Was This The Gl?!

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  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    I have to admit, back when the nade launcher had a much shorter reload time, it was more useful. Now it's the 20 resource gun that has a reload cycle longer than War & Peace, forces you to reload tubes that you already loaded if you switch during reload, and won't save you from anything except possibly a gorge or some OCs. The fact that it goes around walls and over fences is hardly enough of a benefit to outweigh the complete uselessness and counterintuitivity and expense of the damn thing. At the very least, making the shells more bouncy and ricochetable and adding some velocity to them might be a nice idea. I'd love to be able to shoot a grenade from one side of Viaduct to the other without raising my recticle above 30 degrees, or bounce it all the way down a hallway from outside the room. If the GL was more like an unpowered rocket launcher, I'd love to use it. Maybe if the explosion was a little heftier too.

    However, I'm stupid, please explain how these changes would kill balance.
  • AlkillerAlkiller Join Date: 2004-05-23 Member: 28847Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swift Idiot+Jan 25 2005, 02:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Jan 25 2005, 02:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now it's the 20 resource gun... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It only costs 15 now <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    What you see there is the first NS weapon model ever created. Bathroom Monkey created it when the OICW was not as well known as today and essentially a grounded 'futuristic' weapon design. Time kinda took us over in that regard. Still, I have to admit to a certain weakness for the model.
  • Bait_BoyBait_Boy Join Date: 2004-05-14 Member: 28672Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+Jan 25 2005, 04:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Jan 25 2005, 04:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Still, I have to admit to a certain weakness for the model. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Using it as my Lmg now

    <3 1.04! Spikes where art thou?
  • ThaldarinThaldarin Alonzi&#33; Join Date: 2003-07-15 Member: 18173Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+Jan 24 2005, 08:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Jan 24 2005, 08:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yep, that's the GL. How you could possibly see that as better than the current GL I have no idea. The current model is designed, used, and moves realistically. That model looks like what it was designed to be, a machine gun. And I wouldn't take it over the current HMG or LMG model either. I heard at one point they were planning on saving it to use as another weapon, but I assume those plans were scrapped a long time ago. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree. Grenades in a clip didn't feel right to me.
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    A fond memory of the old GL model was jping around in 1.04 hera with mp_bulletcam 1 [it put your POV into the grenade it shot, or so it was going to but never was finished to it kinda gave you wacky third person style view, sometimes in the model, sometimes behind it, etc <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • enf0rcerenf0rcer intrigued... Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14584Members
    it didn't look as good in first person as it does renderd like that. It's still pretty awesome though. I'm pretty sure an LMG replacement was made out of it. If you like it that much you should check it out.
  • Dark_Shimmer1Dark_Shimmer1 Join Date: 2003-06-24 Member: 17666Members
    Why would grenades in a clip be wrong? Grenades are just big **** bullets that have an explosive payload.

    You can get shotguns with clips.

    You might need some mechanical assistance to chamber a round (probably not enough blow back to chamber the heavier round) but a bolt action grenade launcher would still be very, very fast.
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    I hardly saw that model in 1.0. Why use a GL when you can use the HMG for the same purpose <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • tseepratseepra Join Date: 2002-12-11 Member: 10530Members
    That gl had the sexiest reload animation ever, it was even better than the pistol reload.

    But really it dosen't look like a gl, it looks more like a shotgun than anything.
  • VarsityVarsity Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25687Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Swift Idiot+Jan 24 2005, 07:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ Jan 24 2005, 07:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What was really fun was when you could fill your weapons straight from the armory instead of needing to reload. You just fire two nades, click the armory, fire two nades, click, etc. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Or better still stand facing an armoury and hold down fire and use at the same time. A constant stream of nades. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Worked wonders defending the old bast MS.
  • ChurchChurch Meatshield grunt-fodder // Has pre-ordered NS2 Join Date: 2002-12-31 Member: 11646Members, Constellation
    I remmeber pressing the FLASHLIGHT and use at the same time. Double the ammo.
  • NGENGE Join Date: 2003-11-10 Member: 22443Members
    Don't forget the leet timeing trick to get your initial 150 LMG rounds and full pistol setup lightning fast
  • RaVeRaVe Join Date: 2003-06-20 Member: 17538Members
    edited January 2005
    The older GL was more useful, but I hated it. Back then, GLs hurt way too much. Well, they still do, but at least it acts like a real grenade launcher now, instead of an automatic grenade launcher that looks like an OICW.

    Have to admit tough, looks nice as an LMG....
  • SpazmaticSpazmatic Join Date: 2003-05-10 Member: 16184Members
    The old GL was nice (gameplay), especially since lerk flight was predictable. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    The model was gorgeous too, but... NOT a grenade launcher. It looks like a double-barreled machine gun with a welder on the bottom. Admittedly, it looks decent as an lmg (especially since the existing one looks like a toy with a broken scope... I have a hard time imagining how it could kill a hive, even if it shot a gazillion peas).
  • ByekaByeka Name changed from Freak83 Toronto Join Date: 2003-03-13 Member: 14484Members, Constellation
    It's so weird to see people astonished at the old GL. I remember having it like it there like it was yesterday, it makes me feel like an old timer in the NS universe.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    edited February 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-FreakEightyThree+Feb 1 2005, 10:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FreakEightyThree @ Feb 1 2005, 10:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's so weird to see people astonished at the old GL.  I remember having it like it there like it was yesterday, it makes me feel like an old timer in the NS universe. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree, actually. I remember being excited by the screenshots of the new GL and it's crosshair <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> (remember that video that displayed the way skulks orientate on walls/ceilings, with the GLer desperately trying to hit it?)
  • SpazmaticSpazmatic Join Date: 2003-05-10 Member: 16184Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->remember that video that displayed the way skulks orientate on walls/ceilings, with the GLer desperately trying to hit it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I still wake up in a cold sweat from the excitement.

    (Well, not really, but I still get excited when skulks pivot.)
  • BloodBallBloodBall Join Date: 2003-07-11 Member: 18098Members
    i used that as my HMG model for a while
  • MoebiusMoebius Join Date: 2002-08-01 Member: 1045Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-FreakEightyThree+Feb 1 2005, 02:42 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FreakEightyThree @ Feb 1 2005, 02:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's so weird to see people astonished at the old GL.  I remember having it like it there like it was yesterday, it makes me feel like an old timer in the NS universe.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You feel like an old timer eh <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I must be ancient.
  • NovakoalaNovakoala Join Date: 2002-07-17 Member: 962Members, Constellation
    The old grenade launcher, once upon a time, had an eight round clip. This was reduced to six rounds in one of the early patches and to just four rounds after 2.0 came out and they changed the weapon model (I think).

    Eight rounds + very short delay between shots + cheap as free = crazy fun. Yeah, it was kind of overpowered (well, massively overpowered) but it was great fun. You always knew things were going well when the comm would open the purse strings and dish out a few GLs. Adrenalin fueled grenade powered mayhem was always sure to ensue.

    I did like the older model, but the new model actually looks like a grenade launcher. With, you know. Grenades.

    1.0 ftw!

    <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> (what's this guy holding?)
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Oh yes. Especially since the hitboxes were broken, making gl spam a much better idea than trying to hit the 32x32x100 box that was the onos hitbox...
  • NeonSpyderNeonSpyder &quot;Das est NTLDR?&quot; Join Date: 2003-07-03 Member: 17913Members
    oh come on align, the onos hitbox wasn't <i><b>that</b></i> bad! i mean, you just had to know where it was and "blam" with your gun and with your teamates and the onos goes down! provided.. uhm, well, if your lucky... 1.04 onos kicked major tush.
  • LockNLoadedLockNLoaded Join Date: 2002-09-05 Member: 1282Members
    *cough* back to topic *cough*

    The 'old' GL model was nothing more than a placeholder for the eventual GL model we all see and use now.

    Thinking about it, i still miss the old reloading back in the classic days of 1.0x. The then GL load was truely leet...and it is nothing compared to 'spam' these days <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • That_Annoying_KidThat_Annoying_Kid Sire of Titles Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Align+Feb 4 2005, 05:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Feb 4 2005, 05:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oh yes. Especially since the hitboxes were broken, making gl spam a much better idea than trying to hit the 32x32x100 box that was the onos hitbox... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ehh it was just a big tube in the middle of the onos, crouching fades is what was annoying
  • AvengerXAvengerX Join Date: 2004-03-20 Member: 27459Banned
    I don't think the new GL is all that bad...but the new jetpack sounds.... thats another story.... I'll never really enjoy fighting wih a vacuum cleaner on my back...
  • MadJackMcJackMadJackMcJack Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11467Members
    Awwww yea, that's the bad boy. Twice as powerful as the one used now, and quicker to reload. Stitch THIS Onos boy! <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::onos::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tiny.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tiny.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • GrendelGrendel All that is fear... Join Date: 2002-07-19 Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
    Technically speaking, the original GL was an AK-47.
  • X_StickmanX_Stickman Not good enough for a custom title. Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15533Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Grendel+Feb 6 2005, 12:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Grendel @ Feb 6 2005, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Technically speaking, the original GL was an AK-47. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Not in an actual public release though. But some of the original screenshots are pretty funny to look at <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Are there any links to them nowadays?
  • CommunistWithAGunCommunistWithAGun Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
    They changed it because the old GL model was supposed to be the HMG model...the old model dosen't even look like a GL. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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