<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 7 2005, 07:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 7 2005, 07:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Deus Ex Machina+Jul 7 2005, 07:57 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Deus Ex Machina @ Jul 7 2005, 07:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sure that's kinda messed up to just throw a cat in an oven because you're **** off, but wth? You guys are making me think you all work for PETA. **** happens, can't do anything about it now. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Er... It's a crime to throw a cat in an oven. If your sibling was murdered, would you just say "Oh well, s*** happens. Don't bother arresting anyone"? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, I wouldn't just say **** happens, but if I owned a cat, I wouldn't consider it a sibling.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am quite anti-PETA, and even I think that this is disgusting. An animal was killed wrongfully, the only reason was that he was annoyed with it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't say it wasn't disgusting, I think he was wrong for doing it, but telling Karma to call the cops on him is just rediculous.
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<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jul 8 2005, 12:44 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jul 8 2005, 12:44 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Could you please stop comparing this to killing a person. It's ridicilous. I hit a deer on the highway once, and you know what? I didn't even stop. Horrors! Hit and run! The guilt has been eating me away inside, I think i'll go turn myself in now. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The difference being that when you hit the deer it was an accident. Besides, if I were to judge, I'd say that burning would be a much worse death than being hit by a car, especially as there's a chance the creature could be killed very quickly and not have to suffer as much.
However, I agree with you that it's much to late to kick up a fuss, plus the fact that it's not so great to have your friend hate you for sending their father to jail.
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Damn, almost as bad as the video I saw:
These kids take a cat and shove it in a hampster cage and start to pour gasoline on it. You can guess what happens next; the horrible gargles the cat make are out of this world. It's just terrible.
<!--QuoteBegin-Liku+Jul 7 2005, 09:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Jul 7 2005, 09:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Damn, almost as bad as the video I saw:
These kids take a cat and shove it in a hampster cage and start to pour gasoline on it. You can guess what happens next; the horrible gargles the cat make are out of this world. It's just terrible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> TMI ... tmi. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jul 7 2005, 08:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jul 7 2005, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Could you please stop comparing this to killing a person. It's ridicilous. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Right, I'll remember that next time I come to the absolutely ridiculous conclusion that somehow, animals can feel pain.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, I wouldn't just say **** happens, but if I owned a cat, I wouldn't consider it a sibling.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I never said that you should consider your cat a sibling. It was an example.
Yes, if I had to choose between a human's life and a cat's life, I would choose the human. But in this case, it was not that choice. It was a stupid man who was irritated by a cat and decided to fix his problem by killing the cat, when there are clearly better alternatives.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but telling Karma to call the cops on him is just rediculous.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why? The man committed a crime, and last time I checked you kind of have an obligation to notify the police if you know that a crime was committed.
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Jul 7 2005, 10:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Jul 7 2005, 10:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jul 7 2005, 08:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jul 7 2005, 08:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Could you please stop comparing this to killing a person. It's ridicilous. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Right, I'll remember that next time I come to the absolutely ridiculous conclusion that somehow, animals can feel pain.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, I wouldn't just say **** happens, but if I owned a cat, I wouldn't consider it a sibling.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I never said that you should consider your cat a sibling. It was an example.
Yes, if I had to choose between a human's life and a cat's life, I would choose the human. But in this case, it was not that choice. It was a stupid man who was irritated by a cat and decided to fix his problem by killing the cat, when there are clearly better alternatives.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but telling Karma to call the cops on him is just rediculous.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Why? The man committed a crime, and last time I checked you kind of have an obligation to notify the police if you know that a crime was committed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Indeed you to. Failure to do so <i>could</i> find you classified as an accessory.
I'm "out there" because I don't like the fact that a cat was killed for a completely stupid reason, nobody even did anything about it, and you don't think it's a big deal?
<!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jul 8 2005, 12:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jul 8 2005, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dunno, I wasn't trying to discuss anything, it's a weird story. I mean, christ, I told the same story to my friends and they didn't get all bugged out like you guys.
Just cause a guy's crazy, don't mean he's not good people. Hell, im borderline retarded. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> BK mate
its the nsforums.. really what did you expect. a bunch of emo children who cant get in a debate if your views contrive theyres, they turn it into petty bs, like ' omg its racism' if you have an opinion on culture. why should this be different?
<!--QuoteBegin-Moquiao+Jul 7 2005, 11:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moquiao @ Jul 7 2005, 11:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BadKarma+Jul 8 2005, 12:00 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BadKarma @ Jul 8 2005, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dunno, I wasn't trying to discuss anything, it's a weird story. I mean, christ, I told the same story to my friends and they didn't get all bugged out like you guys.
Just cause a guy's crazy, don't mean he's not good people. Hell, im borderline retarded. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> BK mate
its the nsforums.. really what did you expect. a bunch of emo children who cant get in a debate if your views contrive theyres, they turn it into petty bs, like ' omg its racism' if you have an opinion on culture. why should this be different?
its a **** cat. who gives a ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I dislike cats, as one mauled me when I was very little, but it's <b>STILL</b> against the law to treat them like this. My guess is more care about it than don't.
Liku, I really wish I had not read that... <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
The cat is a completely useless animal, there is no reason for it to exist other than human emotional connection. That said, some people will feel more of an impact on their conscience about the cat than others, especially if they own one. You cannot say "omg it is just a cat" without offending the other viewpoint. Hell, if I killed your dog, your gonna get so friggin' ****, I'm gonna be half-dead. However, if I killed your neighbor's dog, you would be concerned, but wouldn't do a whole lot. What you guys have to realize is that people are not robots, the "omg it is just a cat" explanation isn't gonna cut it for those who enjoy having cats...you people need to think about these things through rather than posts inane replies purely based on the idea that "I Am Right"
<!--QuoteBegin-Crotalus+Jul 8 2005, 06:14 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Crotalus @ Jul 8 2005, 06:14 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The cat is a completely useless animal, there is no reason for it to exist other than human emotional connection. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, actually, the cat was originally bred to hunt mice and other small critters on farms. Now they serve primarily as a companion animal, but many people still use them to hunt rodents and other vermin. (Last summer, there was a mouse infestation in this house. I live in a duplex. The people downstairs has mice all over. We saw a grand total of two up here, and that was only when the cats killed them and brought them to us.)
Since when does a cat need a reason to exist? The cat might argue that humans were completely useless if it had the mental capacity to do so - in fact, worse than useless: In only a few centuries, we have done more harm to life on this planet than any other animal has managed in the three hundred million years (or so) life has existed on earth.
If we are to discuss who has a reason to exist, who is "useful," then I would argue that the cat wins: The cat has not detonated nuclear weapons. The cat does not cause greenhouse effect. The cat does not dump toxic waste in the oceans. The cat does not burn forests. The cat does not kill whole species.
However, that whole point is completely moot, since the concept of being "allowed" to exist is just plain wrong. You don't need permission to exist, therefore you do not need reason to exist.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jul 8 2005, 09:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jul 8 2005, 09:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If we are to discuss who has a reason to exist, who is "useful," then I would argue that the cat wins: The cat has not detonated nuclear weapons. The cat does not cause greenhouse effect. The cat does not dump toxic waste in the oceans. The cat does not burn forests. The cat does not kill whole species. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's what they WANT you to think. <_< >_>
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jul 8 2005, 10:05 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jul 8 2005, 10:05 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Since when does a cat need a reason to exist? The cat might argue that humans were completely useless if it had the mental capacity to do so - in fact, worse than useless: In only a few centuries, we have done more harm to life on this planet than any other animal has managed in the three hundred million years (or so) life has existed on earth.
If we are to discuss who has a reason to exist, who is "useful," then I would argue that the cat wins: The cat has not detonated nuclear weapons. The cat does not cause greenhouse effect. The cat does not dump toxic waste in the oceans. The cat does not burn forests. The cat does not kill whole species.
However, that whole point is completely moot, since the concept of being "allowed" to exist is just plain wrong. You don't need permission to exist, therefore you do not need reason to exist. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> its just cuz they lack opposable thumbs.. and a goddam brain..
I just get so amazed when people say they wanna kill the folks who killed (insert animal here).
In any case, if this cat was being really annoying over a couple years and it just happened to get in this guys way while he was already making a fire... well, it's not that bad. Definitely not pleasant, but it's not truly sick until he purposely makes fires to burn cats in. This seems like it was anger built up over a long period of time, and hey there was a fire burning right there... Can't say I'd be much better, but I'd probably just throw it out of the room as opposed to into a fire. Seriously, that house must've smelled awful for a while.
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Er... It's a crime to throw a cat in an oven. If your sibling was murdered, would you just say "Oh well, s*** happens. Don't bother arresting anyone"? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, I wouldn't just say **** happens, but if I owned a cat, I wouldn't consider it a sibling.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am quite anti-PETA, and even I think that this is disgusting. An animal was killed wrongfully, the only reason was that he was annoyed with it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I didn't say it wasn't disgusting, I think he was wrong for doing it, but telling Karma to call the cops on him is just rediculous.
The difference being that when you hit the deer it was an accident. Besides, if I were to judge, I'd say that burning would be a much worse death than being hit by a car, especially as there's a chance the creature could be killed very quickly and not have to suffer as much.
However, I agree with you that it's much to late to kick up a fuss, plus the fact that it's not so great to have your friend hate you for sending their father to jail.
These kids take a cat and shove it in a hampster cage and start to pour gasoline on it. You can guess what happens next; the horrible gargles the cat make are out of this world. It's just terrible.
These kids take a cat and shove it in a hampster cage and start to pour gasoline on it. You can guess what happens next; the horrible gargles the cat make are out of this world. It's just terrible. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
TMI ... tmi. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Right, I'll remember that next time I come to the absolutely ridiculous conclusion that somehow, animals can feel pain.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, I wouldn't just say **** happens, but if I owned a cat, I wouldn't consider it a sibling.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never said that you should consider your cat a sibling. It was an example.
Yes, if I had to choose between a human's life and a cat's life, I would choose the human. But in this case, it was not that choice. It was a stupid man who was irritated by a cat and decided to fix his problem by killing the cat, when there are clearly better alternatives.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but telling Karma to call the cops on him is just rediculous.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why? The man committed a crime, and last time I checked you kind of have an obligation to notify the police if you know that a crime was committed.
Right, I'll remember that next time I come to the absolutely ridiculous conclusion that somehow, animals can feel pain.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No, I wouldn't just say **** happens, but if I owned a cat, I wouldn't consider it a sibling.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never said that you should consider your cat a sibling. It was an example.
Yes, if I had to choose between a human's life and a cat's life, I would choose the human. But in this case, it was not that choice. It was a stupid man who was irritated by a cat and decided to fix his problem by killing the cat, when there are clearly better alternatives.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->but telling Karma to call the cops on him is just rediculous.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why? The man committed a crime, and last time I checked you kind of have an obligation to notify the police if you know that a crime was committed.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Indeed you to. Failure to do so <i>could</i> find you classified as an accessory.
I'm done here, too.
Just cause a guy's crazy, don't mean he's not good people. Hell, im borderline retarded. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
BK mate
its the nsforums.. really what did you expect. a bunch of emo children who cant get in a debate if your views contrive theyres, they turn it into petty bs, like ' omg its racism' if you have an opinion on culture. why should this be different?
its a **** cat. who gives a ****.
Just cause a guy's crazy, don't mean he's not good people. Hell, im borderline retarded. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
BK mate
its the nsforums.. really what did you expect. a bunch of emo children who cant get in a debate if your views contrive theyres, they turn it into petty bs, like ' omg its racism' if you have an opinion on culture. why should this be different?
its a **** cat. who gives a ****. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I dislike cats, as one mauled me when I was very little, but it's <b>STILL</b> against the law to treat them like this. My guess is more care about it than don't.
What you guys have to realize is that people are not robots, the "omg it is just a cat" explanation isn't gonna cut it for those who enjoy having cats...you people need to think about these things through rather than posts inane replies purely based on the idea that "I Am Right"
No, actually, the cat was originally bred to hunt mice and other small critters on farms. Now they serve primarily as a companion animal, but many people still use them to hunt rodents and other vermin. (Last summer, there was a mouse infestation in this house. I live in a duplex. The people downstairs has mice all over. We saw a grand total of two up here, and that was only when the cats killed them and brought them to us.)
If we are to discuss who has a reason to exist, who is "useful," then I would argue that the cat wins: The cat has not detonated nuclear weapons. The cat does not cause greenhouse effect. The cat does not dump toxic waste in the oceans. The cat does not burn forests. The cat does not kill whole species.
However, that whole point is completely moot, since the concept of being "allowed" to exist is just plain wrong. You don't need permission to exist, therefore you do not need reason to exist.
No seriously, that's just wrong
That's what they WANT you to think. <_< >_>
If we are to discuss who has a reason to exist, who is "useful," then I would argue that the cat wins: The cat has not detonated nuclear weapons. The cat does not cause greenhouse effect. The cat does not dump toxic waste in the oceans. The cat does not burn forests. The cat does not kill whole species.
However, that whole point is completely moot, since the concept of being "allowed" to exist is just plain wrong. You don't need permission to exist, therefore you do not need reason to exist. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
its just cuz they lack opposable thumbs.. and a goddam brain..
In any case, if this cat was being really annoying over a couple years and it just happened to get in this guys way while he was already making a fire... well, it's not that bad. Definitely not pleasant, but it's not truly sick until he purposely makes fires to burn cats in. This seems like it was anger built up over a long period of time, and hey there was a fire burning right there... Can't say I'd be much better, but I'd probably just throw it out of the room as opposed to into a fire. Seriously, that house must've smelled awful for a while.