<!--QuoteBegin-Jstek+Jul 1 2005, 03:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jstek @ Jul 1 2005, 03:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OMG.. There are plenty of mp_blockscripts off servers out there.. Why not use them?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> there arent
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Or perhaps, you like it the mp_blockscripts on servers because they generally have a newer and less experience playerbase. So you just want to pwn some nubs... Because you cant handel players on the same skill level or higher or what? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
because cal allows scripts and they are used in pugs/scrims/matches in north america, and majority of scripters are clanners, your argument holds absolutely no weight. youre right though; bs_1 servers are generally nubbier. thats why i hate playing on them (even though i dont use scripts).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Basically its a server option. You guys are bitching to the wrong ppl here. You should be blaming the server operators and fault them (if you dare)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
dont worry about the server ops, they mostly change blockscripts from the default value to "1" out of ignorance. but you'd expect that the devs would know better than to create such a variable that just feeds them (the server ops).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But then again, they will just **** in your face because your just a mindless forum troll who has nothing better to do anyways. And they run a server.. and you well just dont... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
no problem. let it all out like everyone else has in this thread, my only grief is that temp bans are somehow harder to get nowadays.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So get a clue... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
words out of my mouth. oh well not really, i just felt like saying something witty here.
<!--QuoteBegin-TOmekki+Jul 1 2005, 01:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TOmekki @ Jul 1 2005, 01:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jul 1 2005, 01:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jul 1 2005, 01:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-AngelOfMusic+Jun 30 2005, 11:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AngelOfMusic @ Jun 30 2005, 11:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Hellabeans+Jun 30 2005, 11:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hellabeans @ Jun 30 2005, 11:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Do you know how hard it is to keep a non-scripted and perfectly timed bunnyhop going on spacebar? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bunnyhopping is too hard it should be removed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> As stated by the dev's NS is balanced to accomidate for bhopping, and it is a feature, not a bug. It isn't really even that hard, it is just unaccessable by default due to rediculously impossible to time jump mechanics. A 3jump key should be included in the NS default set up so it doesn't have to be scripted to be useable.
There is no such thing as "too hard, should be removed". This game requires skill to play, bunnyhopping is a skill like any other. There are hundreds of players who can bhop effortlessly. It's going to be a difficult task to find a proper replacement for bunnyhopping if it ever removed in future installments of NS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> christ youre so dumb swiftspear
it was sarcasm, hello <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I thought it might be but there were no indications... I've never seen angel before.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jul 1 2005, 04:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jul 1 2005, 04:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I thought it might be but there were no indications... I've never seen angel before. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> :E
<!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jun 30 2005, 09:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jun 30 2005, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The positive aspect is communication and control managability, <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yes. This is the argument people should be using, not "it makes it more convenient"
Communication and control <i>managability</i>. Not just control. The distinction is important. I've come to the conclusion that I don't mind scripts. It's NS's faulty UI that requires scripts for control that I've come to dislike.
For the question what's wrong with pistol scripts? Yes, I said it doesn't take the place of skill, I also said it *does* take the place of endurance. If someone doesn't have the endurance in their finger to actually hit the button as many times as they fire the pistol, maybe they simply should accept that and not fire as much, rather than getting some computer aid to do it for them. Hey, I don't use a computer to aid my aiming, why should they use one to aid their ailing finger muscles?
Custom cross-hairs, though, especially the pin-point shotgun type? They should be classed right along with blanking the wall textures and getting rid/altering skulk teeth and muzzle flash.
Basicly i highly think that mp_blockscript_1 needs some tweaking. Theres completely no sense on blocking the way people have bhopped since version 1 (or whenever some of you started to bhop in ns) just to force them to use mwheel instead. Its like forcing everyone to play with arror keys and f1 as jump key.
Im a happy bs_1 player, since scripts generally dont give any advantages what so ever, only one that even remotely would help me would be pistolscript but being that iv tried it, i still prefer to play without it(let alone the fact that you can use mwheel to gain the same result).
But yeah, why i believe theres BS_1 servers so much? Because people believe that scripts give too much help to players who use them, and i can agree with that. They do help some players to a degree, but just because some of you have gone that point and you can gain a better result without them. It doesnt mean that they dont give any help at all (I believe that not one of you have even said that they would).
Bottomline, some scripts help your play, not all. BS_1 was a sad attempt to block scripts that help, only thing that the dev who ever "fixed" BS_1 didnt realise(or maybe the guy who told him to do that or what ever) that when doing so, he actually blocked more "usefull" methods of scripts than the abusive ones. Which in humble oppinion was a big mistake.
I kinda liked Swiftwires thought of making BS_1 only block use of +attack and +moveup in aliases(plus to _special ofcourse). Would definately be better than the current version we have.
Hum, wasnt that awful alot of information all of you already knew, bleh.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ahnteis+Jun 29 2005, 05:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ahnteis @ Jun 29 2005, 05:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Splinter Steve?+Jun 29 2005, 10:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Splinter Steve? @ Jun 29 2005, 10:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We're gonna cite blockscripts as the death of NS now? Come on, someone just say it and make my day.
Boo friggin' hoo. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> One reason among many.
Making scripting MORE accessible will let NEW players learn to play more easily. It just annoys the good players without any real impact on their kill-rate. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Their scripts will play for them.
<!--QuoteBegin-Kwil+Jul 1 2005, 10:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kwil @ Jul 1 2005, 10:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jun 30 2005, 09:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jun 30 2005, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The positive aspect is communication and control managability, <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Custom cross-hairs, though, especially the pin-point shotgun type? They should be classed right along with blanking the wall textures and getting rid/altering skulk teeth and muzzle flash. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> please bring this argument to the leagues i could use a good laugh
<!--QuoteBegin-joee+Jul 1 2005, 12:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (joee @ Jul 1 2005, 12:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Kwil+Jul 1 2005, 10:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kwil @ Jul 1 2005, 10:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Swiftspear+Jun 30 2005, 09:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Jun 30 2005, 09:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The positive aspect is communication and control managability, <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Custom cross-hairs, though, especially the pin-point shotgun type? They should be classed right along with blanking the wall textures and getting rid/altering skulk teeth and muzzle flash. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> please bring this argument to the leagues i could use a good laugh <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ya, it's not our fault the devs make a shotgun with a compleatly non random spray. The other crosshairs are all just small and non-ugly unlike the original ones which are the most rediculously obtrusive thing's I've ever seen.
Honestly dev's just go back to the 1.x crosshairs by default, they were MUCH more practical.
<!--QuoteBegin-Al Kaholic+Jun 30 2005, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Al Kaholic @ Jun 30 2005, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...I shouldn't even be touching this, but... Giving <i>ignorant</i> admins a decision which infringes upon they playing style of a[ny] part of the game's player base is bad. It's not right to force people to either play in a similar fashion as all the others on the server or leave; if the developers wanted everyone to play the game in the exact same fashion, we'd have static configurations. But we don't. We have the choice to play the game in the fashion we want, except when it comes to bs_1 servers. And when the choice to set bs_ to 1 is made by people who don't understand the decision they're making, that's hardly fair.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This paragraph is contradictive...
<i>"It's not right to force people to either play in a similar fashion as all the others on the server or leave"</i>
You're not forced to play a certain way, you have the privledge of playing in several servers, mp_bs 0 or 1. The entire point of mp_bs is to give people freedom of choice, if there was no mp_bs, it's just forcing the people who don't want to play with scripters to do so.
<i>We have the choice to play the game in the fashion we want, except when it comes to bs_1 servers.</i>
No, that's just the point.. <b>you have the choice to play the game in the fashion you want</b>. If you want to play with scripts, play mp_bs 0, otherwise play mp_bs 1.
<i>And when the choice to set bs_ to 1 is made by people who don't understand the decision they're making, that's hardly fair.</i>
Nonetheless, the decision is theirs, as after all... <u>they are paying for the server</u>.
<!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jun 30 2005, 07:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jun 30 2005, 07:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Real PUA+Jun 30 2005, 05:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Real PUA @ Jun 30 2005, 05:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Anyways, from what I've seen, it is the majority of pub players (or atleast the server ops )that don't like scripts. Let them have mp_bs 1. This way the better players will play together on the few mp_bs 0 servers.
Many anti scipters are very ignorant about scripts. Ignorance lead to fear, fear leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side (mp_bs 1). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The problem is that there are so few mp_bs 0 pubs. Finding a pub with:
mp_bs 0 less than 20 players ns most of the time no game-changing mods less than 100 ping
...is impossible for me. I don't have the time nor energy to join a clan, so I pretty much have had to give up ns. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or, god forbid, you play without scripts? There are more mp_bs 1 servers because pub players like it more. "Natural Selection" at its finest (no pun intended).
<!--QuoteBegin-Kwil+Jul 1 2005, 10:04 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kwil @ Jul 1 2005, 10:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Custom cross-hairs, though, especially the pin-point shotgun type? They should be classed right along with blanking the wall textures and getting rid/altering skulk teeth and muzzle flash. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yes because custom crosshairs allow you to kill the alien without even really aiming at him.
youre exagerating, and you know it. stop. or if you dont know then get a grip
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 03:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 03:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or, god forbid, you play without scripts? There are more mp_bs 1 servers because pub players like it more. "Natural Selection" at its finest (no pun intended). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I never play on an mp_blockscript server.
I like to compare completely different genre's because it's cool and witty. Where NS adds lerk's primal scream, SC 2 adds soul charge, WTH SC 2 sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> what does genre matter. its the difference in attitudes that is being pointed out.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 02:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or, god forbid, you play without scripts? There are more mp_bs 1 servers because pub players like it more. "Natural Selection" at its finest (no pun intended). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Funny.
All you pro mp_bs people say, "Play on mp_bs 0 servers if you want to use scripts!"
Too bad you don't realise I can't <i>because there are no decent mp_bs 0 pubs that I can enjoy playing on!</i>
Thanks for ruining a game I spent over a year playing with your blind ignorance.
<!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jul 1 2005, 04:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jul 1 2005, 04:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 02:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or, god forbid, you play without scripts? There are more mp_bs 1 servers because pub players like it more. "Natural Selection" at its finest (no pun intended). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Funny.
All you pro mp_bs people say, "Play on mp_bs 0 servers if you want to use scripts!"
Too bad you don't realise I can't <i>because there are no decent mp_bs 0 pubs that I can enjoy playing on!</i>
Thanks for ruining a game I spent over a year playing with your blind ignorance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Host a server then, or convince a clan or server host to put one up.
So I should be forced to pay hundreds of dollars a year just to enjoy a game that is normally free for the vast majority of it's players? Just becuase I want to use scripts? Brilliant. -_-
I like to compare completely different genre's because it's cool and witty. Where NS adds lerk's primal scream, SC 2 adds soul charge, WTH SC 2 sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> what does genre matter. its the difference in attitudes that is being pointed out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The point is that attitude can be 100% different from genre from genre.
<!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jul 1 2005, 04:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jul 1 2005, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So I should be forced to pay hundreds of dollars a year just to enjoy a game that is normally free for the vast majority of it's players? Just becuase I want to use scripts? Brilliant. -_- <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nobodys forcing you, feel free to wait around for a good mp_bs 0 server. In the meantime, be sure to complain about blockscripts whenever possible on the forums.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 03:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nobodys forcing you, feel free to wait around for a good mp_bs 0 server. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying I should be forced to give up a game I truly enjoyed because I don't have the finances to run a server?
I like to compare completely different genre's because it's cool and witty. Where NS adds lerk's primal scream, SC 2 adds soul charge, WTH SC 2 sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> what does genre matter. its the difference in attitudes that is being pointed out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> An attitude that came after the implementation of the cvar, not before.
Keep this thread going please, its a barrel of laughs, but less of the "buy your own server kthx" Thats an extrememly weak argument.
<!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jul 1 2005, 04:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jul 1 2005, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 03:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nobodys forcing you, feel free to wait around for a good mp_bs 0 server. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying I should be forced to give up a game I truly enjoyed because I don't have the finances to run a server? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Look, NS servers are completely player hosted. There are several options (perhaps not all of them are available to everyone).
- Play a server that caters to your playstyle. - Convince a clan to host a public server. - Get a group of friends to host a server. - Pitch in to a player community hosts a server, by buying a reserve slot, etc. - Wait around for one to become available, or in the meantime play one that's not exactly your favorite playstyle.
The exact same caveat applies to servers with ghost bots, custom CO servers, and custom map servers. It's pretty hard nowadays to find a co map without extra levels and all kinds of other crazy crap, but thats just because more players seem to like it. Instead of complaining about those mods on the forums, I look for a server that doesn't run them, or I wait until a vanilla co server is around, or I play ns... I'm sorry if your playstyle is not the most popular one, but I don't know what to tell you beside act.
I like to compare completely different genre's because it's cool and witty. Where NS adds lerk's primal scream, SC 2 adds soul charge, WTH SC 2 sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> what does genre matter. its the difference in attitudes that is being pointed out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> An attitude that came after the implementation of the cvar, not before.
Keep this thread going please, its a barrel of laughs, but less of the "buy your own server kthx" Thats an extrememly weak argument. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Here's a better one then:
Where Honda releases the Insight, Hummer releases the H2.
Both are valid concepts, and both have large followings. Whose to say which is right and which is wrong? That same comment applies to the WoW/NS comment.
<!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jul 1 2005, 04:24 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jul 1 2005, 04:24 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 02:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 02:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Or, god forbid, you play without scripts? There are more mp_bs 1 servers because pub players like it more. "Natural Selection" at its finest (no pun intended). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Funny.
All you pro mp_bs people say, "Play on mp_bs 0 servers if you want to use scripts!"
Too bad you don't realise I can't <i>because there are no decent mp_bs 0 pubs that I can enjoy playing on!</i>
Thanks for ruining a game I spent over a year playing with your blind ignorance. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ahh.. poor baby.. if you feel so strongly about it.. then put your money where your mouth is.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 04:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jul 1 2005, 04:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jul 1 2005, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 03:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nobodys forcing you, feel free to wait around for a good mp_bs 0 server. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying I should be forced to give up a game I truly enjoyed because I don't have the finances to run a server? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Look, NS servers are completely player hosted. There are several options (perhaps not all of them are available to everyone).
- Play a server that caters to your playstyle. - Convince a clan to host a public server. - Get a group of friends to host a server. - Pitch in to a player community hosts a server, by buying a reserve slot, etc. - Wait around for one to become available, or in the meantime play one that's not exactly your favorite playstyle.
The exact same caveat applies to servers with ghost bots, custom CO servers, and custom map servers. It's pretty hard nowadays to find a co map without extra levels and all kinds of other crazy crap, but thats just because more players seem to like it. Instead of complaining about those mods on the forums, I look for a server that doesn't run them, or I wait until a vanilla co server is around, or I play ns... I'm sorry if your playstyle is not the most popular one, but I don't know what to tell you beside act. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Well Said Ravatar...
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 03:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 03:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Look, NS servers are completely player hosted. There are several options (perhaps not all of them are available to everyone).
- Play a server that caters to your playstyle. - Convince a clan to host a public server. - Get a group of friends to host a server. - Pitch in to a player community hosts a server, by buying a reserve slot, etc. - Wait around for one to become available, or in the meantime play one that's not exactly your favorite playstyle.
The exact same caveat applies to servers with ghost bots, custom CO servers, and custom map servers. It's pretty hard nowadays to find a co map without extra levels and all kinds of other crazy crap, but thats just because more players seem to like it. Instead of complaining about those mods on the forums, I look for a server that doesn't run them, or I wait until a vanilla co server is around, or I play ns... I'm sorry if your playstyle is not the most popular one, but I don't know what to tell you beside act.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> 1) Is something I tried for several months. Couldn't find any. 2) Is something that is highly unlikely at best; most clans only have one private server, and I have no connection to any clans that would give me an even chance of convincing the ops to open their server. 3) Already tried that, didn't work out. 4) See number 1 5) Done - namely, I've moved to the mod Ghost Ops and BF2. I still hold out some hope for NS in the future, but as it is now it is simply impossible for me to enjoy a game.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ahh.. poor baby.. if you feel so strongly about it.. then put your money where your mouth is.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why don't you go troll somewhere else, ok?
<!--QuoteBegin-Jstek+Jul 1 2005, 06:46 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jstek @ Jul 1 2005, 06:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 04:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jul 1 2005, 04:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jul 1 2005, 04:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 03:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 03:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nobodys forcing you, feel free to wait around for a good mp_bs 0 server. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you're saying I should be forced to give up a game I truly enjoyed because I don't have the finances to run a server? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Look, NS servers are completely player hosted. There are several options (perhaps not all of them are available to everyone).
- Play a server that caters to your playstyle. - Convince a clan to host a public server. - Get a group of friends to host a server. - Pitch in to a player community hosts a server, by buying a reserve slot, etc. - Wait around for one to become available, or in the meantime play one that's not exactly your favorite playstyle.
The exact same caveat applies to servers with ghost bots, custom CO servers, and custom map servers. It's pretty hard nowadays to find a co map without extra levels and all kinds of other crazy crap, but thats just because more players seem to like it. Instead of complaining about those mods on the forums, I look for a server that doesn't run them, or I wait until a vanilla co server is around, or I play ns... I'm sorry if your playstyle is not the most popular one, but I don't know what to tell you beside act. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well Said Ravatar... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> CLAN?
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 04:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DragonMech+Jul 1 2005, 04:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DragonMech @ Jul 1 2005, 04:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So I should be forced to pay hundreds of dollars a year just to enjoy a game that is normally free for the vast majority of it's players? Just becuase I want to use scripts? Brilliant. -_- <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Nobodys forcing you, feel free to wait around for a good mp_bs 0 server. In the meantime, be sure to complain about blockscripts whenever possible on the forums. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> ROFL
Nobodys forcing you, too bad that entire argument is refuted by the fact that cvar exists , since it inherently forces us to play with slower crappier less efficent controls.
<!--QuoteBegin-Ravatar+Jul 1 2005, 04:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ravatar @ Jul 1 2005, 04:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Al Kaholic+Jun 30 2005, 07:03 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Al Kaholic @ Jun 30 2005, 07:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->...I shouldn't even be touching this, but... Giving <i>ignorant</i> admins a decision which infringes upon they playing style of a[ny] part of the game's player base is bad. It's not right to force people to either play in a similar fashion as all the others on the server or leave; if the developers wanted everyone to play the game in the exact same fashion, we'd have static configurations. But we don't. We have the choice to play the game in the fashion we want, except when it comes to bs_1 servers. And when the choice to set bs_ to 1 is made by people who don't understand the decision they're making, that's hardly fair.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> This paragraph is contradictive...
<i>"It's not right to force people to either play in a similar fashion as all the others on the server or leave"</i>
You're not forced to play a certain way, you have the privledge of playing in several servers, mp_bs 0 or 1. The entire point of mp_bs is to give people freedom of choice, if there was no mp_bs, it's just forcing the people who don't want to play with scripters to do so.
<i>We have the choice to play the game in the fashion we want, except when it comes to bs_1 servers.</i>
No, that's just the point.. <b>you have the choice to play the game in the fashion you want</b>. If you want to play with scripts, play mp_bs 0, otherwise play mp_bs 1.
<i>And when the choice to set bs_ to 1 is made by people who don't understand the decision they're making, that's hardly fair.</i>
Nonetheless, the decision is theirs, as after all... <u>they are paying for the server</u>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> You completely missed the point I was trying to make. Why should you <i>have</i> to play on a bs_0 server just to use scripts, a utility open and avaliable to every player? Why is it an imperative to split a player-base over an option everybody has equal-access to? It makes no sense.
I can certainly understand a server operator sincerely wanting to enable bs_1 and going about it in a fair, thought-out, and un-biased, but there's two things wrong. One; as much as we'd like to humor ourselves, we can't figure out what's going on in people's heads. Two; the subject of scripts is...well, subject...to a lot of hearsay and biased attitudes, making it even more impossible to tell whether or not the decision to enable blockscripts was made fairly.
I'll repeat that: <b>because the decision to enable blockscripts was made unfairly, you shouldn't be able to play in the fashion you desire on that server? No. Even worse, you say that anyone that wants to use scripts should only seek servers that cater to them? NO.</b> Why are we dividing ourselves trying to cater to each half? Why should you be forced to abstain from a server, and thus, the community therein, because the operator and you don't see eye-to-eye?
Oh, wait, that's right, because he's paying for the server. The All-mighty Dollar. Well, guess what? Contrary to poular belief, money does not buy you rights. So, you rent or buy a server; yippidy-doo. That doesn't mean much. Infact, more or less, it means <i>responsibility</i>, and <i>integrity;</i> you're held responsible for maintaining the community therein in a fair and just manner. Money doesn't give you the right to operate a server in whatever haphazard fashion you desire.
...Alright, so it does, in this case. Still, why should it? I payed to play Half-Life and, thus, Natural Selection. Just because somebody else payed more than I did, they have more rights and privelages than I do?
That's <i>exactly</i> how it works, and that's what's wrong with blockscripts. Nothing should give you the right to alienate players simply because of how they play the game, outside of banning players that act innapropriately or cheat/exploit. <i>But scripts aren't as a whole innapropriate, exploitive, or a form of cheating.</i> So, why do we have blockscripts again?
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OMG.. There are plenty of mp_blockscripts off servers out there.. Why not use them?? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
there arent
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Or perhaps, you like it the mp_blockscripts on servers because they generally have a newer and less experience playerbase. So you just want to pwn some nubs... Because you cant handel players on the same skill level or higher or what?
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because cal allows scripts and they are used in pugs/scrims/matches in north america, and majority of scripters are clanners, your argument holds absolutely no weight. youre right though; bs_1 servers are generally nubbier. thats why i hate playing on them (even though i dont use scripts).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Basically its a server option. You guys are bitching to the wrong ppl here. You should be blaming the server operators and fault them (if you dare)<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
dont worry about the server ops, they mostly change blockscripts from the default value to "1" out of ignorance. but you'd expect that the devs would know better than to create such a variable that just feeds them (the server ops).
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->But then again, they will just **** in your face because your just a mindless forum troll who has nothing better to do anyways. And they run a server.. and you well just dont... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
no problem. let it all out like everyone else has in this thread, my only grief is that temp bans are somehow harder to get nowadays.
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So get a clue...
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words out of my mouth. oh well not really, i just felt like saying something witty here.
Bunnyhopping is too hard it should be removed. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As stated by the dev's NS is balanced to accomidate for bhopping, and it is a feature, not a bug. It isn't really even that hard, it is just unaccessable by default due to rediculously impossible to time jump mechanics. A 3jump key should be included in the NS default set up so it doesn't have to be scripted to be useable.
There is no such thing as "too hard, should be removed". This game requires skill to play, bunnyhopping is a skill like any other. There are hundreds of players who can bhop effortlessly. It's going to be a difficult task to find a proper replacement for bunnyhopping if it ever removed in future installments of NS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
christ youre so dumb swiftspear
it was sarcasm, hello <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I thought it might be but there were no indications... I've never seen angel before.
I thought it might be but there were no indications... I've never seen angel before. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
:E
Yes. This is the argument people should be using, not "it makes it more convenient"
Communication and control <i>managability</i>. Not just control. The distinction is important. I've come to the conclusion that I don't mind scripts. It's NS's faulty UI that requires scripts for control that I've come to dislike.
For the question what's wrong with pistol scripts? Yes, I said it doesn't take the place of skill, I also said it *does* take the place of endurance. If someone doesn't have the endurance in their finger to actually hit the button as many times as they fire the pistol, maybe they simply should accept that and not fire as much, rather than getting some computer aid to do it for them. Hey, I don't use a computer to aid my aiming, why should they use one to aid their ailing finger muscles?
Custom cross-hairs, though, especially the pin-point shotgun type? They should be classed right along with blanking the wall textures and getting rid/altering skulk teeth and muzzle flash.
Im a happy bs_1 player, since scripts generally dont give any advantages what so ever, only one that even remotely would help me would be pistolscript but being that iv tried it, i still prefer to play without it(let alone the fact that you can use mwheel to gain the same result).
But yeah, why i believe theres BS_1 servers so much? Because people believe that scripts give too much help to players who use them, and i can agree with that. They do help some players to a degree, but just because some of you have gone that point and you can gain a better result without them. It doesnt mean that they dont give any help at all (I believe that not one of you have even said that they would).
Bottomline, some scripts help your play, not all. BS_1 was a sad attempt to block scripts that help, only thing that the dev who ever "fixed" BS_1 didnt realise(or maybe the guy who told him to do that or what ever) that when doing so, he actually blocked more "usefull" methods of scripts than the abusive ones. Which in humble oppinion was a big mistake.
I kinda liked Swiftwires thought of making BS_1 only block use of +attack and +moveup in aliases(plus to _special ofcourse). Would definately be better than the current version we have.
Hum, wasnt that awful alot of information all of you already knew, bleh.
And who says the majority of NS players dislike scripts? I would like to see a poll proving this...
Boo friggin' hoo. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One reason among many.
Making scripting MORE accessible will let NEW players learn to play more easily. It just annoys the good players without any real impact on their kill-rate. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Their scripts will play for them.
Custom cross-hairs, though, especially the pin-point shotgun type? They should be classed right along with blanking the wall textures and getting rid/altering skulk teeth and muzzle flash. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
please bring this argument to the leagues i could use a good laugh
Custom cross-hairs, though, especially the pin-point shotgun type? They should be classed right along with blanking the wall textures and getting rid/altering skulk teeth and muzzle flash. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
please bring this argument to the leagues i could use a good laugh <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ya, it's not our fault the devs make a shotgun with a compleatly non random spray. The other crosshairs are all just small and non-ugly unlike the original ones which are the most rediculously obtrusive thing's I've ever seen.
Honestly dev's just go back to the 1.x crosshairs by default, they were MUCH more practical.
Giving <i>ignorant</i> admins a decision which infringes upon they playing style of a[ny] part of the game's player base is bad. It's not right to force people to either play in a similar fashion as all the others on the server or leave; if the developers wanted everyone to play the game in the exact same fashion, we'd have static configurations. But we don't. We have the choice to play the game in the fashion we want, except when it comes to bs_1 servers. And when the choice to set bs_ to 1 is made by people who don't understand the decision they're making, that's hardly fair.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This paragraph is contradictive...
<i>"It's not right to force people to either play in a similar fashion as all the others on the server or leave"</i>
You're not forced to play a certain way, you have the privledge of playing in several servers, mp_bs 0 or 1. The entire point of mp_bs is to give people freedom of choice, if there was no mp_bs, it's just forcing the people who don't want to play with scripters to do so.
<i>We have the choice to play the game in the fashion we want, except when it comes to bs_1 servers.</i>
No, that's just the point.. <b>you have the choice to play the game in the fashion you want</b>. If you want to play with scripts, play mp_bs 0, otherwise play mp_bs 1.
<i>And when the choice to set bs_ to 1 is made by people who don't understand the decision they're making, that's hardly fair.</i>
Nonetheless, the decision is theirs, as after all... <u>they are paying for the server</u>.
Many anti scipters are very ignorant about scripts. Ignorance lead to fear, fear leads to hate, and hate leads to the dark side (mp_bs 1). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The problem is that there are so few mp_bs 0 pubs. Finding a pub with:
mp_bs 0
less than 20 players
ns most of the time
no game-changing mods
less than 100 ping
...is impossible for me. I don't have the time nor energy to join a clan, so I pretty much have had to give up ns. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or, god forbid, you play without scripts? There are more mp_bs 1 servers because pub players like it more. "Natural Selection" at its finest (no pun intended).
Custom cross-hairs, though, especially the pin-point shotgun type? They should be classed right along with blanking the wall textures and getting rid/altering skulk teeth and muzzle flash. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
yes because custom crosshairs allow you to kill the alien without even really aiming at him.
youre exagerating, and you know it. stop. or if you dont know then get a grip
-Forlorn <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi,
I like to compare completely different genre's because it's cool and witty. Where NS adds lerk's primal scream, SC 2 adds soul charge, WTH SC 2 sucks.
Or, god forbid, you play without scripts? There are more mp_bs 1 servers because pub players like it more. "Natural Selection" at its finest (no pun intended). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I never play on an mp_blockscript server.
-Forlorn <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi,
I like to compare completely different genre's because it's cool and witty. Where NS adds lerk's primal scream, SC 2 adds soul charge, WTH SC 2 sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
what does genre matter. its the difference in attitudes that is being pointed out.
Funny.
All you pro mp_bs people say, "Play on mp_bs 0 servers if you want to use scripts!"
Too bad you don't realise I can't <i>because there are no decent mp_bs 0 pubs that I can enjoy playing on!</i>
Thanks for ruining a game I spent over a year playing with your blind ignorance.
Funny.
All you pro mp_bs people say, "Play on mp_bs 0 servers if you want to use scripts!"
Too bad you don't realise I can't <i>because there are no decent mp_bs 0 pubs that I can enjoy playing on!</i>
Thanks for ruining a game I spent over a year playing with your blind ignorance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Host a server then, or convince a clan or server host to put one up.
-Forlorn <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi,
I like to compare completely different genre's because it's cool and witty. Where NS adds lerk's primal scream, SC 2 adds soul charge, WTH SC 2 sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what does genre matter. its the difference in attitudes that is being pointed out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The point is that attitude can be 100% different from genre from genre.
Nobodys forcing you, feel free to wait around for a good mp_bs 0 server. In the meantime, be sure to complain about blockscripts whenever possible on the forums.
So you're saying I should be forced to give up a game I truly enjoyed because I don't have the finances to run a server?
-Forlorn <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi,
I like to compare completely different genre's because it's cool and witty. Where NS adds lerk's primal scream, SC 2 adds soul charge, WTH SC 2 sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what does genre matter. its the difference in attitudes that is being pointed out. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
An attitude that came after the implementation of the cvar, not before.
Keep this thread going please, its a barrel of laughs, but less of the "buy your own server kthx" Thats an extrememly weak argument.
So you're saying I should be forced to give up a game I truly enjoyed because I don't have the finances to run a server? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Look, NS servers are completely player hosted. There are several options (perhaps not all of them are available to everyone).
- Play a server that caters to your playstyle.
- Convince a clan to host a public server.
- Get a group of friends to host a server.
- Pitch in to a player community hosts a server, by buying a reserve slot, etc.
- Wait around for one to become available, or in the meantime play one that's not exactly your favorite playstyle.
The exact same caveat applies to servers with ghost bots, custom CO servers, and custom map servers. It's pretty hard nowadays to find a co map without extra levels and all kinds of other crazy crap, but thats just because more players seem to like it. Instead of complaining about those mods on the forums, I look for a server that doesn't run them, or I wait until a vanilla co server is around, or I play ns... I'm sorry if your playstyle is not the most popular one, but I don't know what to tell you beside act.
-Forlorn <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi,
I like to compare completely different genre's because it's cool and witty. Where NS adds lerk's primal scream, SC 2 adds soul charge, WTH SC 2 sucks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
what does genre matter. its the difference in attitudes that is being pointed out. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
An attitude that came after the implementation of the cvar, not before.
Keep this thread going please, its a barrel of laughs, but less of the "buy your own server kthx" Thats an extrememly weak argument. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Here's a better one then:
Where Honda releases the Insight, Hummer releases the H2.
Both are valid concepts, and both have large followings. Whose to say which is right and which is wrong? That same comment applies to the WoW/NS comment.
Funny.
All you pro mp_bs people say, "Play on mp_bs 0 servers if you want to use scripts!"
Too bad you don't realise I can't <i>because there are no decent mp_bs 0 pubs that I can enjoy playing on!</i>
Thanks for ruining a game I spent over a year playing with your blind ignorance. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ahh.. poor baby.. if you feel so strongly about it.. then put your money where your mouth is.
So you're saying I should be forced to give up a game I truly enjoyed because I don't have the finances to run a server? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Look, NS servers are completely player hosted. There are several options (perhaps not all of them are available to everyone).
- Play a server that caters to your playstyle.
- Convince a clan to host a public server.
- Get a group of friends to host a server.
- Pitch in to a player community hosts a server, by buying a reserve slot, etc.
- Wait around for one to become available, or in the meantime play one that's not exactly your favorite playstyle.
The exact same caveat applies to servers with ghost bots, custom CO servers, and custom map servers. It's pretty hard nowadays to find a co map without extra levels and all kinds of other crazy crap, but thats just because more players seem to like it. Instead of complaining about those mods on the forums, I look for a server that doesn't run them, or I wait until a vanilla co server is around, or I play ns... I'm sorry if your playstyle is not the most popular one, but I don't know what to tell you beside act. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well Said Ravatar...
- Play a server that caters to your playstyle.
- Convince a clan to host a public server.
- Get a group of friends to host a server.
- Pitch in to a player community hosts a server, by buying a reserve slot, etc.
- Wait around for one to become available, or in the meantime play one that's not exactly your favorite playstyle.
The exact same caveat applies to servers with ghost bots, custom CO servers, and custom map servers. It's pretty hard nowadays to find a co map without extra levels and all kinds of other crazy crap, but thats just because more players seem to like it. Instead of complaining about those mods on the forums, I look for a server that doesn't run them, or I wait until a vanilla co server is around, or I play ns... I'm sorry if your playstyle is not the most popular one, but I don't know what to tell you beside act.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1) Is something I tried for several months. Couldn't find any.
2) Is something that is highly unlikely at best; most clans only have one private server, and I have no connection to any clans that would give me an even chance of convincing the ops to open their server.
3) Already tried that, didn't work out.
4) See number 1
5) Done - namely, I've moved to the mod Ghost Ops and BF2. I still hold out some hope for NS in the future, but as it is now it is simply impossible for me to enjoy a game.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ahh.. poor baby.. if you feel so strongly about it.. then put your money where your mouth is.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->Why don't you go troll somewhere else, ok?
So you're saying I should be forced to give up a game I truly enjoyed because I don't have the finances to run a server? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Look, NS servers are completely player hosted. There are several options (perhaps not all of them are available to everyone).
- Play a server that caters to your playstyle.
- Convince a clan to host a public server.
- Get a group of friends to host a server.
- Pitch in to a player community hosts a server, by buying a reserve slot, etc.
- Wait around for one to become available, or in the meantime play one that's not exactly your favorite playstyle.
The exact same caveat applies to servers with ghost bots, custom CO servers, and custom map servers. It's pretty hard nowadays to find a co map without extra levels and all kinds of other crazy crap, but thats just because more players seem to like it. Instead of complaining about those mods on the forums, I look for a server that doesn't run them, or I wait until a vanilla co server is around, or I play ns... I'm sorry if your playstyle is not the most popular one, but I don't know what to tell you beside act. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well Said Ravatar... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
CLAN?
<b>get on #findnsscrim pal</b>
Nobodys forcing you, feel free to wait around for a good mp_bs 0 server. In the meantime, be sure to complain about blockscripts whenever possible on the forums. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
ROFL
Nobodys forcing you, too bad that entire argument is refuted by the fact that cvar exists , since it inherently forces us to play with slower crappier less efficent controls.
Giving <i>ignorant</i> admins a decision which infringes upon they playing style of a[ny] part of the game's player base is bad. It's not right to force people to either play in a similar fashion as all the others on the server or leave; if the developers wanted everyone to play the game in the exact same fashion, we'd have static configurations. But we don't. We have the choice to play the game in the fashion we want, except when it comes to bs_1 servers. And when the choice to set bs_ to 1 is made by people who don't understand the decision they're making, that's hardly fair.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This paragraph is contradictive...
<i>"It's not right to force people to either play in a similar fashion as all the others on the server or leave"</i>
You're not forced to play a certain way, you have the privledge of playing in several servers, mp_bs 0 or 1. The entire point of mp_bs is to give people freedom of choice, if there was no mp_bs, it's just forcing the people who don't want to play with scripters to do so.
<i>We have the choice to play the game in the fashion we want, except when it comes to bs_1 servers.</i>
No, that's just the point.. <b>you have the choice to play the game in the fashion you want</b>. If you want to play with scripts, play mp_bs 0, otherwise play mp_bs 1.
<i>And when the choice to set bs_ to 1 is made by people who don't understand the decision they're making, that's hardly fair.</i>
Nonetheless, the decision is theirs, as after all... <u>they are paying for the server</u>.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You completely missed the point I was trying to make. Why should you <i>have</i> to play on a bs_0 server just to use scripts, a utility open and avaliable to every player? Why is it an imperative to split a player-base over an option everybody has equal-access to? It makes no sense.
I can certainly understand a server operator sincerely wanting to enable bs_1 and going about it in a fair, thought-out, and un-biased, but there's two things wrong. One; as much as we'd like to humor ourselves, we can't figure out what's going on in people's heads. Two; the subject of scripts is...well, subject...to a lot of hearsay and biased attitudes, making it even more impossible to tell whether or not the decision to enable blockscripts was made fairly.
I'll repeat that: <b>because the decision to enable blockscripts was made unfairly, you shouldn't be able to play in the fashion you desire on that server? No. Even worse, you say that anyone that wants to use scripts should only seek servers that cater to them? NO.</b> Why are we dividing ourselves trying to cater to each half? Why should you be forced to abstain from a server, and thus, the community therein, because the operator and you don't see eye-to-eye?
Oh, wait, that's right, because he's paying for the server. The All-mighty Dollar. Well, guess what? Contrary to poular belief, money does not buy you rights. So, you rent or buy a server; yippidy-doo. That doesn't mean much. Infact, more or less, it means <i>responsibility</i>, and <i>integrity;</i> you're held responsible for maintaining the community therein in a fair and just manner. Money doesn't give you the right to operate a server in whatever haphazard fashion you desire.
...Alright, so it does, in this case. Still, why should it? I payed to play Half-Life and, thus, Natural Selection. Just because somebody else payed more than I did, they have more rights and privelages than I do?
That's <i>exactly</i> how it works, and that's what's wrong with blockscripts. Nothing should give you the right to alienate players simply because of how they play the game, outside of banning players that act innapropriately or cheat/exploit. <i>But scripts aren't as a whole innapropriate, exploitive, or a form of cheating.</i> So, why do we have blockscripts again?