Hl2 Mod Released!

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  • LofungLofung Join Date: 2004-08-21 Member: 30757Members
    edited April 2005
    just call it CS wont we
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 16 2005, 03:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 16 2005, 03:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh, that's that increadibly awesome looking mod that moved engines like 5 times and never gets FRIGGING FINISHED, right?
  • TrevelyanTrevelyan Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14834Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-DOOManiac+Apr 15 2005, 07:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DOOManiac @ Apr 15 2005, 07:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Interesting.

    The one map it has is quite huge, and it looks great visually. However if you really look at it, especially in spectator mode, you'll notice its actually quite horrible as far as how it was constructed goes. I mean just bad, bad, beginner errors on it. It looks like it had a leak and the author did the 'big box' method to "fix" it. There's tons of walls that should've been cut out by VIS that are off there in the void. That's what makes the map run so damn slow.

    It's also damn hard to tell the teams from one another. Whenever I'm shooting at someone I'm not sure whether its a friendly or not. With FF on this is a bad situation. Its not just me either, its the whole team. Whenever I was playing I shot and was shot by my own teammates twice as much as the enemy, which I hardly ever saw.

    Still, its quite good for a first release. This mod has potential. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I swear to god I'll make a map thats inside a box thats inside a box thats inside a box thats inside a box someday. maybe with another big metal crate on the outside.

    <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • heartshapedheartshaped Join Date: 2005-04-14 Member: 48425Members
    edited April 2005
    Doom's right about the map. The first time I flew around it in spectator mode I was horrified. It's a good looking map, but I can't imagine why the maker would use the big box method to "solve" his leaks. Judging by the quality of the map he must know better. But I'm quite sure that'll be fixed in the next version, seen as so many people've noticed it.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because we all know potential trumps content any day of the week.
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because we all know potential trumps content any day of the week. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Fable is going to be the best RPG ever m I rite?
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Apr 16 2005, 12:19 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Apr 16 2005, 12:19 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Fable is going to be the best RPG ever m I rite? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Hey at least you can chat up the busty wench at the bar and have rampant sex in Fable.
  • SvenpaSvenpa Wait, what? Join Date: 2004-01-03 Member: 25012Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Apr 16 2005, 09:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 16 2005, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 16 2005, 03:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 16 2005, 03:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh, that's that increadibly awesome looking mod that moved engines like 5 times and never gets FRIGGING FINISHED, right? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As I recognise it in Eternal Silence you can be in ships and run around hacking and whatever AND also haveing interstellar battles with a fleet of space ships. Find a engine which can do that.
  • CplDavisCplDavis I hunt the arctic Snonos Join Date: 2003-01-09 Member: 12097Members
    Aparrently in the future Russia sides with China which is politically speaking is highly unlikely, and countries like North Korea somehow are able to physically invade the US with their leet spawn lots of equipment we dont have hax"..

    And when they do get to the US they only decide to invade our office buildings and back alley streets.
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Svenpa+Apr 16 2005, 08:39 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Svenpa @ Apr 16 2005, 08:39 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Apr 16 2005, 09:19 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Apr 16 2005, 09:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 16 2005, 03:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 16 2005, 03:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh, that's that increadibly awesome looking mod that moved engines like 5 times and never gets FRIGGING FINISHED, right? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    As I recognise it in Eternal Silence you can be in ships and run around hacking and whatever AND also haveing interstellar battles with a fleet of space ships. Find a engine which can do that. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Quake.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because we all know potential trumps content any day of the week. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ES2 has the content, it just isn't released yet: They don't release until its done, plain and simple.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Apr 16 2005, 09:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Apr 16 2005, 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because we all know potential trumps content any day of the week. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ES2 has the content, it just isn't released yet: They don't release until its done, plain and simple. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If it's not done then they don't have the content, dur. Every mod ever probably has content that isn't finished. It's content that IS finished that's useful.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    Actually, the current Eternal-Silence project really should be called ES2. The original Eternal-Silence was a mod for the BF1942 engine that worked well enough for its time, but the devs wanted an engine that could handle spaceflight better. Not to mention the complexities of having both a spacefighter and a infantry game playable at the same time on the same map, with seemless transitions between the two.

    And fyi, the game's coming along quite nicely. Because I am just a beta tester, I can't exactly give a specific timeline (and even if I did have specific information concerning the dev's schedule, I wouldn't be able to release it). However I can say that we have made a ton of progress towards our first milestone, the infantry-only release.

    But back to the engine transitions: There were two, along with additional debates about other possible engines, and the game <u>has</u> been released before. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • MantridMantrid Lockpick Join Date: 2003-12-07 Member: 24109Members
    This game is actually fun. Someone should set up an NS server.
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Apr 16 2005, 10:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Apr 16 2005, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> This game is actually fun. Someone should set up an NS server. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I love it when this happens.

    I hate it when I can't play.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Apr 16 2005, 10:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Apr 16 2005, 10:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Apr 16 2005, 09:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Apr 16 2005, 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because we all know potential trumps content any day of the week. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ES2 has the content, it just isn't released yet: They don't release until its done, plain and simple. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If it's not done then they don't have the content, dur. Every mod ever probably has content that isn't finished. It's content that IS finished that's useful. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Then why don't you go check out their site and their 10+ renders, as well as fully developed story and the such? Hmm?

    Don't bash what you don't know <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    And I'm a PT, so I should frickin know.
  • JavertJavert Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15954Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Apr 16 2005, 08:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Apr 16 2005, 08:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Apr 16 2005, 10:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Apr 16 2005, 10:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Apr 16 2005, 09:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Apr 16 2005, 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because we all know potential trumps content any day of the week. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ES2 has the content, it just isn't released yet: They don't release until its done, plain and simple. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If it's not done then they don't have the content, dur. Every mod ever probably has content that isn't finished. It's content that IS finished that's useful. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Then why don't you go check out their site and their 10+ renders, as well as fully developed story and the such? Hmm?

    Don't bash what you don't know <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    And I'm a PT, so I should frickin know. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So it is playable, at least PoA playable?
  • Naj_ZeroNaj_Zero Join Date: 2005-02-05 Member: 39896Members, Constellation
    Don't know if it's been mentioned already. Probably not. But check out <a href='http://www.hidden-source.com' target='_blank'>Hidden: Source</a> It's still in the Alpha stages I'd say, but they released a pre-Alpha test with one map and some prelim stuff. Updates should be coming soon.

    Anyway, the premise is more interesting, and fun, than CS.
  • TestamentTestament Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 4037Members
    It was posted when it came out. Pretty fun.
  • VenmochVenmoch Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1093Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Apr 17 2005, 04:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Apr 17 2005, 04:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Then why don't you go check out their site and their 10+ renders, as well as fully developed story and the such? Hmm?

    Don't bash what you don't know <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    And I'm a PT, so I should frickin know. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Thing is, renders show absolutely nothing about the game. Neither does the 10+ renders or story. The thing is the mod <b>could</b> suck. In fact it could be like the Pariah demo where most people install it, play it and then uninstall it.

    I mean it sounds great, but I wonder if it'll end up too gimicky and complicated for the average player. Plus there doesn't appear to be an engineer option. Which suck because I can't go "She canna take it cap'n!"
  • ANeMANeM Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16267Members, Constellation
    Found POA to be boring and repetitive with no actual tactics involved..
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    but there is a hacker class.

    I know quite a bit about ES and it will be better than POA.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    edited April 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Javert+Apr 17 2005, 04:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Javert @ Apr 17 2005, 04:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Apr 16 2005, 08:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Apr 16 2005, 08:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Apr 16 2005, 10:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Apr 16 2005, 10:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Apr 16 2005, 09:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Apr 16 2005, 09:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Apr 16 2005, 04:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Apr 16 2005, 12:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Doesn't hold a candle to the way Eternal Silence will be. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Because we all know potential trumps content any day of the week. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ES2 has the content, it just isn't released yet: They don't release until its done, plain and simple. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If it's not done then they don't have the content, dur. Every mod ever probably has content that isn't finished. It's content that IS finished that's useful. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Then why don't you go check out their site and their 10+ renders, as well as fully developed story and the such? Hmm?

    Don't bash what you don't know <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    And I'm a PT, so I should frickin know. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So it is playable, at least PoA playable? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If by playable, you mean playable in a beta, then yes. The weapons are in, the mechanics are pretty much done (just being tweaked now). The thing is, the devs aren't going to release it until its thoroughly polished.


    And hey, we got Swift to join the forums, so at least we convinced someone ^_^
  • GwahirGwahir Join Date: 2002-04-24 Member: 513Members, Constellation
    yeah, we definitely don't want people to be turned off by a lack of polish and alienate them from the start.
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