<!--QuoteBegin-hawthorne+Apr 26 2005, 10:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (hawthorne @ Apr 26 2005, 10:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Fangs+Apr 26 2005, 03:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fangs @ Apr 26 2005, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm not an NS hater but if you have been here from November 2002 then you would know that its getting harder and harder to find NS classic games. Sure there are many "NS" players online even these numbers have been slideing, but most of these players are playing CO. And CO isnt NS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> NS Classic = www.caleague.com
Otherwise, yes, public Classic is near dead. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Meh, I never have problems finding a good classic game. Then again, I never have problems finding a decent combat game either.
In all the time I've been playing, I've never had trouble to find a good NS game server.
Talking about inflated number, fangs, where are YOUR proof that every server of NS_maps is bot populated ? I don't see it, and frankly, I've never seen a server with bots in it. If you want us to believe what you alone say, go and take screenshots of the bot populated servers. And then come and tell us that's the majority of NS maps.
im gonna have to agree with hawthorne. the ns clan scene is on the rise right now. CAL is seeing a huge surge in new clans. the european scene is pretty much dead, and thats sending more players over our way.
check my source here: <a href='http://esports.ampednews.com/?page=articles&id=4637' target='_blank'>http://esports.ampednews.com/?page=articles&id=4637</a>
i dont exactly see blockscripts as the end-all for NS. Ive never used scripts in ANY game, and they're still the same game to me. I can get a decent bhop going just jamming spacebar, so I dont see that scripts are complerely necissairy, though im sure they're nice. And being that the CAL settings have blockscripts on, im pretty confident its still NS.
And there may not be as many servers as in the 'good old days' but thats not what im saying, i'm saying no one can say NS as a mod is dead, because there is a server at least I can join at any time of day to play a good game of classic or combat, including one without mods and plugins or with all the extras, so it cant possibly be dead. I can understand arguements saying its smaller than it used to be, that makes sense, but to say the community, game, or other related parts of it is dead is downright false.
1000+ players, 400+ servers, 100+ good active servers, at almost all times = NOT dead mod.
GrendelAll that is fear...Join Date: 2002-07-19Member: 970Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, NS2 Playtester
<!--QuoteBegin-Fangs+Apr 26 2005, 09:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fangs @ Apr 26 2005, 09:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you cant get a game at any hour of the day with a decent ping (less the 100) then the game is dead, that is the stick by which I choose to mesure.
100 ping is a 1/10th of a second delay for people who are new to the concept. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This would be a modern take on the word "dead". I remember when we couldn't be quite so fussy.
<!--QuoteBegin-tanathos+Apr 27 2005, 05:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (tanathos @ Apr 27 2005, 05:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I don't see it, and frankly, I've never seen a server with bots in it. If you want us to believe what you alone say, go and take screenshots of the bot populated servers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> *blinks*
Ok, so first, you've never seen a NS server with bots? Try looking at almost any server <b>not in your favorites list</b>.
Secondly, you want Fangs to take a screenshot of every server that has Bots on it? Isn't that fairly unreasonable?
Just to say, i have 2 servers in my favorites and ive only seen 1 bot on 1 server, ever. So its understandable.
I don't really think this is that suprising, i just think it shows that there aren't quite as many bot servers as some on the forums would make it seem.
<a href='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/DaJMasta/Servers.jpg' target='_blank'>Click for his pic link</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And what, 15 or so of those servers are NS? :\
That's hardly prooving a point. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> And most of those servers are blockscripts too so they don't really count as ns. At the moment I see about 10 real servers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What Zavaro said. NS isn't NS without scripts? Sounds like you're getting a bit picky.
ns is only ns without scripts, its about skill and tactics. But sadly that makes even less servers. Off that list about 5 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->((((
<!--QuoteBegin-DaJMasta+Apr 27 2005, 09:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DaJMasta @ Apr 27 2005, 09:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> And being that the CAL settings have <b>blockscripts on</b>, im pretty confident its still NS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Erm.....You can use scripts in cal. Blockscripts=0 in cal.cfg
Most cal player I know use scripts, but can play with out them if they realy want to. Its kinda like....Ice cream is great with hotfudge...but you can get by without the hotfudge..(hotfudge=scripts)
So personaly, I choose the hotfudge over regular anyday. Its not a bad thing (although some people would argue other wise)
But franlky, lets not turn this into a BS 1 or 0 thread...
@Pithlit Thats a little more than half the servers i included in the 62, all of em wont fit on that page. And quite a few of the CO servers votemap, so if you catch a small one switch it to classic and let the people flow in.
<!--QuoteBegin-Pithlit+Apr 27 2005, 02:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pithlit @ Apr 27 2005, 02:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ns is only ns without scripts, its about skill and tactics. But sadly that makes even less servers. Off that list about 5 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->(((( <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Building off of what Gecko said, scripts aren't NS. If you use scripts, great, if you don't, great. But to say that strictly scripting/non-scripting servers are "true" Classic servers is quite frankly a whole lotta <insert any curse meaning 'nonsense'>
<!--QuoteBegin-Sky+Apr 27 2005, 08:31 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sky @ Apr 27 2005, 08:31 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Building off of what Gecko said, scripts aren't NS. If you use scripts, great, if you don't, great. But to say that strictly scripting/non-scripting servers are "true" Classic servers is quite frankly a whole lotta <insert any curse meaning 'nonsense'> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sky's right. I personally script and avoid servers that have mp_blockscripts on, but as long as the server is playing an official NS map they're playing NS in my book.
Even if the gameplay on that server has just devolved into Gorge Rodeo. (Or perhaps it has evolved? Hmmm...)
<!--QuoteBegin-Fangs+Apr 26 2005, 03:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fangs @ Apr 26 2005, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Not to start anything (i don't want no trouble sirs) but NS is far from dead, check the steampowered.com statistics, it is the most played online 3rd party mod of ANY steam game, with the specialists in a distant second (1/4th of the players).<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And what might be your point of reference Mr. 10-January 05 join date?
I'm not an NS hater but if you have been here from November 2002 then you would know that its getting harder and harder to find NS classic games. Sure there are many "NS" players online even these numbers have been slideing, but most of these players are playing CO. And CO isnt NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'm not the biggest combat fan myself, Fangs, but I dont hate the mode either. Its fun to jump into the game for five or eight minutes, then leave to a classic server. But by all means, the game is hardly "dying" because of CO. Theres two game modes now, not just one, and they'll both be constantly active and the numbers of servers up for each will sway back and forth.
...but I do wish they'd move it to another game entirely. I dont enjoy the balancing for CO and NS the same. It puts too heavy up a burden on an already tough situation.
im all for classic but have nothing agains combat, does that mean i can be a spy?? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
im all for classic but have nothing agains combat, does that mean i can be a spy?? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, that just means you actually play Natural Selection, regardless of what mode you play. Therefore, you made NS NOT dead. If it was dead, then no one would be playing the mod now.
If you guys think about it, the misconception of saying "OMG NS t3h dead! nubcaeks play co rofl gg!one" is just wrong. Saying combat "killed" NS is another misconception. Why are people still playing combat? Because they're still playing Natural Selection in general. The reason why the classic maps are lax is because most people are playing combat. And that's fine, but the thing is the reason why many people play CO is not because of how "hard" the classic side is, but because this mod is unique, blending strategy and first person shooters together.
I think that uniqueness of this mod was the heart all along. It's not dead. It bled in a few places, but it's not dead.
<!--QuoteBegin-Gecko God Of Dooom+Apr 27 2005, 11:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gecko God Of Dooom @ Apr 27 2005, 11:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Does that mean all the Classicers are with the south??? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No. Classic came first so CO would be the south. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit: /me hopes his memory of colonization history is correct.
Sorry, but the claim that most NS servers are artificially filled with bots is not true. I don't frequent any special server, i'm usually hopping an I can count the times I saw bots on a servery in the last 2 years on my both hands.
Sure, the majority of servers is on combat, but only those servers with lots of players on combat are those evil "CO-only" servers, so I avoid them. Join a game with 5 or so players on, play a little round of mindless killing and wait for players for some classic. Works perfectly. I never have to wait long to find a good game.
But of course, if all those pub gamers are below your excellence, it could become difficult ...
@ legat, thats what im seeing. Though i'd assume you could try to join a clan when pubbin aint good enough anymore.
@ Shadow Spark, I agree with you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> so y can't i be a spy....
@ Ahnteis, kinda argueable in american history, since Jamestown (Virginia) came first, but the north was technically the US and the south kindof spawned from it at the time of the civil war. Then again, lots of countries have civil wars, so im sure at least some country would have the north colonized first.
We should start a forum civil war in the RPG forum <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
...Cant really tell if thats a good or bad idea..... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
@ legat : um, do you server jump with your eyes closed? or are the bots too good that you cant tell them apart from real people? <a href='http://h3ostudios.com/skitch/files/botservers.jpg' target='_blank'>http://h3ostudios.com/skitch/files/botservers.jpg</a>
<!--QuoteBegin-Ahnteis+Apr 28 2005, 12:36 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ahnteis @ Apr 28 2005, 12:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Gecko God Of Dooom+Apr 27 2005, 11:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Gecko God Of Dooom @ Apr 27 2005, 11:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Does that mean all the Classicers are with the south??? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No. Classic came first so CO would be the south. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit: /me hopes his memory of colonization history is correct. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Actually lets forget the whole north south thing and go with east west. That way east can be classic, since the east coast was the first discovered, and west can be combat. I prefer that <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
i mean u could actually see 3000 people playing NS (not bs combat) at the same time.
and alot more clans.
now it's like bunch of idiots and combat players
200 playing NS... 600 playing combat..
NS LOST ITS FEELING. WAY TO GO COMBAT. instead of adding 3rd person reload animation, they added combat. <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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^^ How does blocking scripts not make it NS anymore? I can be a great fade without scripts.
NS Classic = www.caleague.com
Otherwise, yes, public Classic is near dead. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Meh, I never have problems finding a good classic game. Then again, I never have problems finding a decent combat game either.
Talking about inflated number, fangs, where are YOUR proof that every server of NS_maps is bot populated ? I don't see it, and frankly, I've never seen a server with bots in it. If you want us to believe what you alone say, go and take screenshots of the bot populated servers. And then come and tell us that's the majority of NS maps.
check my source here: <a href='http://esports.ampednews.com/?page=articles&id=4637' target='_blank'>http://esports.ampednews.com/?page=articles&id=4637</a>
and since there are still servers, it is not dead.
And there may not be as many servers as in the 'good old days' but thats not what im saying, i'm saying no one can say NS as a mod is dead, because there is a server at least I can join at any time of day to play a good game of classic or combat, including one without mods and plugins or with all the extras, so it cant possibly be dead. I can understand arguements saying its smaller than it used to be, that makes sense, but to say the community, game, or other related parts of it is dead is downright false.
1000+ players, 400+ servers, 100+ good active servers, at almost all times = NOT dead mod.
100 ping is a 1/10th of a second delay for people who are new to the concept. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
This would be a modern take on the word "dead". I remember when we couldn't be quite so fussy.
*blinks*
Ok, so first, you've never seen a NS server with bots? Try looking at almost any server <b>not in your favorites list</b>.
Secondly, you want Fangs to take a screenshot of every server that has Bots on it? Isn't that fairly unreasonable?
-Brackhar
I don't really think this is that suprising, i just think it shows that there aren't quite as many bot servers as some on the forums would make it seem.
I count 62 servers with under 100 ping, people currently playing, and no password.
<a href='http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/DaJMasta/Servers.jpg' target='_blank'>Click for his pic link</a> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And what, 15 or so of those servers are NS? :\
That's hardly prooving a point. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And most of those servers are blockscripts too so they don't really count as ns. At the moment I see about 10 real servers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What Zavaro said. NS isn't NS without scripts? Sounds like you're getting a bit picky.
But sadly that makes even less servers.
Off that list about 5 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->((((
Erm.....You can use scripts in cal. Blockscripts=0 in cal.cfg
Most cal player I know use scripts, but can play with out them if they realy want to.
Its kinda like....Ice cream is great with hotfudge...but you can get by without the hotfudge..(hotfudge=scripts)
So personaly, I choose the hotfudge over regular anyday. Its not a bad thing (although some people would argue other wise)
But franlky, lets not turn this into a BS 1 or 0 thread...
@Pithlit Thats a little more than half the servers i included in the 62, all of em wont fit on that page. And quite a few of the CO servers votemap, so if you catch a small one switch it to classic and let the people flow in.
But sadly that makes even less servers.
Off that list about 5 <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->(((( <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Building off of what Gecko said, scripts aren't NS. If you use scripts, great, if you don't, great. But to say that strictly scripting/non-scripting servers are "true" Classic servers is quite frankly a whole lotta <insert any curse meaning 'nonsense'>
Sky's right. I personally script and avoid servers that have mp_blockscripts on, but as long as the server is playing an official NS map they're playing NS in my book.
Even if the gameplay on that server has just devolved into Gorge Rodeo.
(Or perhaps it has evolved? Hmmm...)
-Brackhar
And what might be your point of reference Mr. 10-January 05 join date?
I'm not an NS hater but if you have been here from November 2002 then you would know that its getting harder and harder to find NS classic games. Sure there are many "NS" players online even these numbers have been slideing, but most of these players are playing CO. And CO isnt NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not the biggest combat fan myself, Fangs, but I dont hate the mode either. Its fun to jump into the game for five or eight minutes, then leave to a classic server. But by all means, the game is hardly "dying" because of CO. Theres two game modes now, not just one, and they'll both be constantly active and the numbers of servers up for each will sway back and forth.
...but I do wish they'd move it to another game entirely. I dont enjoy the balancing for CO and NS the same. It puts too heavy up a burden on an already tough situation.
im all for classic but have nothing agains combat, does that mean i can be a spy?? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
im all for classic but have nothing agains combat, does that mean i can be a spy?? <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, that just means you actually play Natural Selection, regardless of what mode you play. Therefore, you made NS NOT dead. If it was dead, then no one would be playing the mod now.
If you guys think about it, the misconception of saying "OMG NS t3h dead! nubcaeks play co rofl gg!one" is just wrong. Saying combat "killed" NS is another misconception. Why are people still playing combat? Because they're still playing Natural Selection in general. The reason why the classic maps are lax is because most people are playing combat. And that's fine, but the thing is the reason why many people play CO is not because of how "hard" the classic side is, but because this mod is unique, blending strategy and first person shooters together.
I think that uniqueness of this mod was the heart all along. It's not dead. It bled in a few places, but it's not dead.
No. Classic came first so CO would be the south. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit: /me hopes his memory of colonization history is correct.
<img src='http://img28.echo.cx/img28/8833/10ping1uc.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
I even get accused of rate hacking. I think it has something to do with my location being in london.
I don't frequent any special server, i'm usually hopping an I can count the times I saw bots on a servery in the last 2 years on my both hands.
Sure, the majority of servers is on combat, but only those servers with lots of players on combat are those evil "CO-only" servers, so I avoid them. Join a game with 5 or so players on, play a little round of mindless killing and wait for players for some classic. Works perfectly. I never have to wait long to find a good game.
But of course, if all those pub gamers are below your excellence, it could become difficult ...
@ Shadow Spark, I agree with you <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> so y can't i be a spy....
@ Ahnteis, kinda argueable in american history, since Jamestown (Virginia) came first, but the north was technically the US and the south kindof spawned from it at the time of the civil war. Then again, lots of countries have civil wars, so im sure at least some country would have the north colonized first.
We should start a forum civil war in the RPG forum <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
...Cant really tell if thats a good or bad idea..... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
i think i counted 26 servers running bots
More then two sides <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No. Classic came first so CO would be the south. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit: /me hopes his memory of colonization history is correct. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually lets forget the whole north south thing and go with east west. That way east can be classic, since the east coast was the first discovered, and west can be combat. I prefer that <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->.
i mean u could actually see 3000 people playing NS (not bs combat) at the same time.
and alot more clans.
now it's like bunch of idiots and combat players
200 playing NS... 600 playing combat..
NS LOST ITS FEELING. WAY TO GO COMBAT.
instead of adding 3rd person reload animation, they added combat.
<!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->