Wtb Lcd Monitor!

ScytheScythe NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46Posts: 4,372 mod
edited July 2005 in Off-Topic
17 inch, sub-10ms response time.
I'm in the market for an LCD monitor. My main stipulations are price, which limits size to no bigger than about 17 inch, and that it's good for gaming, so its response rate is about 10ms or lower. Preferably 8. I'm not interested in waiting six months for the 4ms craze to take off.

I've got my eye on this one. Any comments? Recommendations?

--Scythe--

Edit: My linkdump: Phillips Title of webpage here
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  • CyndaneCyndane Members Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Posts: 3,010 Advanced user
    Is there any particular reason you do not wish to use a CRT, since you can buy one at about 1/4 of the price... and have it be 19"?
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  • MelatoninMelatonin Babbler Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14551Posts: 1,033
    QUOTE (Cyndane @ Jul 2 2005, 12:29 PM)
    Is there any particular reason you do not wish to use a CRT, since you can buy one at about 1/4 of the price... and have it be 19"?
  • CyndaneCyndane Members Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Posts: 3,010 Advanced user
    59.99 pounds is quite a bit more then what he would want to pay in Aussie dollars. (Scythes an aussieman) :-)
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  • MelatoninMelatonin Babbler Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14551Posts: 1,033
    edited July 2005
    nuh uh.. google teaches that 60.00 GBP = 141.119 AUD
    but shipping would be absurd from UK to AUS anyway
    then again, I think there are alot of these big old CRTs floating around if you look in the right places.

    /threadjack
  • ScytheScythe NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation, Reinforced - Silver Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 46Posts: 4,372 mod
    QUOTE (Cyndane @ Jul 2 2005, 10:38 PM)
    59.99 pounds is quite a bit more then what he would want to pay in Aussie dollars. (Scythes an aussieman) :-)

    Actually 60 pounds is $141 aussie dollars. I'm looking at spending up to $350.

    Now I'm asking politly, Cyndane, please get out of my thread if you have nothing constructive to add.

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  • CyndaneCyndane Members Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Posts: 3,010 Advanced user
    edited July 2005
    Scythe, I asked a question, which you have yet to answer... but fine be that way.


    *Edit* Because I'm a jerk, "politely."
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  • remiremi remedy [blu.knight] Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester Join Date: 2003-11-18 Member: 23112Posts: 2,689 admin
    Dell has a 17" LCD Ultrasharp one for about 250...
    I believe it's timing is 5 ms.
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  • DiscoZombieDiscoZombie Members Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Posts: 4,521 Advanced user
    I'm with Cyndane - crt ftw. LCDs are just for making people go 'ooh he has an LCD monitor, he must be rich.'
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  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Members Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Posts: 6,072
    edited July 2005
    I chose LCD so I can move my comp easier and cause I like the flatness. Besides this 21" LCD only cost me $300, which was pretty good for me.

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  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Members Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Posts: 2,778 Advanced user
    CRT's are also big huge ugly pieces of plastic that make your room 5000 bajillion degree's hotter, LCD's are not that.
  • CyndaneCyndane Members Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22913Posts: 3,010 Advanced user
    QUOTE (Sonic @ Jul 2 2005, 09:32 AM)
    CRT's are also big huge ugly pieces of plastic that make your room 5000 bajillion degree's hotter, LCD's are not that.

    I'd like to start by saying that unless you know what you are talking about, I wouldn't make such broad assumptions.

    Flat screen CRTs solve quite a bit of space issue, however they are quite a bit larger then an LCD.

    LCD's run significantly hotter, then any CRT.

    QUOTE (Wikipedia.org)

    In color LCDs each pixel is divided into three cells, or subpixels, which are colored red, green, and blue, respectively, by additional filters. Each subpixel can be controlled independently to yield thousands or millions of possible colors for each pixel.

    More electricity flowing through said LCD display will create more heat. There are more cells in a LCD display, you get more heat, which is why if you touch the back of a monitor that is in LCD format you end up with hotter surface then a CRT. (However, it should be noted that our sense of touch (usually) isn't sensitive enough to notice the difference.)
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    Its also much easier on your eyes to use an LCD, cause even if you can't consciously see the flicker, its still there. There is also some anecdotal evidence that spending a lot of time in front of crt monitors can increase your chances of getting skin cancer.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    QUOTE (Cyndane @ Jul 2 2005, 11:44 AM)
    QUOTE (Wikipedia.org)

    In color LCDs each pixel is divided into three cells, or subpixels, which are colored red, green, and blue, respectively, by additional filters. Each subpixel can be controlled independently to yield thousands or millions of possible colors for each pixel.

    More electricity flowing through said LCD display will create more heat. There are more cells in a LCD display, you get more heat, which is why if you touch the back of a monitor that is in LCD format you end up with hotter surface then a CRT. (However, it should be noted that our sense of touch (usually) isn't sensitive enough to notice the difference.)

    What on earth are you talking about? It is a completely different technology! CRTs are firing electrons at your face, and shaking up atoms on the screen enough to glow. That's a lot less energy efficient than rotating molecules with small electronic stimuli.
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    The power required to run an LCD is about one-third of that required for a CRT with the same screen area. In addition, the amount of heat generated by an LCD monitor is considerably less than a CRT monitor, resulting in a lower load on air conditioning. Building cooling needs may be decreased by up to 20%.
  • Rapier7Rapier7 Members Join Date: 2004-02-05 Member: 26108Posts: 1,215 Fully active user
    Electricity consumption is vastly lower on an LCD than a CRT. You'd make up for the premium on electricity within a year.

    Any LCD screen currently out on the market with a 12 ms response time or lower uses 6 bit TN panels. The color quality is noticeable for movies and people with sharp vision. Practically every 16 ms screen uses a higher color quality panel that's 8 bit. Remember, 16.2 million color spec is the 6 bit panel, 16.7 million color spec is the 8 bit. The "true" colors produced by the 6 bit is actually around 256,000. However, they get those 16 million other colors by dithering, which produces a lower quality image.

    So if you're using this screen primarily for gaming, go for the 6 bit. If you also plan on watching movies and just general usage, I'd get the slower, but better quality 8 bit panel.
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  • Deus_Ex_MachinaDeus_Ex_Machina Members Join Date: 2004-07-01 Member: 29674Posts: 242
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?...N82E16824179014

    If you can afford it, that's a sweet one, but otherwise just stick your specs in here:

    http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/SubCateg...?Subcategory=20

    And it will find something in your pricerange (in US Dollars), even if you don't order from Newegg, you can look for the same monitor elsewhere.
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  • aonomusaonomus Dedicated NS Mastermind (no need for school) Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-11-26 Member: 23605Posts: 622
    I just bought a 17" Hyundai Imagequest monitor, 8ms response time, its the L72S, go look it up. The monitor works quite well for twitch gaming too.
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  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The NetherlandsForum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Posts: 3,656 mod
    My former 17" CRT could warm up my room, my current 17" TFT makes me feel cold, also I have more deskroom smile-fix.gif


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    TFT is quit a bit more expensive, although I prefer the TFT because it does not strain my eyes as much as a CRT monitor does.
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  • Mad_ManMad_Man Members, Constellation Join Date: 2003-06-13 Member: 17359Posts: 434
    I have this crt and while its not a lcd it is a fast refresh and great picture
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