Custommap Ns_source_b34 Released

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  • Lt_GravityLt_Gravity Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15909Members
    edited February 2005
    back from holiday. and tomorrow is the day of the rr. holidays are a real pool of ideas so I guess this one will blow your minds.
    and Im waiting for the "story"-soundfiles from Lt. Realness to place it into the map.

    and btw: no answer from nemesis during this week, so WHO should I bother with that instead?
  • komastakomasta Join Date: 2005-01-15 Member: 35575Members
    I don't mean to be noobish and all but, I've installed severaly mods for the source engine that work great and I made a folder called nss in the sourcemods folder. I unziped this beta there, and it didn't work. I tried unziping it into the ns folder for hl1 and it still didn't work. Can you get me a readme or tell me what im doing wrong.
  • brute_forcebrute_force Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21433Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-komasta+Feb 5 2005, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (komasta @ Feb 5 2005, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't mean to be noobish and all but, I've installed severaly mods for the source engine that work great and I made a folder called nss in the sourcemods folder. I unziped this beta there, and it didn't work. I tried unziping it into the ns folder for hl1 and it still didn't work. Can you get me a readme or tell me what im doing wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You're kidding right? Did you even read the thread?
  • komastakomasta Join Date: 2005-01-15 Member: 35575Members
    edited February 2005
    my bad i didn't read this carefully enough

    the name is ns_source and it isn't a mod, my bad.
  • Once_OnlyOnce_Only Join Date: 2004-05-15 Member: 28700Members
    lol <!--emo&::nerdy::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/nerd-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='nerd-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->



    This is a really great map, hope it gets official, then mabye people will vote for something other than tanith all the time on australian servers <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Lt_GravityLt_Gravity Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15909Members
    dont just hope, do something about it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> maybe playing it on our server (ip and name in my signature).

    no reply from tyr nemesis yet <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Lt.RealnessLt.Realness Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Members
    edited February 2005
    Gravity what's the status on the Email you send to Nemesis Zero. btw we should meet in teamspeak2 or irc soon because I want to know what and how many sounds you need..and also what's going on with the other radio sounds we haven't edited yet (manipulated). I haven't seen you for a few days in teamspeak2 now, so that's why I'm posting it in here.
  • NolSinklerNolSinkler On the Clorf Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26560Members, Constellation
    Looks like a very nice map.
  • Lt_GravityLt_Gravity Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15909Members
    edited February 2005
    news:

    - redesigning vehicle parking <span style='color:green'>> done <</span>
    so task 1 of 4 has been completed. no, Im definetely not the lazy type...

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/centercross/ns_source/vehicle_before.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
    beta 33 version. some problems with range of fire. the location only got 1 regular exit.

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/centercross/ns_source/vehicle_now.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
    redone area. might look slightly weird at first. thats because the garage doors were moved in height as well as in depth. I added a transparent part to the doors so the vehicles can be seen.
    no we got 2 exits in his location, one leading to the vehicle elevator, another leading directly to the surface elevators. another plannd out route will lead from vehicle elevators to the colling drainage. so I replaced one centered route with one route south and another one north of it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    the engines on the left side of the area (not in the picture) had been replaced by an elevatorshaft "ripped" from ns_source_b22 build 45. resource nozzle stays although some players mentioned the distance to the marinebase to be too close. lightning needs some fixing. the vent exit stays the same but the route will lead up and THROUGH the garages so alien players can have a closer look at the nicemodel.

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/centercross/ns_source/vehicle_unskinned.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
    view trough window. nicely unskinned. I call it "the lollipop car" <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> there is still some space left in the credits..
  • Lt.RealnessLt.Realness Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Members
    damn!! that kicks ****!!! =)
    nice work! I couldn't believe it until I saw the pictures
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    We did some playtesting of this map on LM, a little hide and seek and a little playthrough. I crashed out when the burntnozzle model tryed to load, but this is still by far the sexiest map I have ever played, gives me a whole new impression of what is possible in the realm of NS mapping. If I can get it working properly I'm going to be voteing to play this map alot more often, I'd love to do anything I can to help balance it in real play situations.

    Anyways, awesome job.

    If you haven't already, you are doing a diservice to yourself as a mapper if you don't give this map a runthrough. Parts of this map are just unbeliveable, and the whole deal redifines NS in terms of architexture.
  • Lt_GravityLt_Gravity Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15909Members
    edited February 2005
    constructive criticism is something I can build on ^^

    the nozzle thing could be a proble of preloading models, we had the same problem till I fixed the zipped files. thhe second nozzle in the marinestart will be removed probably removed. first of all it still confuses players ("there is a bug in the marinestart, I cant build the second res tower.") and the hitbox is completely messed up. maybe some clear defined architecture as exchange <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    still working at the vehicle elevator. its a pretty hard job because I tricked myself with weird connecting architecture. guess it will take 4 more weeks to the next beta. but this one will bepretty much finished besides some minor fixes. the worst bugs had been fixed, some "specials" like the func_rotating at crusher has been removed.

    so much left to do...

    @ Swiftspear: whenever there is an ns_source testgame again, please contact me so I can join it. would be nice.
  • CrispyCrispy Jaded GD Join Date: 2004-08-22 Member: 30793Members, Constellation
    Is that the only view of the tank? It seems a pity to only have a rear view, you don't seem to get a full understanding of the design. I'd suggest putting it in a sunken bay so that you look down on it from that door (this will also make the map seem larger and more complex because of the extra height variance).

    I wish my bro's PC hadn't died. The few precious days I have back in the UK and his PC dies so I can't play Hulk, Source, and Confused map (the name escapes me).
  • Lt_GravityLt_Gravity Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15909Members
    crispy, just WAIT. aliens can get a pretty good view on the top of it when using the airduct through the garages. the commander gets a clear view on top from his perspective. and even marines will be able to locate a separated vehicle in one of the locations. but the really important thing: who the hell will finally be able/willing to skin it? Im sick of begging...
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Lt Gravity+Feb 20 2005, 01:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt Gravity @ Feb 20 2005, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> @ Swiftspear: whenever there is an ns_source testgame again, please contact me so I can join it. would be nice. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Meh, it was on reg night, we had the server passworded and the playercount was 17/17 anyways. Unless you are an LM slotter you would have had no chance of staying in long.

    Generally speaking we play customs on LM compleatly by impulse, the mapvote just kind of comes up and we play it. I'll let the rest of the comunity know that you are intersested in PTing with us in the future, but I myself can't really promise anything (you may have more luck contacting some of the admins)

    FYI: I love the fact that you included a minimap with this map, it makes learing the map several times easier, which is a blessing for custom maps, because they have to be compleatly relearned.
  • Lt_GravityLt_Gravity Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15909Members
    edited February 2005
    swiftspear: I wanted to create a minimap with names but I waas too lazy. and I was pretty shure that some ares will change. so here we go.

    first thing I have to explain something. in case someone may have missed it: people like me are far away to be descripted as normal. each language has its own correct term to describe it, most would call it insanity.
    many people wondered when I told the mabout changing some locations. "why? its perfect." some people dont understand IT. Im shure only a mapper can understand t anyways...

    VEHICLE ELEVATOR BETA33
    ------------------------
    I never liked it much and never spent much time in none of the versins of it. so it looked like crap. no details and with por gameplay value. although we made a nice reloc in the garage once.
    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/centercross/ns_source/elev1_b33.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/centercross/ns_source/elev2_b33.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    VEHICLE ELEVATOR BETA34 / RC1
    -----------------------------
    and the "oh god, now he got completely mad!!!"-version (but still WIP)

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/centercross/ns_source/elev1_b34.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/centercross/ns_source/elev2_b34.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    lightning is little bit poor atm. take a closer look at te screenshots: on the left and right side of the elevator are ladders so you have to be a perfect target while climbing the ladder (like in beta 33).
    this was a really hard one. spend 2 days on making shure the location makes sense. another addition is the holographic sign. a decision I made this week was to add this signs in some spots of the map. other examples?

    VEHICLE PARKING
    ---------------

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/centercross/ns_source/garages1_b34.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    signs indicating the vehicles status, number 1. still charging, number 2. ready for work. btw grizzly send the changed skin to me so we now have decent looking model. something I cant show properly by taking screenshots is the airduct leading through the garages in the ceiling. you have to see it to believe it <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    THE PIT
    -------

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/centercross/ns_source/sealed_b34.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    entity waste at its best <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    SURFACE ELEVATORS
    -----------------

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/centercross/ns_source/surface1_b34.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />

    maybe I will have to change this a little bit. but this is the new entrance to the surface elevators (route from vehicle parking). atm its the only weldspot in the map. once welded the damaged door opens.

    STATUS:
    woah! another weekend ends... but two task out of four has been accomplished (nearly): new version of the vehicle parking including a fixed "vent" and a new version of the vehicle elevator. two missing: new crusher with connection corridors to other routes and the fixed res extraction area with an additional route to "the source" hive.
    new textures had been added for the signs, seem to be little rough but this is something that will possibly fixed last. realness is working on some new soundfiles... and the dropship still needs a skin :/
    second message to tyr nemesis had also been unanswered.
    but there is nothing that could stop me NOW <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    PS: dont drool on my thread!
  • StavesacreStavesacre Join Date: 2003-09-13 Member: 20816Members, Constellation
    Gaaahhhh! *Drool*







    Sorry.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Stavesacre+Feb 27 2005, 03:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stavesacre @ Feb 27 2005, 03:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gaaahhhh! *Drool*







    Sorry. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ditto
  • ChronoChrono Local flyboy Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18989Members
    love the hologram signs with the barcode keep up the awsome work <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Lt.RealnessLt.Realness Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Members
    wow ! nice work Gravity! I really like the hologram signs (just as you told me before that I'll if I gonna see it <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)

    I'll talk to you this week because of the sounds (finally <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
  • cariocacarioca Join Date: 2003-09-02 Member: 20511Members
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> finally u hear the signs, i told u to put signs eheheh. now make a good look of detail ^^.
    when ns_source will be the official one?
  • Lt_GravityLt_Gravity Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15909Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-carioca+Mar 1 2005, 09:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (carioca @ Mar 1 2005, 09:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> finally u hear the signs, i told u to put signs eheheh. now make a good look of detail ^^.
    when ns_source will be the official one? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    regarding to what tyr nemesis told me (after I got onto his nerves by sending a secon pm after 3 weeks of waiting): never.

    but maybe thats what Im thinking. nevertheless - I dont quit work yet. I just DONT.
    but its kinda sad: every time I check the servers the only custom "maps" are siege and boxmaps. not a single custom ns map in the cycles. only server with ns_source in the cycle is our own. always empty.

    never quit the work until its done...
  • Meat_PopsicleMeat_Popsicle Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19254Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->regarding to what tyr nemesis told me (after I got onto his nerves by sending a secon pm after 3 weeks of waiting): never.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    yeah im getting pretty sick of waiting, i didnt even get a response the first time i submitted ns_training and i doubt i'll get one from him this time <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Zunni helped a lot with the first one, and Flayra who said he'd like to test it so ive sent it to them as well.

    and is that all he replied to u "never.", thats a bit harsh isnt considering the amount of effort that goes into a map and especially this map far exceedes the quality of maps like nancy
  • Lt.RealnessLt.Realness Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Members
    I don't understand why they're ignoring such a beautiful map like this! I send 2 PM s with Flayra too and he said that he's going to resend it to Nemesis again. but I didn't get any feedback of him since the last PM he send me.
    I'd definitely have this map official than any ns_bast or ns_ayumi !!

    I think we all should open a vote so the devs can see if the idea is good to make this map official =)
  • Lt_GravityLt_Gravity Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15909Members
    edited March 2005
    I hope tyr nemesis doesnt take this as an offence when I post this here.

    <!--QuoteBegin-tyr nemesis+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tyr nemesis)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you had 500 such messages in a given week, and a social life, and other personal interests, what would YOU think if each one of those persons sent you an impolite forum PM complaining that you hadn't responded?


    <span style='color:orange'>We are in a tricky phase of development where I am not disposed toward concerning myself with adding new content yet.</span>
    I have all those emails stashed away somewhere so I can read them and deal with them when I need them.

    The page that allows you to send me an email clearly states that you should not expect a response for every submission.

    QUOTE
    Not every map submission will get a response, but all maps will be seen by the development team. Please do not re-submit maps unless you have made significant changes since last submitting them.


    Thank you.

    Tyr<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    this was his reply on my slightly disappointed second pm.
    the orange passage doesnt exactly mean never but it doesnt mean anything positiv for me at the moment <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> however, I can understand his point of view. and I HAVE to deal with it.

    the only thing I can do is to work the hell out of this map. may be little difficult in the next months to have some time left for ns_source because I have to prepare for my final examination. after that its time to earn some MORE money <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->


    but I will do my very best to create a map players have fun on/with. THATS the goal. try to stop me <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    PS: vote for this map if you feel to but dont annoy the devs. may make things worse.
  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    We've been in lockdown mode for the last few weeks just trying to polish up and fix what we currently have without adding anything new. Don't get discouraged. Just wait till 3.0 is out then try sending a copy to one of the PT leads and see if they'll arrange the playtests.
  • Meat_PopsicleMeat_Popsicle Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19254Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->QUOTE
    Not every map submission will get a response, but all maps will be seen by the development team<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    how can the mappers possibly kno that the devs hav looked at a map if they dont even reply to acknowledge receiving it, this is incredibly frustrating after putting so many 100s of hours into making a map.. and there wuldnt even be a problem if Tyr had pm'd Lt Gravity or me back to beginwith just to say hes looked at it but cant accept or decline any maps at the moment <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> and its not as if were submitting ns_siege here
  • KungFuDiscoMonkeyKungFuDiscoMonkey Creator of ns_altair 日本福岡県 Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14555Members, NS1 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos
    Tyr has been fairly busy lately and his absence has left somewhat of a void. That's why I would suggest talking with one of the PT leads for the time being and see if they can help you.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts
    There really needs to be better dev communication with the mappers. When a mapper asks a question like "Has my map been playtested at all?" they ought to get an accurate response. If they ask a question like "When do you expect to be considering new maps for inclusion?" they ought to get a response. If they ask a question like "When can I expect to hear about the prospects for my map?" they ought to get a response. This ought to be the baseline of politeness just out of respect for the mapper.
  • Lt_GravityLt_Gravity Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15909Members
    edited March 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Meat Popsicle+Mar 2 2005, 01:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Meat Popsicle @ Mar 2 2005, 01:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and its not as if were submitting ns_siege here <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    lets see:

    <!--QuoteBegin-Lt. Gravity+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lt. Gravity)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Im sorry when you got it the wrong way. Im also sorry you got a wrong impression of me.
    maybe its because Im not the patient type wink-fix.gif
    anyways, when you take a look at the map I you will shurely agree with me that this is NOT a "ns/co_xyz_puttogetherinsomeweeks" crap, more likely a project that took 22 months so far. it would not have taken 22 months if I hadnt got a social life, believe me.
    I do understand you point perfectly. but you are the god of the mapping forum. so who should be annoyed by me instead? biggrin-fix.gif

    Lt. Gravity<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    that was my answer to tyr. weird, exactly what you said meat <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    this would not be a problem for the mappers knowing WHO to send their maps to, ergo who has the time and the attitude to check all those incomming mails, although most of them will be "ns_myboxmap_*anynumber*". and WHO will take a deeper look at them and at least give an reply like "got your map. please be patient, it may take some time till you get an answer. thx for your submission and your dedication."
    and if anyone would tell me, that its the name of the map that makes someones head ache, then I would change it....

    back to topic: dont have the time to work on the map this week and some easy areas like the exit of the "vehicle elevator" (ladders) take much time. thats why Im taking this long, Im able to complicate all the simple tasks <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    but I got some time *coughcough at school coughcough* to draw a quick concept for the alternate "the source" hive area. and nearly fell off my chair when I thought about what is missing in this mining environmetn. a BRIDGE. not to mention that this bridge will be completely infested on the hive end <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> but this will take... days, weeks, months...

    edit: just read your post moultano. only add one thing: exspecially for mappers that put TONS of blood and sweat into their projects. because some people dont feel well when thinking about their xx-months work is not even noticed.
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