<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 15 2005, 06:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 15 2005, 06:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jul 14 2005, 02:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jul 14 2005, 02:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1. The stress involved in breaking the law has been shown in a medical study (I read about it in Reader's Digest) to decrease the life span of the law breaker. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What about sociopaths and people who disagree with the law and truly believe that they won't get in trouble for it? I don't imagine that any stress would be involved, if you've been told that it's okay to go a bit above the speed limit on a highway.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2. Actually, the minimum speed on the interstate highways in Michigan are 75/55MPH, 55MPH being the minimum. So it's not 1-3MPH, it's actually 15MPH. Does that mean I go that slow? Only when I feel I have to: otherwise I go a safe speed near the speed limit. Usually, in order to not cause traffic jams, I go whatever speed the rest of the highway drivers are going, which is often <b>over</b> the speed limit. I used the highway speeds to give a wider range of speeds: realistically, the highway is the (only) place I am willing to go faster than the speed limit.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I mean unofficially, not legally. It tends to bother some other drivers if you go more than 3 MPH under the limit.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't know what you mean by "slowing down/speeding up a lot", though.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Er, that was my mistake. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I didn't word it properly. What I meant was, if you go more than 5 MPH below the speed limit or more than 10 MPH above the limit, when it's not absolutely necessary.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->To me that sounds like more than disliking a bit ... sounds like borderline road rage. Don't get **** off at someone driving 5mph under, it's just ... not ... worth it Q.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Stop <i>telling</i> people how they feel when they've just told you that that is not how they feel.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I drove professionally for 31 years, well over 2,000,000 miles - so it does little good to tell me "theyre blocking the road for **** sake", because it's part of life.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Just because it's not a big deal <i>to you</i> doesn't mean that it isn't a big deal for others. Everyone deals with stress in their own way. Some prefer to let it out, others prefer to bottle it up, others prefer to dissipate it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> To reiterate what I already stated, You canNOT control other people's driving - you CAN control how you react to it. That being said, I see a big difference between disliking another driver's action, and getting p-o'd about it. I told no one how they felt - I simply pointed to an earlier quote which proved my point. If you'll read the entire thread you'll notice the discrepency.[/off topic]
Thanks for bringing the IVT into this Jasp. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> We now have 4 choices .... ... .. .
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thanks for bringing the IVT into this Jasp. We now have 4 choices .... ... .. . <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cyndane+Jul 14 2005, 06:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cyndane @ Jul 14 2005, 06:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> They only aren't listed because he didn't know about them.
Which is why I brought it up.
@Metalcat: They are slightly more expensive then your standard automatic, they are also a tad bit heavier (around 10 to 25lbs) since they are quite a bit more efficient, well that more then makes up for it. It also goes to show they aren't that expensive if saturn is putting them in their Vues. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ok sounds like its alot more expensive than manual then, and when you add the factor that cars in Denmark costs 290% of what they cost in other countries i think we will stick to manual for a while :/
<!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 13 2005, 09:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 13 2005, 09:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG will Talesin have a field day with this one! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
In my day all drivers education classes taught students on manuals. Manuals were much more common back then, and one could always drive an automatic if they knew how to drive a standard, but not the other way around.
In my millions of miles of professional driving I man-handled a 10 to 12 speed manual mostly. Therefore my personal vehicles have always had an automatic in them.
Performance would lean towards the manual as it's of lighter weight and would suffer from less slippage.
In the U.S., fewer than 10 percent of cars are purchased with manual transmissions. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Is it worth dropping the transmission within 10 minutes of driving off the lot with it if youre inexperienced?
<!--QuoteBegin-CommunistWithAGun+Jul 15 2005, 12:48 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Jul 15 2005, 12:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Depot+Jul 13 2005, 09:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Depot @ Jul 13 2005, 09:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG will Talesin have a field day with this one! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
In my day all drivers education classes taught students on manuals. Manuals were much more common back then, and one could always drive an automatic if they knew how to drive a standard, but not the other way around.
In my millions of miles of professional driving I man-handled a 10 to 12 speed manual mostly. Therefore my personal vehicles have always had an automatic in them.
Performance would lean towards the manual as it's of lighter weight and would suffer from less slippage.
In the U.S., fewer than 10 percent of cars are purchased with manual transmissions. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Is it worth dropping the transmission within 10 minutes of driving off the lot with it if youre inexperienced? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've seen it happen .... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Quaunaut+Jul 13 2005, 10:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Quaunaut @ Jul 13 2005, 10:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jul 13 2005, 07:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jul 13 2005, 07:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, you can get both in either country. Manual transmissions are more popular in Europe and auto is more common in America.
I would say I'd keep my automatic - it's much less of a hassle to drive. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Truth, though I'd go Manual just for the added control. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ditto.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 15 2005, 06:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 15 2005, 06:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What about sociopaths and people who disagree with the law and truly believe that they won't get in trouble for it? I don't imagine that any stress would be involved, if you've been told that it's okay to go a bit above the speed limit on a highway. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> There always are exceptions! An exception doesn't nullify the general rule. All I know is what I read: speeding causes stress that cuts down on the life expectancy of the law breaker.
Looking at all the choices, CVT sounds like absolute secks. Oh, Cyn, the Murano is a Crossover, not an SUV. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-MedHead+Jul 15 2005, 02:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MedHead @ Jul 15 2005, 02:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 15 2005, 06:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 15 2005, 06:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What about sociopaths and people who disagree with the law and truly believe that they won't get in trouble for it? I don't imagine that any stress would be involved, if you've been told that it's okay to go a bit above the speed limit on a highway. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> There always are exceptions! An exception doesn't nullify the general rule. All I know is what I read: speeding causes stress that cuts down on the life expectancy of the law breaker. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Cool, I'm glad you know that. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I didn't mean that to sound condescending, but so many people think that there aren't exceptions. I also never meant ot imply that exceptions nullify the general rule.
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What about sociopaths and people who disagree with the law and truly believe that they won't get in trouble for it? I don't imagine that any stress would be involved, if you've been told that it's okay to go a bit above the speed limit on a highway.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->2. Actually, the minimum speed on the interstate highways in Michigan are 75/55MPH, 55MPH being the minimum. So it's not 1-3MPH, it's actually 15MPH. Does that mean I go that slow? Only when I feel I have to: otherwise I go a safe speed near the speed limit. Usually, in order to not cause traffic jams, I go whatever speed the rest of the highway drivers are going, which is often <b>over</b> the speed limit. I used the highway speeds to give a wider range of speeds: realistically, the highway is the (only) place I am willing to go faster than the speed limit.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I mean unofficially, not legally. It tends to bother some other drivers if you go more than 3 MPH under the limit.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't know what you mean by "slowing down/speeding up a lot", though.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Er, that was my mistake. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I didn't word it properly. What I meant was, if you go more than 5 MPH below the speed limit or more than 10 MPH above the limit, when it's not absolutely necessary.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->To me that sounds like more than disliking a bit ... sounds like borderline road rage. Don't get **** off at someone driving 5mph under, it's just ... not ... worth it Q.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Stop <i>telling</i> people how they feel when they've just told you that that is not how they feel.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I drove professionally for 31 years, well over 2,000,000 miles - so it does little good to tell me "theyre blocking the road for **** sake", because it's part of life.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Just because it's not a big deal <i>to you</i> doesn't mean that it isn't a big deal for others. Everyone deals with stress in their own way. Some prefer to let it out, others prefer to bottle it up, others prefer to dissipate it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To reiterate what I already stated, You canNOT control other people's driving - you CAN control how you react to it. That being said, I see a big difference between disliking another driver's action, and getting p-o'd about it. I told no one how they felt - I simply pointed to an earlier quote which proved my point. If you'll read the entire thread you'll notice the discrepency.[/off topic]
Thanks for bringing the IVT into this Jasp. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> We now have 4 choices .... ... .. .
He he my pleasure.
A little bit more info if anyone is interested.
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<a href='http://transrevolution.com/our-ivt.htm' target='_blank'>http://transrevolution.com/our-ivt.htm</a>
Which is why I brought it up.
@Metalcat: They are slightly more expensive then your standard automatic, they are also a tad bit heavier (around 10 to 25lbs) since they are quite a bit more efficient, well that more then makes up for it. It also goes to show they aren't that expensive if saturn is putting them in their Vues. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ok sounds like its alot more expensive than manual then, and when you add the factor that cars in Denmark costs 290% of what they cost in other countries i think we will stick to manual for a while :/
In my day all drivers education classes taught students on manuals. Manuals were much more common back then, and one could always drive an automatic if they knew how to drive a standard, but not the other way around.
In my millions of miles of professional driving I man-handled a 10 to 12 speed manual mostly. Therefore my personal vehicles have always had an automatic in them.
Performance would lean towards the manual as it's of lighter weight and would suffer from less slippage.
In the U.S., fewer than 10 percent of cars are purchased with manual transmissions. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is it worth dropping the transmission within 10 minutes of driving off the lot with it if youre inexperienced?
In my day all drivers education classes taught students on manuals. Manuals were much more common back then, and one could always drive an automatic if they knew how to drive a standard, but not the other way around.
In my millions of miles of professional driving I man-handled a 10 to 12 speed manual mostly. Therefore my personal vehicles have always had an automatic in them.
Performance would lean towards the manual as it's of lighter weight and would suffer from less slippage.
In the U.S., fewer than 10 percent of cars are purchased with manual transmissions. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Is it worth dropping the transmission within 10 minutes of driving off the lot with it if youre inexperienced? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I've seen it happen .... <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I would say I'd keep my automatic - it's much less of a hassle to drive. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Truth, though I'd go Manual just for the added control. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ditto.
There always are exceptions! An exception doesn't nullify the general rule. All I know is what I read: speeding causes stress that cuts down on the life expectancy of the law breaker.
There always are exceptions! An exception doesn't nullify the general rule. All I know is what I read: speeding causes stress that cuts down on the life expectancy of the law breaker. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Cool, I'm glad you know that. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> I didn't mean that to sound condescending, but so many people think that there aren't exceptions. I also never meant ot imply that exceptions nullify the general rule.