The Deal With The Steam
Novakoala
Join Date: 2002-07-17 Member: 962Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2002-07-17 Member: 962Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Will 3.0 be in 'My Games' list or not?</div> 1. I'm excited about the release of 3.0 final just like everybody else, but I seem to recall some talk a while back about NS getting onto the Steam 'My Games' list. With, you know, it's own official icon and everything.
From that <a href='http://www.cgonline.com/content/view/360/2/' target='_blank'>Computer Games Magazine interview</a> (25th February):
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We're also hoping to see NS fully integrated into Steam, under the "My Games" list.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not entirely sure how accurate that interview is, since in it Flay promised NS 3.1 in 'four to six weeks', complete with 'an exciting new system that we've been working for quite some time' (it's the BUS, folks!).
It's been a while since I've heard anything about this My Games thing and nobody on the forums seems to have mentioned it. Is this happening or not?
2. Valve mentioned a while ago that they would be letting some mods on to the Steam content servers. Talk of this, too, has dissapeared. I assume from the request for file mirrors on the front page that this isn't happening, but it'd be nice to hear some official comment on it.
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Can't wait 'till release...
From that <a href='http://www.cgonline.com/content/view/360/2/' target='_blank'>Computer Games Magazine interview</a> (25th February):
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We're also hoping to see NS fully integrated into Steam, under the "My Games" list.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not entirely sure how accurate that interview is, since in it Flay promised NS 3.1 in 'four to six weeks', complete with 'an exciting new system that we've been working for quite some time' (it's the BUS, folks!).
It's been a while since I've heard anything about this My Games thing and nobody on the forums seems to have mentioned it. Is this happening or not?
2. Valve mentioned a while ago that they would be letting some mods on to the Steam content servers. Talk of this, too, has dissapeared. I assume from the request for file mirrors on the front page that this isn't happening, but it'd be nice to hear some official comment on it.
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Can't wait 'till release...
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But we are continuing to work with Valve on getting NS into that list.
But we are continuing to work with Valve on getting NS into that list. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What is the primary obstacle?
Valve
Time, theirs and ours... We have been focussed on 3.0, and they are very much focussed on Steam and DoD:S (as well as continuing HL2 stuff)
But, we are working on getting the issues addressed, and it's still a priority for us.
The latter.
Agreed, even more than CS (*throws up)
I thought if you had it under My Games, valve would have to have the rights to the title?
Would it confuse people to see natural selection up there with the main list of games? Of course, what about all those other games like codename gordon and classic deathmatch and stuff.... I could live with it :-P Also talk about a massive influx of players... probably get a couple thousand easily. All the CS players would have something new to play
But we are continuing to work with Valve on getting NS into that list. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
doesn't NS has to be an official MOD to be in the "my games" list ?
this exactly what Flayra don't want to make with NS.
listen to this interview here
<a href='ftp://games.surftown.dk/ns/pr/NSinterview.mp3' target='_blank'>audio interview with Flayra</a> (it's about 30MB)
the part starts at 45:16 mins
so I'm a little bit confused about that <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Would you really want the CS people to play? Most of them just switch sides, or disconnect when they show any sign of losing. (Used to work at a gaming center, so I have witnessed this en masse, first hand)
And they'd complain about SoF, para being akin to wallhacks. They'd moan that marines have all the best guns, and that aliens are crap. They'd scream "HAX0R!!!!" when a skulk kills them. They'd be looking for a sniper rifle, or an M4A1, and never play NS again when they realise that it's not in it, neither is the AK47.
I personally wouldn't want CS-minded players to play NS, or at least not on the servers that I play on...
Would you really want the CS people to play? Most of them just switch sides, or disconnect when they show any sign of losing. (Used to work at a gaming center, so I have witnessed this en masse, first hand)
And they'd complain about SoF, para being akin to wallhacks. They'd moan that marines have all the best guns, and that aliens are crap. They'd scream "HAX0R!!!!" when a skulk kills them. They'd be looking for a sniper rifle, or an M4A1, and never play NS again when they realise that it's not in it, neither is the AK47.
I personally wouldn't want CS-minded players to play NS, or at least not on the servers that I play on... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was being sarcastic :-P
We already have enough whiney CS players playing it
lol, for about 5 minutes in a game i was in this guy was asking "how do i get weapons" "what is a infantry portal for"
haha, we had him trying to bind a "buy" key for a while but he couldn't figure it out :-P
Really guys, be nice to new players, it isn't going to kill you. Twice have I scrimmed against CS clans trying out NS and they were more than nice. In fact, they acted more adult-like and mature, as well as having good attitudes, than most omega and delta teams. Not to say that they knew what they were doing, but they were more amiable players than the status quo that you magically expect from regular NS gamers, considering they can be just as bad, if not worse, than an edgy 16 year old who thinks hes hot **** at CS. Nothing makes you better than them, like I said before, try and be nice.
Official...
Not owned by Valve...
That is 2 completely different things..
As far as I can remember TFC, CodeName Gordon are not Valve owned..
Simply put it's a way for Valve to extend it's sales reach.. You want to play Natural Selection, then you have to buy HL.. And the more people that can find NS and quality mods like that, the better sales Valve will do. So it's really a win-win..
Flay's comments were about selling NS to Valve...
yes but Flayra said that valve has to buy the rights for that.
and also valve hasn't offered and he's not interested (these are his words!)
he added "So I think that's never gonna happen"
I think you mean that it will just appear in the "my games" list like Sven Coop but it won't be an official MOD under valve's influence right ?
same for me! I played CS since it's release of the beta 2 and I stopped playing it when it was at version 1.5 ..I thought about to stop playing since 1.3 but I was too much addicted <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
then I stopped playing CS for about 1 year and started playing NS in January 2004. I liked the mod because of the oldschool feeling like it was back in 1998 and the years after with lots of cool mods like "Cold Ice" and so on =)
I totally dislike most of the CS players today because they mostly got their own "language" (if you can call that a language <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->) and they are annoying when they join an NS game.
yes but Flayra said that valve has to buy the rights for that.
and also valve hasn't offered and he's not interested (these are his words!)
he added "So I think that's never gonna happen"
I think you mean that it will just appear in the "my games" list like Sven Coop but it won't be an official MOD under valve's influence right ?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Correct, though it will appear in the "my games" list.. Valve will have no influence over the direction of it..
That same 60% would be a thorn on our side. CS players just stereotype all other mods to be LIKE CS, so we would be getting alot of "how to get bigger gun?" and other stuff similar.
Yeck, 16 year old guy who think he all that at CS....i knew someone like that. he was so influential at school that i didn't dare critisize him <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> It was annoying as hell being in the same class when he tells us about how he's in some stpuid tournament for 45 straight minuits.
As far as I can remember TFC, CodeName Gordon are not Valve owned..
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Just to help you out, TFC is an official mod.
So that's why DoD:S is not yet out and CS:S took more than a year <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'd love to see NS get an icon next to it's name.
We want My Games support. Valve wants to get us My Games suport. But both sides happen to have a lot of side business going, if you see what I mean. We will try to get on one page. More, we can not say.
Here is the REAL "My Games List" question on everybody's mind:
Fade eye or Hive for the icon? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
We want My Games support. Valve wants to get us My Games suport. But both sides happen to have a lot of side business going, if you see what I mean. We will try to get on one page. More, we can not say. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Side business, eh? Does that mean we should get ready for the UWE-Valve-Blizzard alliance against the evil Vivendi overlords? <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You just need to ask the right questions... we can't promise things that are not completely under our own control.
"Is the NS team still trying to get NS on the My Games list?" - Yes
"Is Valve still offering to put NS on the My Games list?" - Yes
"Can you tell us when that will happen?" - No
"Do you yourself know when that will happen?" - No
"Can you say for sure that it will happen at all?" - No
"Would Valve control NS content after it's on the My Games list?" - No
"Would Valve control the NS development schedule after it's on the My Games list?" - No
"Would Valve control the release schedule of NS updates after it's on the My Games list?" - Yes
"Would Valve control the future of the NS universe after it's on the My Games list?" - No
"Would Valve be able to make their own NS products after it's on the My Games list?" - No
"Would UWE be able to make new NS products after it's on the My Games list?" - Yes
"Will I have to buy anything extra to play NS after it's on the My Games list?" - No
"Will NS be sold in stores like CS was after it's on the My Games list?" - No
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd love to see NS get an icon next to it's name.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Me too <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.