Okay, here goes. Just a little snippet from the channel:
<Gwahir> petco, you said you might end the night half an hour early <Gwahir> does that mean you have all the pms? * ^Fatal^v^_^v^Error^ has quit IRC (Quit: HydraIRC -> <a href='http://www.hydrairc.com' target='_blank'>http://www.hydrairc.com</a> <- The future of IRC) <Gwahir> theslan is using the form pm system, right now <Theslan> yes, I am. <TheMuffinMan> WOLF! <TheMuffinMan> <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <Theslan> I am PMing two people again, in case I die. <Theslan> same deal, they will reveal the next person that I trust, in case I die. <Gwahir> well, since you know the guardian, isn't he protecting you? <Theslan> He is. <Gwahir> then you won't die... <Theslan> well, you never know if the guardian is fake. <Gwahir> true <Theslan> I'm putting as many redundant systems as possible. <Gwahir> so we can fly you like the shuttle? <Theslan> that way, if one thing happens, then things will still go on. * TheMuffinMan is now known as TheMuffinMan|nothere <Gwahir> well I guess you should really hope the guardian is real... <Gwahir> and not just for yourself, but the rest of us too <Theslan> I hope so. * brute_force has joined #ns-twg <Gwahir> petco, you there? <Theslan> I really hope so. <Theslan> if this is all a charade, I'm going to crawl up into a ball and cry. <Gwahir> heh <Gwahir> yeah, you've made yourself quite a target * lolfighter has quit IRC (Quit: Capacitors are fun on so many levels.) <Gwahir> you might as well have put a big bullseye on your chest <Gwahir> last game I dug up the psychic and the wolves killed me as a result <Gwahir> you there? <Gwahir> Theslan, are you there? <Theslan> yes, I am here. <Theslan> I'm sending out PMs again. <Gwahir> making sure, you weren't responding <Gwahir> oh ookay <Theslan> well, of course I'm a target. <Theslan> I've been a target since day 1, because I was in contact with the guardian. <Gwahir> yeah <Gwahir> I'm surprised you didn't get killed earlier... though if you lucked out the guardian might have defended <Theslan> Alright, I believe there's enough people here. <Theslan> In the unlikely case that I'm dead (and the guardian is a fake and not protecting me)... <Theslan> I've PM both CMEast and TheMuffinman of whom to trust next round. <Gwahir> same deal as last time eh? <Theslan> Obviously, if the names don't match, then one of them is a wolf. <Petco> alright <Petco> want to end the game a half hour early ? <Theslan> Give me a few minutes! <Gwahir> putting up the end of the night petco? <Theslan> I still need a few more PMs <Gwahir> so you have the pms then? <Petco> alright when you're ready, tell me, so I can end the night early if you want <Petco> yeah <Gwahir> how's your internet connection working these days? <Petco> I replaced my ethernet card, internet has been a lot better <Gwahir> good <Gwahir> come on theslan, hurry up, I want to see who died so I can get back to work. <Theslan> I'm sry <Theslan> but this is going to take another 10 minutes. <Theslan> I just got some very interesting info. <Theslan> I'll announce it here shortly, after sending another round of PMs. <Theslan> alright, I think I've done all the PMs. <Petco> alright <Theslan> wait <Petco> ok nvm <Theslan> One announcement. <Theslan> before I die, (and just in case), I am in contact with the psychic. <Theslan> The psychic has reported to me, that the wizard is indeed dead. There was a connection involved today, and not day 1. <Theslan> Of course, this could be playing a game... but... it requires both im lost making a mistake, the guardian being who it is, and the psychic confirming it. <Petco> alright ready for the day? <Theslan> Unfortunately, I don't know the psychic's identity yet, so... take whatever info you think out of that. <Theslan> yeah. <Petco> alright it's posted now <Theslan> woop, I knew it. <Nurot> May he rest in peace <Planetkiller> ah... I thought the psychic didn't know if the wizard died... <Gwahir> does this mean that you didn't really know the guardian... oh wait I can't talk to you <Petco> the psychic does, to sort of give him a buff <Petco> for the wizard <Theslan> I would like to offer a counter to Gwahir, but I'm dead. <Planetkiller> k <Theslan> and great, both CMEast and Muffinman are asleep now.
<!--QuoteBegin-Gwahir+Jul 10 2005, 07:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gwahir @ Jul 10 2005, 07:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not the only one who didn't vote for im_lost. I'm certainly not the only one who saw problems with Theslan's argument.
But in the end it doesn't matter, I was wrong. If theslan's psychic contact is real, I was wrong and im_lost really was the wizard.
I was considering voting for him, but I went out with a bunch of friends right after working and came back late, after the day was over. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> After you already changed your vote from fatal to BK? Sounds kinda strange to me....
ByekaName changed from Freak83TorontoJoin Date: 2003-03-13Member: 14484Members, Constellation
<!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jul 10 2005, 08:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jul 10 2005, 08:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Voting for <b>Freak83</b> for suspicions. It looks like the whole gang (except Gwahir) who voted for BK were trying to divert the vote. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually I voted for BadKarma before all this stuff about im lost even came up. But like I said about BadKarma voting for Hellfire. He had enough votes for it not to make a difference either way.
<!--QuoteBegin-Renegade+Jul 11 2005, 01:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Jul 11 2005, 01:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->[...] <Gwahir> well, since you know the guardian, isn't he protecting you? <Theslan> He is. <Gwahir> then you won't die... <Theslan> well, you never know if the guardian is fake. [...]<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And nobody has commented on this yet? You're sleeping on your posts, people.
The "guardian" was protecting Theslan. Theslan is dead. How can Theslan be dead if the "guardian" was protecting him? Theslan was under the "guardians" protection. Theslan is dead. The "guardian" was fake.
And Theslan was in contact with the psychic as well - or rather someone who claimed to be the psychic. Someone who confirmed that im lost was the wizard - if that's who he was. Fool me once - fool me twice?
The odd, sneaky feeling that I'm getting here is that the wolves are trying to "take over" the human roles in this game, feeding us false success stories until it is too late. The "guardian," through Theslan, told us that im lost might be the wizard, causing us to vote im lost off. The "psychic," through Theslan, confirmed that im lost was indeed the wizard - does the psychic know this? See below, please. At any rate, the "psychic" confirmed the "guardians" story - but the "guardian" turned out to be fake. I'm not trusting this "psychic," and I suspect that Theslan has been played.
<span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'><b>I request a rule clarification:</b></span></span>
The rules for the current game state the following: "If the Seer looks at the Wizard he will be told the Wizard is a wolf." Does this count for the psychic too? Is the psychic told that there are four "wolves" at the beginning of the game, and is that number reduced by one if the wizard is killed? Or is the wizard untraceable for the psychic? Is the psychic initially told that there are three wolves, and no change to that number is made if the wizard dies?
Please clarify, this could be of importance. Leave the clarification to Petco though, his word is the only one that counts.
<!--QuoteBegin-FreakEightyThree+Jul 10 2005, 10:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (FreakEightyThree @ Jul 10 2005, 10:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Fatal Error+Jul 10 2005, 08:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fatal Error @ Jul 10 2005, 08:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Voting for <b>Freak83</b> for suspicions. It looks like the whole gang (except Gwahir) who voted for BK were trying to divert the vote. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually I voted for BadKarma before all this stuff about im lost even came up. But like I said about BadKarma voting for Hellfire. He had enough votes for it not to make a difference either way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah. I see.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jul 11 2005, 06:11 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jul 11 2005, 06:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The "guardian" was protecting Theslan. Theslan is dead. How can Theslan be dead if the "guardian" was protecting him? Theslan was under the "guardians" protection. Theslan is dead. The "guardian" was fake.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The "guardian" was protecting Theslan. Theslan is dead. How can Theslan be dead if the "guardian" was protecting him? Theslan was under the "guardians" protection. Theslan is dead. The "guardian" was fake.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Theslan told me this in confidence a while ago, but there is no point in keeping it a secret now that he is dead:
Theslan was guarded on night two, so could not be guarded again. That is what he told me, and i believe him.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The odd, sneaky feeling that I'm getting here is that the wolves are trying to "take over" the human roles in this game, feeding us false success stories until it is too late. The "guardian," through Theslan, told us that im lost might be the wizard, causing us to vote im lost off. The "psychic," through Theslan, confirmed that im lost was indeed the wizard - does the psychic know this? See below, please. At any rate, the "psychic" confirmed the "guardians" story - but the "guardian" turned out to be fake. I'm not trusting this "psychic," and I suspect that Theslan has been played.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To be honest, the wolves are not good enough to do that. First of all, the guardian would have to be a wolf (Your argument about him being fake is bogus, from what i have been told). The psychic would also have to be a wolf, as would the 'seer' that briefly popped up in Theslans logs.
In TWG IV, i nearly lost us the game by being too paranoid, and i won't make that same mistake again. This <i>could</i> all be a wolf plot, but would the wolves put all their eggs in one basket and give their names to Theslan? I'm pretty sure that at least one person now knows the names of Theslan's contacts, so that would be a death sentence for the wolves if the special roles were indeed fake.
I'm not sure who to vote on yet, so i am going to hold off. Theslan gave us a good start to the game, and the worst thing we could do is ruin it by going back to 'random' votes.
ByekaName changed from Freak83TorontoJoin Date: 2003-03-13Member: 14484Members, Constellation
Theslan wouldn't be likly to announce the fact that he would have been guarded either right? I mean if he said he was going to be guarded last night, then maybe he thought he would throw the wolves vote off of him?
Well, <span style='font-size:10pt;line-height:100%'>assuming</span> that everything is as Theslan and TheMuffinMan said, this at least removes the incriminating evidence against the guardian. With Theslan dead and no contact person stepping forward, we're probably expected to follow whoever is the next one to claim to have been contacted by the guardian. I don't like it, but given the lack of information I have no choice for the moment.
I know that i said i was going to hold my vote, but looking back on the thread gave me an idea. It's nothing more than a hunch, but a hunch is still more than nothing <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I'm voting for <b>Mouse</b> for two reasons: First of all, i'm going to assume that im lost was the wizard. He may not have been, but we have no other leads to go on. Several people tried to vote off BadKarma, which i can understand. I myself had quite a few doubts in Theslans logic, which is why i did not vote for im lost. However, Mouse put in a very suspicious vote for BadKarma, and i cannot ignore that:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Voting for BadKarma, because he isn't acting like a wolf. Which is what a good wolf would be doing. That and I'm at my parents' place this weekend, don't have much time to read the thread.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This makes little sense to me, and seems more like an attempt to bandwagon BadKarma than anyone else. As a few other guys have mentioned, Gwahir did the same thing. I'm going to have to step up and defend him here, as he has acted completely human in all of this. I know that a wolf isn't going to try and act like a wolf, but Mouse is a damn sight more suspicious than Gwahir. I've also chatted with a few people who have defended him, and i tend to agree with them.
Second, and this is a rather pathetic point, he is quite inactive. I know that he is at his parents place for the weekend, which is a fair excuse. We are past the stage where we should be voting based on game activities, but the chances are still high that we will be killing a human tonight. In that case, i would rather kill a suspicious and rather inactive (for the moment, at least) one than a more active, less suspicious person.
After having read over the log for the convo between Gwahir and Thensal that Planetkiller sent me. I have to decided for the time being to switch my vote to <b>Mouse.</b> I have more reason to suspect him now than anyone else atm is seems.
To be fair, Mouse always plays like this. Of course, getting voted off because of a simple thing like this is pretty crazy. He'd pretty much win the craziness contest then, and we can't have that. I am the craziest one here, so I need Mouse alive, if only so I can pwn him.
Any word on the rule clarification I asked for, Petco? I'd like to hear it straight from the horse's mouth.
<!--QuoteBegin-lolfighter+Jul 11 2005, 07:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (lolfighter @ Jul 11 2005, 07:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> To be fair, Mouse always plays like this. Of course, getting voted off because of a simple thing like this is pretty crazy. He'd pretty much win the craziness contest then, and we can't have that. I am the craziest one here, so I need Mouse alive, if only so I can pwn him.
Any word on the rule clarification I asked for, Petco? I'd like to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Of course, but we don't really have much to go on <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> If anything else comes up, i'll be the first to change my vote. I just feel like voting early on in the day for once, and Mouse is the only person other than Gwahir (who i trust a lot more than mouse for several reasons) that is in the least bit suspicious. Trust me though, I'll probably end up changing my vote by the end of the day.
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<Gwahir> petco, you said you might end the night half an hour early
<Gwahir> does that mean you have all the pms?
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<Gwahir> theslan is using the form pm system, right now
<Theslan> yes, I am.
<TheMuffinMan> WOLF!
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<Theslan> I am PMing two people again, in case I die.
<Theslan> same deal, they will reveal the next person that I trust, in case I die.
<Gwahir> well, since you know the guardian, isn't he protecting you?
<Theslan> He is.
<Gwahir> then you won't die...
<Theslan> well, you never know if the guardian is fake.
<Gwahir> true
<Theslan> I'm putting as many redundant systems as possible.
<Gwahir> so we can fly you like the shuttle?
<Theslan> that way, if one thing happens, then things will still go on.
* TheMuffinMan is now known as TheMuffinMan|nothere
<Gwahir> well I guess you should really hope the guardian is real...
<Gwahir> and not just for yourself, but the rest of us too
<Theslan> I hope so.
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<Gwahir> petco, you there?
<Theslan> I really hope so.
<Theslan> if this is all a charade, I'm going to crawl up into a ball and cry.
<Gwahir> heh
<Gwahir> yeah, you've made yourself quite a target
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<Gwahir> you might as well have put a big bullseye on your chest
<Gwahir> last game I dug up the psychic and the wolves killed me as a result
<Gwahir> you there?
<Gwahir> Theslan, are you there?
<Theslan> yes, I am here.
<Theslan> I'm sending out PMs again.
<Gwahir> making sure, you weren't responding
<Gwahir> oh ookay
<Theslan> well, of course I'm a target.
<Theslan> I've been a target since day 1, because I was in contact with the guardian.
<Gwahir> yeah
<Gwahir> I'm surprised you didn't get killed earlier... though if you lucked out the guardian might have defended
<Theslan> Alright, I believe there's enough people here.
<Theslan> In the unlikely case that I'm dead (and the guardian is a fake and not protecting me)...
<Theslan> I've PM both CMEast and TheMuffinman of whom to trust next round.
<Gwahir> same deal as last time eh?
<Theslan> Obviously, if the names don't match, then one of them is a wolf.
<Petco> alright
<Petco> want to end the game a half hour early ?
<Theslan> Give me a few minutes!
<Gwahir> putting up the end of the night petco?
<Theslan> I still need a few more PMs
<Gwahir> so you have the pms then?
<Petco> alright when you're ready, tell me, so I can end the night early if you want
<Petco> yeah
<Gwahir> how's your internet connection working these days?
<Petco> I replaced my ethernet card, internet has been a lot better
<Gwahir> good
<Gwahir> come on theslan, hurry up, I want to see who died so I can get back to work.
<Theslan> I'm sry
<Theslan> but this is going to take another 10 minutes.
<Theslan> I just got some very interesting info.
<Theslan> I'll announce it here shortly, after sending another round of PMs.
<Theslan> alright, I think I've done all the PMs.
<Petco> alright
<Theslan> wait
<Petco> ok nvm
<Theslan> One announcement.
<Theslan> before I die, (and just in case), I am in contact with the psychic.
<Theslan> The psychic has reported to me, that the wizard is indeed dead. There was a connection involved today, and not day 1.
<Theslan> Of course, this could be playing a game... but... it requires both im lost making a mistake, the guardian being who it is, and the psychic confirming it.
<Petco> alright ready for the day?
<Theslan> Unfortunately, I don't know the psychic's identity yet, so... take whatever info you think out of that.
<Theslan> yeah.
<Petco> alright it's posted now
<Theslan> woop, I knew it.
<Nurot> May he rest in peace
<Planetkiller> ah... I thought the psychic didn't know if the wizard died...
<Gwahir> does this mean that you didn't really know the guardian... oh wait I can't talk to you
<Petco> the psychic does, to sort of give him a buff
<Petco> for the wizard
<Theslan> I would like to offer a counter to Gwahir, but I'm dead.
<Planetkiller> k
<Theslan> and great, both CMEast and Muffinman are asleep now.
Infer what you wish from that.
Oh well, gg, I hope I made a difference in this game. See you guys on the post-game thread.
But in the end it doesn't matter, I was wrong.
If theslan's psychic contact is real, I was wrong and im_lost really was the wizard.
I was considering voting for him, but I went out with a bunch of friends right after working and came back late, after the day was over.
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He's been spending about an hour trying to set me up in IRC.
reason enough for me.
But in the end it doesn't matter, I was wrong.
If theslan's psychic contact is real, I was wrong and im_lost really was the wizard.
I was considering voting for him, but I went out with a bunch of friends right after working and came back late, after the day was over. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
After you already changed your vote from fatal to BK? Sounds kinda strange to me....
Actually I voted for BadKarma before all this stuff about im lost even came up. But like I said about BadKarma voting for Hellfire. He had enough votes for it not to make a difference either way.
Gwahir - 2 (Nurot, Freak83)
Freak83 - 1 (Fatal Error)
Nurot - 1 (Gwahir)
Mouse - 1 (Planetkiller)
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>_>
<Gwahir> well, since you know the guardian, isn't he protecting you?
<Theslan> He is.
<Gwahir> then you won't die...
<Theslan> well, you never know if the guardian is fake.
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And nobody has commented on this yet? You're sleeping on your posts, people.
The "guardian" was protecting Theslan. Theslan is dead.
How can Theslan be dead if the "guardian" was protecting him? Theslan was under the "guardians" protection. Theslan is dead. The "guardian" was fake.
And Theslan was in contact with the psychic as well - or rather someone who claimed to be the psychic. Someone who confirmed that im lost was the wizard - if that's who he was. Fool me once - fool me twice?
The odd, sneaky feeling that I'm getting here is that the wolves are trying to "take over" the human roles in this game, feeding us false success stories until it is too late. The "guardian," through Theslan, told us that im lost might be the wizard, causing us to vote im lost off. The "psychic," through Theslan, confirmed that im lost was indeed the wizard - does the psychic know this? See below, please. At any rate, the "psychic" confirmed the "guardians" story - but the "guardian" turned out to be fake. I'm not trusting this "psychic," and I suspect that Theslan has been played.
<span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'><b>I request a rule clarification:</b></span></span>
The rules for the current game state the following:
"If the Seer looks at the Wizard he will be told the Wizard is a wolf."
Does this count for the psychic too? Is the psychic told that there are four "wolves" at the beginning of the game, and is that number reduced by one if the wizard is killed?
Or is the wizard untraceable for the psychic? Is the psychic initially told that there are three wolves, and no change to that number is made if the wizard dies?
Please clarify, this could be of importance. Leave the clarification to Petco though, his word is the only one that counts.
Actually I voted for BadKarma before all this stuff about im lost even came up. But like I said about BadKarma voting for Hellfire. He had enough votes for it not to make a difference either way. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah.
I see.
<b>Mouse</b>, then for the same reasons.
How can Theslan be dead if the "guardian" was protecting him? Theslan was under the "guardians" protection. Theslan is dead. The "guardian" was fake.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The "guardian" was protecting Theslan. Theslan is dead.
How can Theslan be dead if the "guardian" was protecting him? Theslan was under the "guardians" protection. Theslan is dead. The "guardian" was fake.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Theslan told me this in confidence a while ago, but there is no point in keeping it a secret now that he is dead:
Theslan was guarded on night two, so could not be guarded again. That is what he told me, and i believe him.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The odd, sneaky feeling that I'm getting here is that the wolves are trying to "take over" the human roles in this game, feeding us false success stories until it is too late. The "guardian," through Theslan, told us that im lost might be the wizard, causing us to vote im lost off. The "psychic," through Theslan, confirmed that im lost was indeed the wizard - does the psychic know this? See below, please. At any rate, the "psychic" confirmed the "guardians" story - but the "guardian" turned out to be fake. I'm not trusting this "psychic," and I suspect that Theslan has been played.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To be honest, the wolves are not good enough to do that. First of all, the guardian would have to be a wolf (Your argument about him being fake is bogus, from what i have been told). The psychic would also have to be a wolf, as would the 'seer' that briefly popped up in Theslans logs.
In TWG IV, i nearly lost us the game by being too paranoid, and i won't make that same mistake again. This <i>could</i> all be a wolf plot, but would the wolves put all their eggs in one basket and give their names to Theslan? I'm pretty sure that at least one person now knows the names of Theslan's contacts, so that would be a death sentence for the wolves if the special roles were indeed fake.
I'm not sure who to vote on yet, so i am going to hold off. Theslan gave us a good start to the game, and the worst thing we could do is ruin it by going back to 'random' votes.
I'm voting for <b>Mouse</b> for two reasons:
First of all, i'm going to assume that im lost was the wizard. He may not have been, but we have no other leads to go on. Several people tried to vote off BadKarma, which i can understand. I myself had quite a few doubts in Theslans logic, which is why i did not vote for im lost. However, Mouse put in a very suspicious vote for BadKarma, and i cannot ignore that:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Voting for BadKarma, because he isn't acting like a wolf. Which is what a good wolf would be doing. That and I'm at my parents' place this weekend, don't have much time to read the thread.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This makes little sense to me, and seems more like an attempt to bandwagon BadKarma than anyone else. As a few other guys have mentioned, Gwahir did the same thing. I'm going to have to step up and defend him here, as he has acted completely human in all of this. I know that a wolf isn't going to try and act like a wolf, but Mouse is a damn sight more suspicious than Gwahir. I've also chatted with a few people who have defended him, and i tend to agree with them.
Second, and this is a rather pathetic point, he is quite inactive. I know that he is at his parents place for the weekend, which is a fair excuse. We are past the stage where we should be voting based on game activities, but the chances are still high that we will be killing a human tonight. In that case, i would rather kill a suspicious and rather inactive (for the moment, at least) one than a more active, less suspicious person.
Any word on the rule clarification I asked for, Petco? I'd like to hear it straight from the horse's mouth.
Any word on the rule clarification I asked for, Petco? I'd like to hear it straight from the horse's mouth. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Of course, but we don't really have much to go on <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> If anything else comes up, i'll be the first to change my vote. I just feel like voting early on in the day for once, and Mouse is the only person other than Gwahir (who i trust a lot more than mouse for several reasons) that is in the least bit suspicious. Trust me though, I'll probably end up changing my vote by the end of the day.
Gwahir - 1 (Freak83)
Nurot - 1 (Gwahir)
Mouse - 5 (Planetkiller, Mouse, Fatal Error, TheMuffinMan, Nurot)
When did posting the vote counts stop being the host's responsibility? I remember being hissed at for not posting updates at five in the morning. >_>