<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+Jun 25 2005, 01:46 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Jun 25 2005, 01:46 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> These people are either:
A.) Staying in the server completely ignoring/not knowing Classic exists. When a friend comes by and asks how this HL modification called NS is... this person will only know of combat and it's plugins. "Team Deathmatch with aliens" is that how you want people new to NS be introduced to it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And, if you consider this a problem, where does the fault lie?
Is it combats fault for providing a fun game mode, or Classics fault because it cannot keep the attention of the average player? If that person only wants to know of combat and it's plugins, who cares? Let them. This only proves my point that Combat isn't killing Classic at all because Combat players only play on Combat servers - and ignore Classic.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->B.) Going into classic... refusing to learn... and then continuing to play combat.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If someone has to spend the time to sit around and learn "oh - when that moron on the mic screams at me to head to PSJ that means I go here" then why play it? I can go play games out there where functioning as a team is fun. Why settle for Classic?
You need to stop blaming the flaws in Classic's game play design on Combat.
Just because the devs gave the community something fun to play while they destroy Classic doesn't mean Combat is killing Classic - it's probably Classic's fault.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also I'm surprised you completely ignore the fact that NS and combat are forced to share the same skills and abilities. <b>SACRIFICES</b> HAVE BEEN MADE TO ACCOMIDATE COMBAT. You have no troubles with this?!?!??<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1) No I don’t have 'troubles' with this and 2) you're wrong - the devs of NS have said that they put Classic changes before Combat.
because all you guys care about is your k:d ratio and not working as a team to complete an objective.
co should be destroyed.
funtioning as a team on co? WTH run shoot kill, attack hive or run kill and kill cc. instead of lock down this kill the hive cap rt's proceed in a ha train to this wp. how the hell can co be more fun. oh yeah most of co players came from cs no wonder ftl
Actually a lot of the people that play combat dont even know what classic is because most of the servers are on combat and when they join a classic they dont know what is going on and leave.
Also people arent saying that combat is the reason people are leaving, they are saying its the reason that the playablity for those that have not left is getting horrible. Pubbing is a joke now.
<!--QuoteBegin-N1Rampage+Jun 23 2005, 09:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N1Rampage @ Jun 23 2005, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NGE+Jun 23 2005, 06:47 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NGE @ Jun 23 2005, 06:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You should really learn your definitions.
The media today have construted the word liberal into something 100% differnt than it's academia term.
Liberal is not the oppisite of conservative.
Liberal is oppisite of socialist, and conservative is oppisite of radical.
Liberalism is belief in liberty, man being able to make themselves, a society based on merit and what they earn to be theirs. Liberalism also means a strong support of capitalism. Today's so called liberals in the united states (Note, liberals in every other part of the word, from Europe to Australia are more fit to the true definition of liberalism) are anything BUT liberal, believing in socialist policies being nessesary to fix parts of society. True liberals are minimum taxation, maximum property rights, and social programs would never exist.
A conservative is one who believes in slow, gradual change, whereas a radical belives in abrupt change. Example: (Leaders of American revolution who founded the constitution = radical liberals. Lenin his russian revolution followers were radical socialists, also known as communists.) Today's democrats in america are actually conservative socialists and conservative liberals. Republicans would fall under radical (though nothing too radical) liberals, and conservative liberals.
This is basic knowledge. However, most Americans do not know this. (Myself included untill not too long ago) But like I originally said on my first post in this thread,
"Just being an ideology nazi" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What the hell? Liberal in terms of <i>politics</i> IS WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
1. I don't think you are from the U.S.
2. I think you got liberalism and libratarianism mixed up.
3. I don't think you've ever read anything, see voting paterns, know who did what on different subjects, and so on and so forth.
4. PLEASE tell me where you got your facts from, because you need to un-bookmark that site or explore more into the subject matter.
5. I know for a fact that I have WAY more experience in the matter, after 6 years of Youth & Government, studying political sciences, taking trips to the Capital and State Capital and speaking to various people, working with campaigns, and going to minor in the subject. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> 1. I'm from the US
2. I did not mix them up, how can you say this when you don't even know what liberalism is?
3. Sure, I've read enough;a little of john locke, federalist papers, the constitution, enough to know what liberalism is, and enough to know what socialism is.
4. John Locke's Tretse on Civil Government,Federalist Papers, Communist Mannifesto, Wealth of Nations, Estanged Labor, and Value, Price, and Profit. For starters.
5. Pretty sad a student can go six years through political science courses and never take on basic government philosophy.
yes, especially since people living in USA soil will never truly grasp the down & dirty, real-life & practical aspects of world politics and society, being denied the mental and ideological freedom to consider different viewpoints from their "perfect society"...
oops... sorry... it all "just popped in there"... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And, if you consider this a problem, where does the fault lie?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're kidding right? Potential players hear nothing of the RTS/FPS hybrid the game was originally devloped to be. If they wanted team deathmatch there are much better games they'd probubly go play instead of checking out something new.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Is it combats fault for providing a fun game mode, or Classics fault because it cannot keep the attention of the average player? If that person only wants to know of combat and it's plugins, who cares? Let them. This only proves my point that Combat isn't killing Classic at all because Combat players only play on Combat servers - and ignore Classic.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I myself feel NS needs new blood injected into it... but what plays on those servers is pure poison.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If someone has to spend the time to sit around and learn "oh - when that moron on the mic screams at me to head to PSJ that means I go here" then why play it? I can go play games out there where functioning as a team is fun. Why settle for Classic?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're one of <b><i>THEM</i></b> aren't you?
- You are not patient - You think someone who knows more about the big picture on the battlefield is a moron, and probubly won't listen to him - You'd rather be playing combat - You think you are better then others -> "Continue on ladies."
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You need to stop blaming the flaws in Classic's game play design on Combat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Classic has nothing to do with this, its all about what combat is evolving into and what players it is bringing into the community.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1) No I don’t have 'troubles' with this and 2) you're wrong - the devs of NS have said that they put Classic changes before Combat.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go to the Ideas and suggestion forum and suggest something that doesn't involve resources or buildings. Combat will be mentioned. Its holding back changes that could help classic.
<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+Jun 25 2005, 05:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan @ Jun 25 2005, 05:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You're kidding right? Potential players hear nothing of the RTS/FPS hybrid the game was originally devloped to be. If they wanted team deathmatch there are much better games they'd probubly go play instead of checking out something new. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> You need to ease up on the melodrama and the whole doomsday theories there, ace. If someone who is interested in FPS / RTS joins a combat server, plays a little, then all of a sudden the map changes to Classic they will learn, they will stick around, because they want to. You are foolish to think that all new players want to learn Classic - or even hear about it - because as of now Classic pretty much sucks. As I've said before, the fault is with Classic not with Combat or anyone who plays either of the games.
<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I myself feel NS needs new blood injected into it... but what plays on those servers is pure poison.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not sure what you're trying to say there, seeing how hardly any Classic servers run plugins...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're one of <b><i>THEM</i></b> aren't you?
- You are not patient - You think someone who knows more about the big picture on the battlefield is a moron, and probubly won't listen to him - You'd rather be playing combat - You think you are better then others -> "Continue on ladies."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Remind me why I want to spend my free time being patient in a video game. I can't seem to think of a reason. And I find irony in your "You think you are better then others" quote as you're no doubt one of the "I play Classic so now I'm so much better than combat players and cs tards lolol ponce!"
And yes, I'd rather play Combat over Classic. I guess you're just not getting what I'm trying to say....
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Go to the Ideas and suggestion forum and suggest something that doesn't involve resources or buildings. Combat will be mentioned. Its holding back changes that could help classic. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, because we all know random forums members throwing around their theory craft is what the devs listen to. And just think, all of those changes would have made it in if Combat was never 'mentioned!' It's not like a developer as reworked the entire I&S forums and watches over it nonstop....
oh wait...
Bottom line: You cannot see that people will play whatever is fun. Classic is no longer fun, and Combat is. Until changes are made to Classic this will continue. I look forward to all of your nonstop complaining, I'm sure you'll all make great wives someday.
CO is killing Ns as a game? No its not. Dont blame the devs. Dont blame plugin makers. Plugins are fun, but can be destructive. I played on some 50 lvl servers. it was fun for 4 days. Im back to co/ns. Talking about k:d ratio? its really not a prob to have it high on ns maps. Thats very true on pubs. Why? A good fade, skulk or leark can get massive kills. And its possible only because one thing. Lack of exp. comms. So everyone goes for co where most of thing you can control. You CAN find good comms on some servers, usualy playing with regs, and i dont know a comm who tries to play on a pub with new players. (tried that nothing from "please go to" to "omg wth go to wp" mic spammming doesnt work on some newbies. And nothing liek hearing "SUYF" on the mic from a 12yr old, and getting "comm sg... comm sg...." every other minute Thats true that ns loses players to other games. but imho these who are worth to stay come back after some time. You dont like Co? Dont play it. You like Ns? play it. Dont like the plugins? Make your own plugin-free server, or find another one. Deleting all co maps from ns wont do anygood. On the contrary, if you will destroy co there is a lesser chance that a newb will join the ranks of proper Ns Players. Even if there would be only Ns, a newb after playing on game with another newbie comm wont come back :/ And a bunch of /menu ppl are just funny. I thank god they are leaving. Why? He prolly cany play anyway.
p.s. my longest post ever i think <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I agree with other games stealing players, sure you can play NS until your eyes bleed... but then...
And people for gods sake lave out the CO and NS bashing out, its gotten stale and old, and is in need of a revamp and overhaull like NS, on the front page it says NS needs you (more artists, programmers, concept artists) Let's stop eating away NS from inside, and start laying a platform for the next generation of NS instead of dwelling on the flaws... In this case I can dwel on both CO's AND NS's imperfections...
CO- (CON) It's like counterstrike meeting Natural Selection, fast trigger happy action requiring no team work, been leeching away from NS (By claims)
(PRO) Requires great ammount of skill to be on the top, allows familirization of tactics otherwise not accepted by the public, Trains up "NoObS" To atleast aim/bite properly
NS- (CON) The games are so long and drawn out especialy when the winning team is harrasing the other. A single skilled player can compleatly turn the tide and Annoy the opposite team to death. An occasional lack of competant commanders, self explanatory.
(PRO) Games can have a shift in winning depending on the right strategy. Team is forced to work together in order to win. Games can last over an hour and still produce great "Highlights".
Sorry for the long rant and those of you who will read through this, thankyou. All I want to say is those arguments have gotten old and do nothing, instead why not give constructive comments suggesting proper changes and "BLAM and take out CO" Isn't one of them...
<!--QuoteBegin-Shinzon+Jun 25 2005, 08:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shinzon @ Jun 25 2005, 08:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> NS- (CON) The games are so long and drawn out especialy when the winning team is harrasing the other. A single skilled player can compleatly turn the tide and Annoy the opposite team to death. An occasional lack of competant commanders, self explanatory.
(PRO) Games can have a shift in winning depending on the right strategy. Team is forced to work together in order to win. Games can last over an hour and still produce great "Highlights".
Sorry for the long rant and those of you who will read through this, thankyou. All I want to say is those arguments have gotten old and do nothing, instead why not give constructive comments suggesting proper changes and "BLAM and take out CO" Isn't one of them... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Innacurate(dont want to sound like a smart ****) games average 20-30 minutes. once you mess up most of the time yor teams screwed. 1.04 ftw.
How about we just stop arguing, and <b>if</b> the day comes when Classic dies, then we can all just say, "I told you so," and download an older version of NS.
If a player joins a combat server then classic and supposedly gets confused and leaves, wouldnt the simple plugins and variance between the combat servers also cause them to leave?
Just thought I'd add a bit of crappy nonesense that seems to be driving some ladies here.
Quit blaming and promote Classic in a positive way.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That would be real nice... could stop posting wars ^_^
(The games COULD last up to an hour... but they are rare. But one thing is sure, a typical NS game should be longer then a CO one...) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah it should be, but doesnt happen that often <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Bring back perma gorge <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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A.) Staying in the server completely ignoring/not knowing Classic exists. When a friend comes by and asks how this HL modification called NS is... this person will only know of combat and it's plugins. "Team Deathmatch with aliens" is that how you want people new to NS be introduced to it? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And, if you consider this a problem, where does the fault lie?
Is it combats fault for providing a fun game mode, or Classics fault because it cannot keep the attention of the average player? If that person only wants to know of combat and it's plugins, who cares? Let them. This only proves my point that Combat isn't killing Classic at all because Combat players only play on Combat servers - and ignore Classic.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->B.) Going into classic... refusing to learn... and then continuing to play combat.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If someone has to spend the time to sit around and learn "oh - when that moron on the mic screams at me to head to PSJ that means I go here" then why play it? I can go play games out there where functioning as a team is fun. Why settle for Classic?
You need to stop blaming the flaws in Classic's game play design on Combat.
Just because the devs gave the community something fun to play while they destroy Classic doesn't mean Combat is killing Classic - it's probably Classic's fault.
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Also I'm surprised you completely ignore the fact that NS and combat are forced to share the same skills and abilities. <b>SACRIFICES</b> HAVE BEEN MADE TO ACCOMIDATE COMBAT. You have no troubles with this?!?!??<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
1) No I don’t have 'troubles' with this and 2) you're wrong - the devs of NS have said that they put Classic changes before Combat.
Continue on ladies.
co should be destroyed.
funtioning as a team on co? WTH run shoot kill, attack hive or run kill and kill cc. instead of lock down this kill the hive cap rt's proceed in a ha train to this wp. how the hell can co be more fun. oh yeah most of co players came from cs no wonder ftl
Also people arent saying that combat is the reason people are leaving, they are saying its the reason that the playablity for those that have not left is getting horrible. Pubbing is a joke now.
The media today have construted the word liberal into something 100% differnt than it's academia term.
Liberal is not the oppisite of conservative.
Liberal is oppisite of socialist, and conservative is oppisite of radical.
Liberalism is belief in liberty, man being able to make themselves, a society based on merit and what they earn to be theirs. Liberalism also means a strong support of capitalism. Today's so called liberals in the united states (Note, liberals in every other part of the word, from Europe to Australia are more fit to the true definition of liberalism) are anything BUT liberal, believing in socialist policies being nessesary to fix parts of society. True liberals are minimum taxation, maximum property rights, and social programs would never exist.
A conservative is one who believes in slow, gradual change, whereas a radical belives in abrupt change. Example: (Leaders of American revolution who founded the constitution = radical liberals. Lenin his russian revolution followers were radical socialists, also known as communists.)
Today's democrats in america are actually conservative socialists and conservative liberals. Republicans would fall under radical (though nothing too radical) liberals, and conservative liberals.
This is basic knowledge. However, most Americans do not know this. (Myself included untill not too long ago) But like I originally said on my first post in this thread,
"Just being an ideology nazi" <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What the hell? Liberal in terms of <i>politics</i> IS WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED.
1. I don't think you are from the U.S.
2. I think you got liberalism and libratarianism mixed up.
3. I don't think you've ever read anything, see voting paterns, know who did what on different subjects, and so on and so forth.
4. PLEASE tell me where you got your facts from, because you need to un-bookmark that site or explore more into the subject matter.
5. I know for a fact that I have WAY more experience in the matter, after 6 years of Youth & Government, studying political sciences, taking trips to the Capital and State Capital and speaking to various people, working with campaigns, and going to minor in the subject. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
1. I'm from the US
2. I did not mix them up, how can you say this when you don't even know what liberalism is?
3. Sure, I've read enough;a little of john locke, federalist papers, the constitution, enough to know what liberalism is, and enough to know what socialism is.
4. John Locke's Tretse on Civil Government,Federalist Papers, Communist Mannifesto, Wealth of Nations, Estanged Labor, and Value, Price, and Profit. For starters.
5. Pretty sad a student can go six years through political science courses and never take on basic government philosophy.
oops... sorry... it all "just popped in there"... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You're kidding right? Potential players hear nothing of the RTS/FPS hybrid the game was originally devloped to be. If they wanted team deathmatch there are much better games they'd probubly go play instead of checking out something new.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Is it combats fault for providing a fun game mode, or Classics fault because it cannot keep the attention of the average player? If that person only wants to know of combat and it's plugins, who cares? Let them. This only proves my point that Combat isn't killing Classic at all because Combat players only play on Combat servers - and ignore Classic.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I myself feel NS needs new blood injected into it... but what plays on those servers is pure poison.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If someone has to spend the time to sit around and learn "oh - when that moron on the mic screams at me to head to PSJ that means I go here" then why play it? I can go play games out there where functioning as a team is fun. Why settle for Classic?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You're one of <b><i>THEM</i></b> aren't you?
- You are not patient
- You think someone who knows more about the big picture on the battlefield is a moron, and probubly won't listen to him
- You'd rather be playing combat
- You think you are better then others -> "Continue on ladies."
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You need to stop blaming the flaws in Classic's game play design on Combat. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Classic has nothing to do with this, its all about what combat is evolving into and what players it is bringing into the community.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1) No I don’t have 'troubles' with this and 2) you're wrong - the devs of NS have said that they put Classic changes before Combat.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go to the Ideas and suggestion forum and suggest something that doesn't involve resources or buildings. Combat will be mentioned. Its holding back changes that could help classic.
You need to ease up on the melodrama and the whole doomsday theories there, ace. If someone who is interested in FPS / RTS joins a combat server, plays a little, then all of a sudden the map changes to Classic they will learn, they will stick around, because they want to. You are foolish to think that all new players want to learn Classic - or even hear about it - because as of now Classic pretty much sucks. As I've said before, the fault is with Classic not with Combat or anyone who plays either of the games.
<!--QuoteBegin-Trevelyan+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Trevelyan)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I myself feel NS needs new blood injected into it... but what plays on those servers is pure poison.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not sure what you're trying to say there, seeing how hardly any Classic servers run plugins...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're one of <b><i>THEM</i></b> aren't you?
- You are not patient
- You think someone who knows more about the big picture on the battlefield is a moron, and probubly won't listen to him
- You'd rather be playing combat
- You think you are better then others -> "Continue on ladies."<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Remind me why I want to spend my free time being patient in a video game. I can't seem to think of a reason. And I find irony in your "You think you are better then others" quote as you're no doubt one of the "I play Classic so now I'm so much better than combat players and cs tards lolol ponce!"
And yes, I'd rather play Combat over Classic. I guess you're just not getting what I'm trying to say....
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Yes, because we all know random forums members throwing around their theory craft is what the devs listen to. And just think, all of those changes would have made it in if Combat was never 'mentioned!' It's not like a developer as reworked the entire I&S forums and watches over it nonstop....
oh wait...
Bottom line: You cannot see that people will play whatever is fun. Classic is no longer fun, and Combat is. Until changes are made to Classic this will continue. I look forward to all of your nonstop complaining, I'm sure you'll all make great wives someday.
Plugins are fun, but can be destructive. I played on some 50 lvl servers. it was fun for 4 days. Im back to co/ns.
Talking about k:d ratio? its really not a prob to have it high on ns maps. Thats very true on pubs. Why? A good fade, skulk or leark can get massive kills. And its possible only because one thing. Lack of exp. comms. So everyone goes for co where most of thing you can control. You CAN find good comms on some servers, usualy playing with regs, and i dont know a comm who tries to play on a pub with new players. (tried that nothing from "please go to" to "omg wth go to wp" mic spammming doesnt work on some newbies. And nothing liek hearing "SUYF" on the mic from a 12yr old, and getting "comm sg... comm sg...." every other minute
Thats true that ns loses players to other games. but imho these who are worth to stay come back after some time. You dont like Co? Dont play it. You like Ns? play it. Dont like the plugins? Make your own plugin-free server, or find another one. Deleting all co maps from ns wont do anygood. On the contrary, if you will destroy co there is a lesser chance that a newb will join the ranks of proper Ns Players. Even if there would be only Ns, a newb after playing on game with another newbie comm wont come back :/
And a bunch of /menu ppl are just funny. I thank god they are leaving. Why? He prolly cany play anyway.
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And people for gods sake lave out the CO and NS bashing out, its gotten stale and old, and is in need of a revamp and overhaull like NS, on the front page it says NS needs you (more artists, programmers, concept artists) Let's stop eating away NS from inside, and start laying a platform for the next generation of NS instead of dwelling on the flaws... In this case I can dwel on both CO's AND NS's imperfections...
CO- (CON) It's like counterstrike meeting Natural Selection, fast trigger happy action requiring no team work, been leeching away from NS (By claims)
(PRO) Requires great ammount of skill to be on the top, allows familirization of tactics otherwise not accepted by the public, Trains up "NoObS" To atleast aim/bite properly
NS- (CON) The games are so long and drawn out especialy when the winning team is harrasing the other. A single skilled player can compleatly turn the tide and Annoy the opposite team to death. An occasional lack of competant commanders, self explanatory.
(PRO) Games can have a shift in winning depending on the right strategy. Team is forced to work together in order to win. Games can last over an hour and still produce great "Highlights".
Sorry for the long rant and those of you who will read through this, thankyou. All I want to say is those arguments have gotten old and do nothing, instead why not give constructive comments suggesting proper changes and "BLAM and take out CO" Isn't one of them...
NS- (CON) The games are so long and drawn out especialy when the winning team is harrasing the other. A single skilled player can compleatly turn the tide and Annoy the opposite team to death. An occasional lack of competant commanders, self explanatory.
(PRO) Games can have a shift in winning depending on the right strategy. Team is forced to work together in order to win. Games can last over an hour and still produce great "Highlights".
Sorry for the long rant and those of you who will read through this, thankyou. All I want to say is those arguments have gotten old and do nothing, instead why not give constructive comments suggesting proper changes and "BLAM and take out CO" Isn't one of them... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Innacurate(dont want to sound like a smart ****) games average 20-30 minutes. once you mess up most of the time yor teams screwed. 1.04 ftw.
(The games COULD last up to an hour... but they are rare. But one thing is sure, a typical NS game should be longer then a CO one...)
If a player joins a combat server then classic and supposedly gets confused and leaves, wouldnt the simple plugins and variance between the combat servers also cause them to leave?
Just thought I'd add a bit of crappy nonesense that seems to be driving some ladies here.
Quit blaming and promote Classic in a positive way.
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(The games COULD last up to an hour... but they are rare. But one thing is sure, a typical NS game should be longer then a CO one...)
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Yeah it should be, but doesnt happen that often <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> Bring back perma gorge <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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