat.
Fangs
Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13506Members
Join Date: 2003-02-13 Member: 13506Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Title updated by Nem0</div> Yeah im not afraid to say whats on everyones lips. NS is dead for every populated NS server there are 5-8 populated CO servers. I hate CO with a passion, and I hate the CS players it brings into the game. At this point I stopped careing what others think. CO is crap its a FPS game with no depth, may the best video card/processor/script win. While NS still involves thought, sure the thought isnt a major aspect, but its still there. The day they seperate the two games in the servers config is the day I stand up and say Cheers. Untell then I want to make it known CO players are not NS players. I may sound old fashioned, but I'll be honest this problem has hovered for almost a year now but after many many hours of time spent on this issue I see NS is nothing like CO and the game of CO has almost totaly destroyed the game I love.
Flame me all you want, if CO is your game go back to CS.
I'm sure this will be locked but no amount of locking will change reality.
***Edited Tuesday Morning***
I have added proof, to rebuke the flamers and their penut gallery supporters. I spent an hour compileing this list becouse people have made false claims about server numbers by useing grossly inflated numbers arrived at by adding locked servers, hltv proxies, "fake Full" servers, and bots.
Run all the filters you like, my filter set to screen pings above 100 gets the following results (times posted).
I get <b>67</b> servers at 11:47 AM PST (45 that are not locked)
<b>27</b> servers are showing up as haveing active NS games so lets look at the numbers:
8 servers with "fakefull" or "bots" No real people
10 servers showing up as occupied, but are locked for matches or private play only.
8 of these just have 1 "player" and its a hltv client, again not real people.
so were left with 9 games of NS
3 of these games have bots in them with less then 5 real players
3 of these games are on "unoffical maps" (generaly maps with siege in the title)
leaves us with 3 games of ns but ill count the unoffical maps ones but bots do not count
<u>so a total of 6 under 100 ping NS servers active.</u>
Even more discouraging is the fact that three of these servers are modded and dont run true NS. (ie Guns4back2school biterange)
Sadly not one Full server out of 9
I get <b>93</b> servers at 12:00 PM PST (89 that are not locked)
<b>33</b> servers are showing up as haveing active CO games so lets look at the numbers:
12 servers with "fakefull" or "bots" No real people
2 populated locked servers
1 with 1 "player" ; a hltv client, not a real person.
That leaves us with an astounding 21 games of CO
6 of these games habve bots in them
4 are on "unofficial" maps
Take away the bot servers, and you have 15 active servers of CO
(howver bots in CO are more usefull, as they dont need to build.)
<u>Grand total of active CO servers 15</u>
5 Full servers and was unable to join.
2 Games spontaniously started while I as compileing this list, however I didnt count them.
I belive these numbers back up my statement of 5-8 for every one becouse i dont belive maps with sige in the name are true ns games and bots are stupid in ns they cant think or work propperly with a team. this would leave three to 15, and even then servers like guns4back2school run a very modded version of NS, that baerly plays like the official version, but I left them in my total too. I did not fudge these numbers in any way. I have no reason to make NS look dead it does that on its own power. Remember I am one of the games biggest fans I have spent countless hours playing or working on NS community projects, I'm just tired of seeing CO games suck the life from NS.
Here are screen shots showing the lists I used:<a href='http://img70.echo.cx/img70/365/nsproof0pe.gif' target='_blank'>ns numbers</a> <a href='http://img70.echo.cx/img70/6341/nsproofco5md.gif' target='_blank'>co numbers</a>
Flame me all you want, if CO is your game go back to CS.
I'm sure this will be locked but no amount of locking will change reality.
***Edited Tuesday Morning***
I have added proof, to rebuke the flamers and their penut gallery supporters. I spent an hour compileing this list becouse people have made false claims about server numbers by useing grossly inflated numbers arrived at by adding locked servers, hltv proxies, "fake Full" servers, and bots.
Run all the filters you like, my filter set to screen pings above 100 gets the following results (times posted).
I get <b>67</b> servers at 11:47 AM PST (45 that are not locked)
<b>27</b> servers are showing up as haveing active NS games so lets look at the numbers:
8 servers with "fakefull" or "bots" No real people
10 servers showing up as occupied, but are locked for matches or private play only.
8 of these just have 1 "player" and its a hltv client, again not real people.
so were left with 9 games of NS
3 of these games have bots in them with less then 5 real players
3 of these games are on "unoffical maps" (generaly maps with siege in the title)
leaves us with 3 games of ns but ill count the unoffical maps ones but bots do not count
<u>so a total of 6 under 100 ping NS servers active.</u>
Even more discouraging is the fact that three of these servers are modded and dont run true NS. (ie Guns4back2school biterange)
Sadly not one Full server out of 9
I get <b>93</b> servers at 12:00 PM PST (89 that are not locked)
<b>33</b> servers are showing up as haveing active CO games so lets look at the numbers:
12 servers with "fakefull" or "bots" No real people
2 populated locked servers
1 with 1 "player" ; a hltv client, not a real person.
That leaves us with an astounding 21 games of CO
6 of these games habve bots in them
4 are on "unofficial" maps
Take away the bot servers, and you have 15 active servers of CO
(howver bots in CO are more usefull, as they dont need to build.)
<u>Grand total of active CO servers 15</u>
5 Full servers and was unable to join.
2 Games spontaniously started while I as compileing this list, however I didnt count them.
I belive these numbers back up my statement of 5-8 for every one becouse i dont belive maps with sige in the name are true ns games and bots are stupid in ns they cant think or work propperly with a team. this would leave three to 15, and even then servers like guns4back2school run a very modded version of NS, that baerly plays like the official version, but I left them in my total too. I did not fudge these numbers in any way. I have no reason to make NS look dead it does that on its own power. Remember I am one of the games biggest fans I have spent countless hours playing or working on NS community projects, I'm just tired of seeing CO games suck the life from NS.
Here are screen shots showing the lists I used:<a href='http://img70.echo.cx/img70/365/nsproof0pe.gif' target='_blank'>ns numbers</a> <a href='http://img70.echo.cx/img70/6341/nsproofco5md.gif' target='_blank'>co numbers</a>
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totally agreed.
As the time of this post there are the following populated servers listed in the ingame server browser.
Co: 48
NS: 22
Siege: 5
Also it is worth noting that about 2/3 of the servers were currently running Co maps (no I didn´t count them all but roughly)
So I guess you are right. And I also never really understood what the point with Co was. It´s just another teamdeathmatch thing. Like we don´t have enough of those allready. Atleast they could have made the objectives more intressting.
Oh well.
Also, whining about this particular problem isn't going to do anything, except of course **** people off. Co isn't going anywhere; stop complaining and find a server you like. 22 isn't enough for you?
How many are you babies gonna make? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If you don't like CO find an NS only server or get your own server and make it NS only just stop complaining its just ******* alot of ppl off <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
As the time of this post there are the following populated servers listed in the ingame server browser.
Co: 48
NS: 22
Siege: 5
Also it is worth noting that about 2/3 of the servers were currently running Co maps (no I didn´t count them all but roughly)
So I guess you are right. And I also never really understood what the point with Co was. It´s just another teamdeathmatch thing. Like we don´t have enough of those allready. Atleast they could have made the objectives more intressting.
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well you did post at 5:42 in the morning. Not a lot of servers are populated and the ones that are have low player counts. When servers have low player counts admins go to co to keep the server population alive. Nobody wants to join an ns game with 6 people in it, but people will join a co game with 6 people in it.
As the time of this post there are the following populated servers listed in the ingame server browser.
Co: 48
NS: 22
Siege: 5
Also it is worth noting that about 2/3 of the servers were currently running Co maps (no I didn´t count them all but roughly)
So I guess you are right. And I also never really understood what the point with Co was. It´s just another teamdeathmatch thing. Like we don´t have enough of those allready. Atleast they could have made the objectives more intressting.
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most ns servers are all bots check again.
Yeah im not afraid to say whats on everyones lips. NS is dead for every populated ns server there are 5-8 populated co servers. I hate CO with a passion, and I hate the CS players it brings into the game. at this point I stopped careing what others think. Co is crap its a FPS game with no depth, may the best video card/processor/script win. While NS still involves thought, sure the thought isnt a major aspect, but its still there. The day they seperate the two games in the servers config is the day I stand up and say Cheers. Untell then I want to make it known CO players are not NS players. I may sound old fashioned, but I'll be honest this problem has hovered for almost a year now but after many many hours of time spent in this issue I see NS is nothing like CO and the game of CO has almost totaly destroyed the game I love.
Flame me all you want, if CO is your game go back to CS.
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You speak the truth. But unfortunately it wont change anything. I hate co too. A lot. A loooot. But that won't change anything... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
From what I've seen here, there are a tremendous number of "co-haters" on these very boards, then why aren't all the servers running NS filling up with these people?
What this says to me, is "NS purists" ARE playing CO or aren't playing any NS at all..
Put your gameplay where your mouth is, and do as you did in the old days...join an empty NS server, and wait patiently until other "NS Players" join up.. Play a few rounds of 3 v3 as the server warms up and eventually enjoy some hawt NS action.
Again my personal 2 cents..
I like small NS games. So I would join a server on a NS map with 6 people in it, but that's just me.
I run a server now, I don't use bots to make it look full, I hate that. But there are times when no one is there so I'll change the map to a co map just to get people to join. It works, that's the sad part.
I started way back in 1.0, so I too am not a fan of co.
Well, it is time now to introduce you the filter function. =P <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well, I kinda don't care of co. Everytime the map gets changed to co I leave, and that'f fine. But yeah, too many co-servers. I have a weak connection and I get 8 ns and like 30 co servers most of the time <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Most of the time all the ns servers are full :/
<!--QuoteBegin- me less then a week ago+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ( me less then a week ago)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->IMHO co is just alot of fun. I have little or no respect for co nubs who have never tryed NS gaming, but I have seen lots of players start off on co and work thier way up, and lots of players use co to practice skills that are too risky to try out in classic games (pretty much all of fading, offencive lerking, no stomp onosing). I still would MUCH rather play 3v3 co to 3v3 ns, and everyonce in a while I like to be able to just let loose and killwh**e for a while, so I'll join up a 50 levels combat server for a relaxing, no pressure, fragfest.
TBH, this whole combat hating thing just sickens me. It is elitist to all hell that just because you don't have fun in this game mode you belive that other people should not be able to.
I think in the long run the NS team wasn't really looking at another 3 years of prosperity coming out of this game, so if we are going to suck it up and attract some dedicated co nubs at the benifit of higher player numbers at the end of the day, so be it. A few players who never would have will raise up the ranks to good classic style play because of this, and I really don't think we are looseing any established classic players because co came around (they are leaving for other reasons).
If you don't like co, suck it up and stop pub hopping. Find a good classic server and reg there. Stop trying to ruin everyone elses fun with your pessimism.
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If we aren't picking up CS players, what the hell gamers are we picking up? NS is going to be pogressively dying until they get a frigging source release out anyways, I'm sorry but I can't see increased player numbers as a bad thing. As for all those "lame CS deathmatch hores" I barely ever deal with a player I would put in that category, and when I do, usually a server admin comes along and bans them before I have to worry about it much. I think you're just frustrated at new players playing the game improperly, and now you have a fancy new game mode to blame, so you don't just look like an **** for reeming out nubs for being nubish.
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Take screenies and compile them into a nice big list like all the other cool kids do. I hear it's pretty fun.
Flame me all you want, if CO is your game go back to CS.
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This comming from a playtester no less.
This is a practical joke, isn't it?
Folks, I have no ideas what latency or locational filters you have running on your server browsers, but as I type this, there are <a href='http://www.steampowered.com/status/game_stats.html' target='_blank'>469</a> NS servers online. Filtering the unoccupied ones (many of which run co to pick small games up) out, I arrive at 121 servers counted by my Steam browser.
Counting it through, I arrive at 56 matches of Combat and thus 65 Classic matches. Sure, there'll be some bot-populated servers among this, but I'd argue that this won't really be isolated to either gamemode - or game, for that matter.
Combat and Classic had a pretty clean 50-50 split since four weeks after the new mode's public appearance. This division is as stable as the averagely 1000 to 1500 players we had since 2.0. NS is not dead in any way, shape, or form I can distinguish. It isn't growing either, and that's quite frustrating enough a situation, but please, if you want to play doomsayer, stick to the facts.
Here's the kicker... we had about 14 people! Why go to combat?!
-Co server are more than NS server today.
It means : The less NS servers we can log-in the more it's difficult to find one relatively serious / good / with players close to his level / good ping etc... [EDIT] nemesis zero: on your side maybee, but different location make the list change from one to another. Your the lucky one.
-Co server brought CS population to another mod: NS.
More than despicable they (these CS guys) are subject to suspicions about cheat, hax etc... And i must admit NS community members talk more often about cheat and ways to counter it. But hey! who gives a d*** . It's natural when you are 8years old to jump like being on crack, kill lerks+cele 1000 meters far from you... in your back... in less than 0.0001 sec... .
-Co game is not a "game in the game" any more. It is now on its own as the upgrade schematic/path doesn't follow the original NS one. This cannot be a "introduction" or "tutorial" to NS (as i hoped before). At the begining there were mixed CO & NS server, but this didn't last long. Each time there was a NS map after a CO one; everybody leave.
-Co may have influenced the NS evolution. Simplifying the game, shorten the game time, etc... And it is not really good to my opinion. following this NS will look like CO someday.
It's not may have, it has. I believe flayra said he refused to make the ugprades different between NS and CO mode, thus they can't totally balance out NS because that would tilt CO's balance. It's really retarded imho. Also I think making it default for a server to only running NS or only running CO is a good idea instead of the mix we see now.
You’re arguing emotionally and not based on facts. No game mode will “destroy” a game and there are many effects of the new game mode “Combat”, negative effects as well positive effects.
A much important fact never gets mentioned if someone talks about a difference between combat and classic servers. It’s much easier to keep a combat server running and living while it’s much more work with a classic server because on a classic server the quality of game play depends on the player base and as administrator you have to do a big (maybe the most) work to keep this small community running and stable. You have to deal with whining, rats, flaming, exploiting and so on. To be honest … as administrator I feel sometimes like a kindergarten teacher.
Personally I enjoy both game modes.
You want to change it? Well … you can. Get an own server (ns only) and build a community of regular players. Me and many others would appreciate it a lot.
Flame me all you want, if CO is your game go back to CS.
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sad.
Everyone that is but those who are logged in and playing both NS and CO.
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This is simply incorrect. CO != CS
All that creating this thread does is show me you're not the type of person I'd want to play with in any game.
Stating opinions as facts is never logical.
I don't really think that combat has a good influence on NS. It may be a nice change of pace from time to time, but unfortunately it doesn't teach players good things and, past a certain time, just becomes a huge messy spamfest.
On that note, I'd like to see <i>detailed</i> gloabl statistics showing how many player-minutes each game mode scores, etc (not "Hey, there are about X co and Y ns games right about now guys!"), without taking bots into account of course.
for some reason people that play ns too much, they start to **** at random things about the game..