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Rapier7Rapier7 Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26108Members
<div class="IPBDescription">You are expendable.</div> I am sick of all these people who take extra precautions to not die. Oftentimes I'll have a bunch of marines in say...Central Access on Tanith trying to get into Cargo, which has 5 camping skulks, and nobody wants to be baited. I scream on my mic to get their **** moving but they just camp outside getting spored and wasting my time and res on medpacks.

Here's a thought for you: You are expendable. You come free from the IP, your death (in a large pub) means nothing. Do your duty to the death. It's for the greater good.

Now, you have to do it within limits. Charging a two hive fade with an HMG is stupid, regardless, but if we're trying to get into a crucial room, and nobody wants to be the sacrificial lamb, that's a problem. A very big problem. If Leetzor Clanner is over there and you're with him, and one of you has to die, let it be you. It's for the greater good.

NS is a team game. Teamwork involves sacrifices. We've got a bunch of people who arne't making those sacrifices.

Too many times have I seen marines just not do their duty because a lerk is sporing a hallway they have to get through. Is that phase almost done? Are 5 skulks coming after you? FINISH THE DAMN PHASE AND DIE SO I CAN RUSH THAT HIVE DOWN. You might get 3 of those skulks if you are über leet, but that leaves the other 2 to kill you, for no strategic advantage. Finish the phase and die so I can beacon rush the damn thing and win the game.

Remember, as a bog standard marine, you are expendable. You come free from the IP in ten seconds. Think like a religious fanatic, do your duty, die, and go to heaven. Except skip the heaven part, just do your duty and die, rinse and repeat.
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  • urinalcakeurinalcake Can&#39;t work a sound card United States Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7799Members
    I think I played that game with you.

    .. Today?

    On NSA?
  • MouseMouse The Lighter Side of Pessimism Join Date: 2002-03-02 Member: 263Members, NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Shadow
    As comm there are a few things you can do to remind your marines that they're expendable.
    Such as telling them, with no sugar coating, that there are 4 skulks coming and "You will die". Sometimes they don't, most of the time they do; either way, you're both aware of the potential outcome before it happens, allowing you both to deal with it with minimal kicking and screaming.

    On a similar note, most marines have a strange tendency to place the value of their life over the completion of a phase or any other structure in an area of contention. In some situations this is understandable, one skulk can be dealt with; it's not that big of an inturruption in the construction schedule. However I am mystified by the the actions of the lone marine who has the outlandish belief that he, on his lonesome, can take down the onos and have a short lunch break before getting back to building. I'm afraid, that for the most part, it isn't quite possible. So, what I suggest, is that you remind any marine in a similar situation, that yes "You will die" and that he must accept the fact that, as was once said by a very wise man, "**** does happen" so he should just build the goddamn phase before you are forced get out of the chair and build it yourself.
  • Router_BoxRouter_Box Join Date: 2004-09-07 Member: 31483Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    While deaths matter in the scope of things, It hurts a lot more to pussyfoot around cause your too afraid to be bold.

    lol @ the leetzor clanner line...
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    New battlecry:

    <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo--> : "For the commander!!!"
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
    edited January 2005
    Dying is not fun. Comprenday?
  • Rapier7Rapier7 Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26108Members
    Losing is a lot less fun than dying.
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    You forget our population of K:D worshippers. They don't care if they lose, so long as they lose with 5000000000000000000000000:0
  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    Not really. But I don't think that dead players are all that useful you know. I never saw a team of dead players win a game. Maybe it's just me.
  • TOmekkiTOmekki Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23524Members
    if theres 5 people in the spawn queue i just might try and keep myself alive a few more seconds. (and to nail 1 more skulk :P)
  • 2_of_Eight2_of_Eight Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20016Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-obuh+Jan 17 2005, 04:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (obuh @ Jan 17 2005, 04:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Not really. But I don't think that dead players are all that useful you know. I never saw a team of dead players win a game. Maybe it's just me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I don't think you don't understand.
    Let's say a ninja is trying to get a phase up in a hive. Nobody sees him, phase is almost complete; a second more of building will get it up. However, 5 skulks notice the ninja, and try to rush him.
    What not to do: shoot the skulks. Why? Because you <b>will not kill all of them</b>. Period. You might get 1, or 2, maybe even 4. Who knows. But you'll die, and the phase won't be done, and a great opportunity is wasted.
    What to do: finish the phase. Yes, you will die seconds after as the 5 skulks rush you, but you will have backup coming through the phase within seconds. Now, <b>there is a chance</b> of you getting control and stopping that 5-skulk rush.


    There.
  • Vader6Vader6 Join Date: 2004-11-07 Member: 32684Members
    people should have a little less regard for their virtual life as a marine with just a LMG, countless times have I been the only one getting the PG set up near a hive while everyone else is hiding, fades blinking past me like bullets, getting stomped by onii every 5 seconds, I normally get it 95% or so done, then I get killed by a skulk, and they manage to kill the PG cause no one helped.
  • OizonOizon Join Date: 2004-10-30 Member: 32524Members
    I think that every marine is expendable as long as it doesn't have any HA or Jp <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • tjosantjosan Join Date: 2003-05-16 Member: 16374Members, Constellation
    edited January 2005
    Live marines exercises map control, dead marines dont. This is a really important thing to realise, since if your marines die their fades will get res quicker, you'll lose your rts, which in turns means slower upgrades and all in all it's a recipy for disaster.

    Of course if you play like 12v12 then rush away, but that's not really NS, now is it?
  • AkumaAkuma Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9219Members, Constellation
    I can happily say I have no quams being bait, dieing, running around as my comm's little death boy, jumping off a platform (hera) or suiciding.

    Granted half the time I don't INTEND to be bait..but I seem to draw all skulks/fades/oni/whatever to me. I can be anywhere in a group of 5 marines and I will be the first to die, guarenteed, back or front or middle of group, doesn't matter.

    And most of the time..I will be the only one..I'm like a marine group blessing sacrifice.
  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Akuma+Jan 18 2005, 09:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Akuma @ Jan 18 2005, 09:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->

    I'm like a marine group blessing sacrifice. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Think thats going to my sig!
  • AkumaAkuma Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9219Members, Constellation
    I'm the sacrifice so gimme credit <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> We've killed a hive thanks to my corpse multiple times!
  • Swift_IdiotSwift_Idiot Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11883Members
    I'd rather be alive than dead. I'll go anywhere you want as long as you drop me meds and ammo. If you don't do that, you can hop out and bait for me yourself.
  • AkumaAkuma Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9219Members, Constellation
    Sometimes bait is handy. Like you saw the brief blips of 4-5 aliens hiding around corners and all waiting. If the team goes in together they WILL die, but if one person goes the aliens more then likely will jump on him..killing him quick but giving his team clear lines of fire on the aliens.
  • 2_of_Eight2_of_Eight Join Date: 2003-08-20 Member: 20016Members
    Bait, undoubtedly, is useful if there are Marines keeping their guns on him, ready to shoot whatever ambushes him. It's also a good idea to try to use HA for bait, since he might actually live, depending on how many attackers there are.
  • OizonOizon Join Date: 2004-10-30 Member: 32524Members
    The bait should just run like hell trough the corridor and when every alien is trying to eat him all the others are waiting behind a corner/box/whatever, this also keeps the aliens busy so the other team may have enough time to rush the hive <!--emo&::tsa::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tsa.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tsa.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BulletHeadBulletHead Join Date: 2004-07-22 Member: 30049Members
    instead of FOR ALLAH it's now FOR TEH CORNMANGOR!
  • MrBenMrBen ns_eclipse, ns_veil caretaker Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8575Members
  • VarsityVarsity Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25687Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-2 of Eight+Jan 18 2005, 12:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (2 of Eight @ Jan 18 2005, 12:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What to do: finish the phase. Yes, you will die seconds after as the 5 skulks rush you, but you will have backup coming through the phase within seconds. Now, <b>there is a chance</b> of you getting control and stopping that 5-skulk rush. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Backup that will immediately be destroyed by 5 skulks waiting around the PG. Unless of course you've already got a good bit of turretage already, but that's a different story.
  • AkumaAkuma Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9219Members, Constellation
    edited January 2005
    Mine spam their hive..its the only fun way of being expendable <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Nothing like sneaking into a hive with a buddy or two and setting up a bunch of mines before you die. Nothing like 12 mines in the hive room to annoy the HELL out of aliens =p and worth your death too! hehe

    We've killed an onos before because we ran in and saw the skulk become an egg, thought hey itll be fun to mine around the egg. Setup the mines all around the egg after shooting it a bit. onos popped out and set off all the mines at once =p
  • Rapier7Rapier7 Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26108Members
    Amazing how people will stop at nothing to scramble an egg or knife that gorge's fat **** but they won't finish a PG when a few skulks run towards them.
  • AkumaAkuma Join Date: 2002-11-18 Member: 9219Members, Constellation
    I try to finish a PG unless I'm carrying an HMG and JP. Then MY life can be more important as I'm probably more res then the PG and I have a better chance at killing a few skulks with said goodies. Although there are situations where finishing the PG is not worth it. A fade or onos coming in its probably gonna end up with your team phasing into death, not a kill of the alien (unless you've got like a team of 4 others all with goodies like HA and HMGs WAITING at the PG in base. Then finish the sucker!
  • ChareyCharey Join Date: 2004-08-07 Member: 30441Members
    About baiting, if one person has been perastied the he should be the bait becuse they know about him and if he is not the bait they will know about the rest of the team.
  • QwiXXeRQwiXXeR Join Date: 2004-11-05 Member: 32640Members
    edited January 2005
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rapier7+Jan 16 2005, 10:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rapier7 @ Jan 16 2005, 10:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Are 5 skulks coming after you? FINISH THE DAMN PHASE AND DIE SO I CAN RUSH THAT HIVE DOWN. You might get 3 of those skulks if you are über leet, but that leaves the other 2 to kill you<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I dont understand <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    U can lmg 4 skulks <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif' /><!--endemo--> and then pistol whip the 5th

    And if u are really **** at aiming .Then u can lmg 3 pistol 4 n a bit and then just nife the stupid skulk As it jumps over your head ?

    Then build the pg while 5 aliens are waiting in the spawn que ?
  • radforChristradforChrist USA Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6871Members, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Subnautica Playtester
    Actually, the moment I drop the 2nd IP, I tell my marines "you are expendable, now go die alot killing their res"


    Does the trick...
  • obuhobuh Not Quite Smart at NS Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15072Members, Constellation
    It'd be better if they manage to do the job without dying much. You know, like, not giving lots of rfk to aliens etc...
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