Hl2 Smg

NoKudos · January 2005

<div class="IPBDescription">omg!</div> I think it would be cool to have HL2's SMG for the marines. <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Drfuzzy · January 2005

I think it would be illegal.

Chubi_Chan · January 2005

Closest you'll get to the HL2 smg is the OICW HMG and grenade launcher.If I can find out how,imma use the HL2 sprite from the weapon selection.It's actually in the demo's True Text file <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' />

slayerkl2 · January 2005

theres a version of a handmade tmp look a like hl2 one on csnation i think look in there tmp section

sheena_yanai · January 2005

but,,the hl2 one isnt a tmp...its supposed to be a HK mp7 PDW ..odd thing is in hl2 it got 2 barrels sticking out on the front <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' />

<img src='http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/pdw_02s.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
<img src='http://www.hlportal.de/images/content/hl2/weapons/smg.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
and its way to short... looks retarded..the grip can barely hold a magazine <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />
poopy mp7

Chubi_Chan · January 2005

the HL2 version has 2 barrels due to the grenade launcher alt. fire...

but hey,think gorden cares if it's too short?!he just needs to fit all that in his HEV suit <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /> think a RPG is short...he's gotta have some way to hold all those weapons <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' />

(thinks how gorden would love a fold up attache breifcase that's really a machine gun of crack times 10.Like G-man has)

sheena_yanai · January 2005

i KNEW this response will come... but now..cmon.. 9mm grenades? how retarded is that? and how to reload that mini mini mini grenade launcher?

Dark_Soul · January 2005

wth is wrong with this topics structure? or is it just on my pc?

anyway, the HL2 models should not be considered be converted, since they kinda suck
you can get way better mp7's on various CS sites

i got a great one right here, which i consider to be the best one around, modeled by Fiblah and skinned by the infamous Galen

<img src='http://gunshop.clandeadgoat.net/weapons/154/1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
(ok, minus ths silencer and little smoothing errors)

<a href='http://gunshop.clandeadgoat.net/show_model.php?id=154' target='_blank'>link</a>

sheena_yanai · January 2005

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' />

Dark_Soul · January 2005

LOL !

ok just use the link under the pic <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Chubi_Chan · January 2005

but when ya think about it,what else are they gonna use...The OICW was cut for the pulse rifle (thus the give thing for it is ar2,Assult Rifle 2) and the grenade launcher was cut,but the model was modified for the pulse rifle

also,think about the caliber of stuff.look at the m16,and notice it has a 40MM under barrel launcher.20mm is considered light artillery caliber based.Also,the OICW is "considered" light artillary due to the 20mm "cannon" mounted on top.

<a href='http://www.hkpro.com/oicw.htm' target='_blank'>link to all the official OICW data</a>

A_Boojum_Snark · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Drfuzzy @ Jan 19 2005, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I think it would be illegal.  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
It would?
I know nothing of such legalities, but I would think backwards-porting a model from a company's engine to an older engine of theirs would be ok... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />

DragonMech · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (A Boojum Snark @ Jan 21 2005, 01:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Drfuzzy @ Jan 19 2005, 07:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> I think it would be illegal. </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
It would?
I know nothing of such legalities, but I would think backwards-porting a model from a company's engine to an older engine of theirs would be ok... <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' />  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
I think it would be illegal if:
1) You were trying to pass it off as your own work.
2) Trying to make money off it without the developer's approval (probably written), or
3) Sharing it without the consent of the original author.

Chrono · January 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Jan 20 2005, 11:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> but,,the hl2 one isnt a tmp...its supposed to be a HK mp7 PDW  </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> 
its in the TMP section because its a tmp replacement for counter strike <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

im pretty sure its illegal because of the intelectual property and whatnot its the same reason you cant bring the doom3 models into NS

A_Boojum_Snark · January 2005

Yes, but that is taking something from id's game and porting it to a mod for valve's game.

The way I see it, if you can use HL1 stuff (models, textures, sprites) in HL1 mods, and you can use HL2 stuff in HL2 mods, why couldn't you use HL2 stuff in HL1 mods, or vise versa.

...maybe I'll email valve about this... >_>

slayerkl2 · January 2005

yah this one as i mentioned before?
<a href='http://www.csnation.net/skins/view_skin.php?id=5411' target='_blank'>http://www.csnation.net/skins/view_skin.php?id=5411</a>
this one is like the hl2 one but more like the real pic that u have above the hl2 one

MiMiC · February 2005

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sheena yanai @ Jan 21 2005, 02:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>i KNEW this response will come... but now..cmon.. 9mm grenades? how retarded is that? and how to reload that mini mini mini grenade launcher?</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>
9mm?! The PDW fires 4.6x30, and since both barrels look the same size, i think it would be alright to assume that any grenades would need to be a similar size as well.

The grip is way too small to fit a magazine, too (4.6x30 is long ammo, after all) <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' />

Owen1 · February 2005

reason HL2 smg is how it is... FUTURE. plain and simple not caring about continuity in weapons. If you wanted a realistic smg with a GL, then you'd be running around, shooting something about 5 times, then the recoil would rip the gun up to the roof (the pdw does that btw). When you fired a grenade you would be met with extreme recoil, and i mean real extreme, (if you hold an m16 w/ m203 wrong, it'll break every bone surrounding your deltoid muscle).

Now, back to the request. I'm gonna say I dont want to have it personally, I didn't like the idea of an SMG, I'm a rifle guy, plain and simple.

Chubi_Chan · February 2005

Yeah,but a rifle kicks harder then a SMG,thus law enforcement tends to use carbines and SMG's over rapid fire rifles.additionally...

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>With a conventional 20 round magazine in the pistol grip or an optional 40 round magazine that extends below the gun, one of the most amazing aspects of the gun is its size, or lack thereof. It is only slightly larger than a SOCOM pistol!</td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'>

As well,it depends on how your trained to fire a weapon,and how the weapon fires.A revolver puts another bullet in the chamber by rotateing the ammo drum.An automatic weapon reloads by means of recoil.You can twist your elbow to absorb recoil from non-automatic weapons.If you try to do this with a automatic weapon,you'll interupt the reloading cycle and probably jam the weapon.I know this from fireing my .357 hunting magnum.At first I didn't try to absorb the recoil,untill my friend noted I hadn't try to do so,and pointed it out.I learned about the automatic jamming issues through them happening to me.

So in general,a grenade launcher like the ORIGINAL NS one that has a ammo drum then you can let loose and absorb the recoil.Same way for most modern grenade launchers.Alot of the ones that don't breech load/ammo drum reload/have a non-automatic way of loading normally have a fireing stand.<a href='http://www.hkpro.com/gmg.htm' target='_blank'>As demostrated here.</a>

funbags · February 2005

The fact that Valve is mod-friendly, and loves every mod team because it makes them money (I bought HL so I could play DoD), the fact that we're porting it to their own engine, and it's not a concept gun, it's an HK gun makes me think that it is alright. If I knew how, I would. I would not fear the consequences, because I truely believe there would be no consequences.

Chubi_Chan · February 2005

Yeah,as long as we don't use the actual model itself,we should be fine.

Another note on the grenade launcher issue,I don't recall the MP5 haveing a grenade launcher and yet in HL1 it did.I might be wrong though,but I don't particually remember it haveing one...

Hl2 Smg

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