ok so I just dont get it

puzl

for every player you list who is allegedly banned for being too good, I can list players better than them who aren't banned. If you look at the differences between these players, I think you'll see that they behave differently on the servers.

Of course, maybe you guys are talking about servers I've never played on, so we might be discussing around the point.

tjosan

Well just for record I think it's very uncommon for players to get banned for being too good (on the certain servers I'm assuming puzl is referring to). However, I think it's fair to say that the tolerance level is lower when it comes to players that happen to walk through entire teams by themselves.

DRagon

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Hes probally refering to the HLgoldsrc i/o problem with the dreaded Oct 25th update. Valve knows about it and is working on it. Until then, try recording a demo when you play HL1 games. It mostly fixes the problem for me.
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wow this actually works, thanks dude.

F4tManMGS2

one of the problems a server I play at on 3.1 has recently been these good players...

they're are a few good players who really aren't questioned assomuch, and have been playing there for a while.

the problem therein lies that these players who have not been banned all have one common attirubte: they are nice. I'm not saying that the good people that get banned are complete jerks; that's actually not the case. The problem is that the good people who are banned rarely, if ever, say anything and other than being pwnt, have no real attraction for people to play with. With the way most servers are centered around community, people who pwn in servers get shunned away beacuse they have voice_enable 0 and say_hudtext 0; they don't play like players, but anoynymous names ruining the game for noobs (literally noobs, not noob admins; the noobs cause the problems because they havent seen good players who don't talk (most hackers dont talk in CS) and screm HACKER HACKER HACKER HACKEr whenever they can and the admins naturally get fed up with it; the good of the many > the good of the few)

coris

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for every player you list who is allegedly banned for being too good, I can list players better than them who aren't banned. If you look at the differences between these players, I think you'll see that they behave differently on the servers.

Of course, maybe you guys are talking about servers I've never played on, so we might be discussing around the point.
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The tolerance for skilled players is a lot lower in America than in Europe. I've been banned from several american servers (not because i misbehaved, i hardly said a word throughout the games.) but there are very few european servers where I'm banned.

TheGuy

The more crappy unbalancing plugins, the easier it is to get banned.

DuoGodOfDeath

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for every player you list who is allegedly banned for being too good, I can list players better than them who aren't banned. If you look at the differences between these players, I think you'll see that they behave differently on the servers.

Of course, maybe you guys are talking about servers I've never played on, so we might be discussing around the point.
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I have to here Mak say "I CAN'T PLAY NS BECAUSE I AM BANNED FROM EVER SERVER PRACTICALLY" every day. And hes one of the few good American players out there. Even though my Lineage II Marine game is better than his, the only reason I'm not banned from a billion servers is because I play the game for 20 minutes, destroy the server then leave.

Hassaan

teach me to be kool liek u duogodofscrtips

i wil pay u $ 4 lesins

Underwhelmed

Puzl, just about the only major servers in NA that don't ban players for being too good are OldF, TG, and G4B2S (Debatable, I know a player who's banned for "hacks" there). Not every server bans people on sight for bunnyhopping, but there are many with admins who will attempt to remove you from the game for making too much of an impact.

Syringed

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Puzl, just about the only major servers in NA that don't ban players for being too good are OldF, TG, and G4B2S (Debatable, I know a player who's banned for "hacks" there). Not every server bans people on sight for bunnyhopping, but there are many with admins who will attempt to remove you from the game for making too much of an impact.
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Exactly, what's sad is many admins view someone that comes onto a server that's really good and just begins to destroy competition like nobody's business as someone that's got an agenda with the server. They treat that person as if they selected that server to pillage and destroy with their M@D SK!llZ. Most skilled players turn off the chat and voice so they don't have to hear the whines and insults that are coming. I've seen a few admins take advantage of this by pulling routines like this, "Hey! The guy with the 7:1 ratio, are you cheating? Need to respond in 10 seconds or kick! ..... OK BANNED BYEBYE!"

Many admins that kick people for merely being better than them are often mentally ill. They will look for any reason possible they can remove or kick someone. Some of the more popular reasons is by kissing up, taking things said far too litterally, spin doctoring the other person's words or just being an annoyance until the other person can't take it. Some of the things I've had done to me include one particular admin would ask me if I'm cheating because I pistolwhipped his onos, when I joking respond back, "Yep! I sure am sir!" I'm looking at the server select screen. When I attempt to take the high road and be nice, I may have my words twisted from their original intent and content to becoming insultive in that person's mind. Other reasons include one admin repeadedly trying to PM chat with me during a match in a way too friendly manner that it boardered on uncomfortable until I decided to find somewhere else to play, upon trying to go back to that server, I was banned.

I know a lot of people claim people like me have egos but if you had to tolerate people going, "Zomg, hax! u cheata, u gonna git a ban!!", exclaiming every weapon, defensive, or escape manuver you used is the cheapest thing in the whole world. You're eventually going to rip into one of them.

ZiGGY

this thread is so gonna get locked, so quickly, in conclusion: play ns 3.2 more, get other people play it, less 3.1 tbh, cya around, go! :O

Exploder

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Puzl, just about the only major servers in NA that don't ban players for being too good are OldF, TG, and G4B2S (Debatable, I know a player who's banned for "hacks" there). Not every server bans people on sight for bunnyhopping, but there are many with admins who will attempt to remove you from the game for making too much of an impact.
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You should add the YO servers to that list. I've played there since 2.0 and I have never seen an admin ban a skilled player.

Underwhelmed

Unless the YO servers have experienced a sudden geographical relocation, I do not believe they qualify. I didn't mention any Euro or Aussie servers because I don't play on them often enough to get a feel for each server.

puzl

Right, so the point remains: there are servers to play 3.2 on. Servers you won't get banned from for being 'too good'.

That is all I've been trying to say really. I'd possibly add that anyone who is banned from some of those servers are probably banned for behaviour and not skill.

DRagon

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You should add the YO servers to that list. I've played there since 2.0 and I have never seen an admin ban a skilled player.
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that's a joke sir, most of nL players got banned from this srv for some stupid reasons, same is with other premier league teams and their players.


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Then why aren't sherpa and fana banned? Are they the guys on your team who have no skill? Is that what you are saying?

Anyway, I'm done with warning you about making your complaints about server communities here. If you can't be constructive then don't post. If you do this again, I will temp suspend your account.
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Exploder

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that's a joke sir, most of nL players got banned from this srv for some stupid reasons, same is with other premier league teams and their players.
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Well that's a shame, if that's true. I'm still sticking to YO because I haven't seen something like that occur yet.

Obraxis

Hello everyone.

I don't wish to fan the flame, but if you have a problem with us banning, you should take a look at our server rules and our bans.

Bans page:

<a href="http://www.yoclan.com/bans/ban_list.php" target="_blank">http://www.yoclan.com/bans/ban_list.php</a>

Please notice how the pages are full of very good reasons to ban, such as Racism, Cheating, Map Exploiting & Team Killing. The bans page only shows active bans.

Many thanks.

DoloresHaze

i agree with the guys above. YO is one of the best NS servers out there. People are nice and friendly, and any act of incorrect behavior is eliminated asap. Keep the good job admins.

ZiGGY

seeing as this thread is still not yet locked Ill put in the prelude to one of my favourite lines in arfenhouse2

Billy - "SYLINZ!!!!!!! I M H33R 4 REVEENJ!111!1"

Jo - "Can't you just leave us alone? Don't you have anything better to do?"

Billy - "NO!!!1"

Misty - "Jo's here!"

Jo- "Shut up!"

Teh Edn!!11!!1

DumbMarine

Some of the bans on there look questionable at first glance, Obraxis, (I don't even know what muppet is =P)

ZiGGY, quit trying to lock your own post >.<


I can't play NS 3.2 very often because personally, I can't join the servers. Its not because I'm banned for skill, teamstacking, cheating, or anything like that, its because I always meet the "Kicked due to slot reservation" whenever I try to join a server >.<. Unless I wanted to play on a bot or empty server, I'm out of luck.

Lump

I love playing pub but I'm sick to death of the only servers that people are willing to populate (because they're the only ones who have been active for more than a year... thanks to the communities?!) are the servers full of such arrogant ******* admins.

I play ns to have a laugh, NOT WITH RAGE, EXPLOITS, CHEATING OR OWNING UP before an american gets the wrong impression...

So when I join a server and the admin tells me I'm not allowed to take the piss out of someone in my clan and under MY dictatorship <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tounge.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":p" border="0" alt="tounge.gif" /> it pisses me off, then as soon as you point out they are being unresonable they ban you..


I'm not aiming at any server specifically.. HAHAHA! <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin-fix.gif" />:D:D:D!!!! 111!1001!1kjgkjh1!

But yeh. It pisses me off :[ Why can't these people grow up, stop generalising other players and being e-power hungry plebs. If you're going to admin a server, help the game and stop being a nob. Rules aren't set in ###### stone to stop people dealing with reality... they are a guide to use with judgement and a bit of common *very patronising and arrogant swear word* sense.



I dunno where that came from, was only planning on saying that 3.2 is the dogs bollocks so please play it more and just don't even bother thinking about plug-ins, play the game itself with a bit of thought instead a version of eastenders in game format. D:

Zek

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Exactly, what's sad is many admins view someone that comes onto a server that's really good and just begins to destroy competition like nobody's business as someone that's got an agenda with the server. They treat that person as if they selected that server to pillage and destroy with their M@D SK!llZ. Most skilled players turn off the chat and voice so they don't have to hear the whines and insults that are coming. I've seen a few admins take advantage of this by pulling routines like this, "Hey! The guy with the 7:1 ratio, are you cheating? Need to respond in 10 seconds or kick! ..... OK BANNED BYEBYE!"<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If I were an admin I would kick someone who did this without hesitation, regardless of how good they were. You want to join a team game with absolutely no intention of ever communicating with another player? Not on my (theoretical) server.

"I'm just too good" is the #1 assumption most skilled players make when they're banned, but I would speculate that more often it's because of attitude problems and crap like what you mentioned.

Lump

I agree with Zek but...

Dunno why I clicked and reply..

Urm, I know I went through a period where so many public servers would just outright refuse to consider something different in terms of what to do at a giving situation. Often their aim was an idea that didn't work.. would never work and plain and simply SHOULDN'T work.

Personally, I hate this situation, because you try to encourage the said "admin" to show they aren't a power hungry nonce and might let you use a bit of initiative but they whine and so on..

Then! anyone been on a server where ishloads of people just constantly talk ish? I like to be able to hear the game and when i've just got no sound because ******* ingame mutes at a humans breathe... this also gets annoying.

I'm sure you can understand why people turn off ingame.. we aren't rambos who refuse to build an rt and tk every cc when we don't get a sg.


(eurgh acronyms)

Admirable

Just for you Tom:

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alias VCV "VCV100"
alias VCV100 "voice_scale 1;alias VCV VCV75;speak one.hundred"
alias VCV75 "voice_scale 0.75;alias VCV VCV50;speak seventy.five"
alias VCV50 "voice_scale 0.5;alias VCV VCV25;speak fifty"
alias VCV25 "voice_scale 0.25;alias VCV VCV0;speak twenty.five"
alias VCV0 "voice_scale 0;alias VCV VCV100;speak zero"<!--c2--></div><!--ec2-->

TOmekki

names omitted to protect certain individuals

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i could probably go on but you get the point. if anyone cares to know the name of this much-praised euro server that has admins like that, drop a pm. <img src="style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile-fix.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile-fix.gif" />

ps: in case anyone still gives an ish about opinions, heres one: admining a server is a responsiblity, not a right. you're responsible to have some common sense. that common sense is, in its simplest form, to simply not use your reserved admin slot and go on an egotrip if you happen to have a bad day. regular players quit if theyre ###### off at the game, but an admin... well, you can finish the sentence yourselves.

tankefugl

No, TOmekki -- <b>playing</b> on a server is a privilege, not a right. Do not assume you have any <b>absolute rights</b> on <b>any </b>server. Admining comes directly from the ownership of a server, which again comes from paying for and maintaining it. Disputing bans have no place here; take it to the specific server forums.

Anyway; this is becoming way too server-specific and way off the original topic subject, so I'm going to lock this. Have a good night.