<!--QuoteBegin-007Bistromath+May 30 2004, 05:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (007Bistromath @ May 30 2004, 05:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Swift: I've no problem with people who want competitive play. The thing is, we aren't all trying to play tournaments. I actually would like to get into a tournament someday, but right now, nobody's signed me on. And that's fine. I actually like pubbing, most of the time. The main thing I don't like seeing is spawncamping where less than an eighth of the server holds off the entire opposition. That makes it boring for everybody who isn't doing that, and it turns the game into their own personal Combat. NS is supposed to be about <i>tactical</i> competition, not who's better at The CS Twitch.™ Dirty pool like that is fine in tournament play, if you can manage to do it. But you just don't <i>do</i> that on a pub, where not everybody has your 1337 5k1||z. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> If you think tactics have nothing to do with it, you are sorely mistaken. So what if people can twitch, FIND a way to beat it, not whine about it. Tactics are extremely important and is why a lot of aliens lose because they don't work together.
You also make the generalization that twich gamers can't use tactics. Sort of like the "dumb jock" stereotype that is put on football players by the kids who aren't popular in school. Just because people are great at one thing, doesn't mean they are terrible in another. Its the opposite, the more things you are good at, the quicker you learn other things because your confidence level is higher.
And do you expect everyone not to play better than the other players if they are capable to ? Last I checked its more fun to put people in the spawn queue than wait in one.
Personally, I kick or ban them, depending on the severity of their idiocy. But that doesn't help you.
Before you sell everything, try a repeated distress beacon. The moment they head the wrong direction, beacon them and tell them to try again. Encourage them as if they are two year olds trying to find their way to the potty. If after two or three beacons they still do not follow your orders, recycle the base. Even if you are winning--actually, <i>especially</i> if you are winning, recycle the base. It is the only way they will learn. ^^
On the subject of spawncamping: Most spawncamps I see (and do) in pubs occur when most of the alien team is alive and elsewhere on the map, and just too stupid to return to the hive and defend it.
<!--QuoteBegin-Firewater+May 31 2004, 11:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Firewater @ May 31 2004, 11:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You also make the generalization that twich gamers can't use tactics. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Where in my post did I say that? Nowhere. On the [HK] server in particular, the people doing this are very aware of solid, tactical play. I know, because I've seen them do it. They seem to enjoy it just fine when anybody else is in the chair. But when it's me, they throw that out the window, and just walk right in and start shooting.
When I comm I find that repeating yourself is a must. Say things numerous times, ei "PHASE TO CARGO, PHASE TO CARGO, PHASE TO CARGO!!!" This usually gets the close-to-almost-intelligent n00bs to listen. For those that continue to show their stupidity, you gotta lay the smackdown. I find that being a tirant-type commander is a must. Scream....loud...very loud. Cursing is really great too, as is death threats. These two combined tactics usually scare the close-to-death-from-lack-of-brains-retards into listening. Of course, there are always those should-be-shot-morons that are becoming more of an appearence in NS pubs nowadays. For them you can try bribing, say you will give them a big gun thingy if they press E on the round glowy thing until they get to the place with the big monster thingies.
Now if you're trying to make a rush or push out of somewhere, idiots need step-by-step (literally) instructions. Repeat your instructions numerous times, make sure they get it in their heads that you're boss and they better listen to you. Waypoints every step of the way is a must. Give them directions, ie. Left, right, NO YOUR OTHER RIGHT...you get the picture.
If you are unable to gain control after these tips, I have one last hint to give you. The "quit" console command is a highly useful device for saving years off your life.
pff, i jsut alt f4, go on mirc and talk to a mate of mine ( i know basically every admin for each West Australian server i go on <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->) and boot, problem solved. Ive seen a large amount of CS nubbies relocating t oco_ maps, then mic spamming and text spamming "OMG NS_ SUCKS VOTE A COMBAT MAP"
This is the worst thing i think. Ill usually either insult, get some vets in the server to kik their ****, or just get a mate to kick them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
One time we relocated an entire base outside of metal just to prove we were god and they were stupid <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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If you think tactics have nothing to do with it, you are sorely mistaken. So what if people can twitch, FIND a way to beat it, not whine about it. Tactics are extremely important and is why a lot of aliens lose because they don't work together.
You also make the generalization that twich gamers can't use tactics. Sort of like the "dumb jock" stereotype that is put on football players by the kids who aren't popular in school. Just because people are great at one thing, doesn't mean they are terrible in another. Its the opposite, the more things you are good at, the quicker you learn other things because your confidence level is higher.
And do you expect everyone not to play better than the other players if they are capable to ? Last I checked its more fun to put people in the spawn queue than wait in one.
Before you sell everything, try a repeated distress beacon. The moment they head the wrong direction, beacon them and tell them to try again. Encourage them as if they are two year olds trying to find their way to the potty. If after two or three beacons they still do not follow your orders, recycle the base. Even if you are winning--actually, <i>especially</i> if you are winning, recycle the base. It is the only way they will learn. ^^
On the subject of spawncamping:
Most spawncamps I see (and do) in pubs occur when most of the alien team is alive and elsewhere on the map, and just too stupid to return to the hive and defend it.
Where in my post did I say that? Nowhere. On the [HK] server in particular, the people doing this are very aware of solid, tactical play. I know, because I've seen them do it. They seem to enjoy it just fine when anybody else is in the chair. But when it's me, they throw that out the window, and just walk right in and start shooting.
Now if you're trying to make a rush or push out of somewhere, idiots need step-by-step (literally) instructions. Repeat your instructions numerous times, make sure they get it in their heads that you're boss and they better listen to you. Waypoints every step of the way is a must. Give them directions, ie. Left, right, NO YOUR OTHER RIGHT...you get the picture.
If you are unable to gain control after these tips, I have one last hint to give you. The "quit" console command is a highly useful device for saving years off your life.
This is the worst thing i think. Ill usually either insult, get some vets in the server to kik their ****, or just get a mate to kick them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
One time we relocated an entire base outside of metal just to prove we were god and they were stupid <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->