Ns_shiva Public Betatest.

moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva.Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
edited April 2005 in NS General Discussion
I need feedback. Lots of it.
Marik gave me the go ahead to post this in General.

I just released a fourth beta of ns_shiva, and I'm looking to get some significant feedback on it. I've set up a server on my primary box. Look for "ns_shiva test server" or you can find it at 128.2.160.37:27015

Be forewarned, I've never run a hl server before, and sometime in the next 24 hours I'm going to have to do my computer music homework which eats up a lot of cpu, so it may be rocky. However, my university connection here rocks, so ping times should be decent.

Update: server is currenlty down, but the map still needs playtesting, particularly the new version. If anyone has it on their server, I'd love to hear about it.

Download:ns_shiva beta 4 and unzip to your ns directory.

Here are some screens to whet your appetite. More can be found in my sig.
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Thanks in advance for any help you can give me in getting this map polished! I hope to see you on!
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  • DragonMechDragonMech Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Posts: 6,778 Fully active user
    edited March 2005
    A note to everyone reading this:

    Download. This. Map. Now.


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    Have a nice day. biggrin-fix.gif
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    I see custom titles. <_< >_>

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  • MrMojoMrMojo Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Posts: 3,948
    Post on the CAL NS forums. You'll get good feedback.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    QUOTE (MrMojo @ Mar 15 2005, 09:42 PM)
    Post on the CAL NS forums. You'll get good feedback.

    Good idea. Thanks.
  • ssjyodassjyoda Members, Squad Five Blue Join Date: 2002-03-05 Member: 274Posts: 877 Fully active user
    this is deff an awsome map.
  • XenoXeno Members Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2343Posts: 240
    i'll play some. but that shiva sign just cheapens the map for me..........
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    QUOTE (Xeno @ Mar 15 2005, 09:57 PM)
    i'll play some. but that shiva sign just cheapens the map for me..........

    Is there anything specifically about it? Just not like the look of it? Used to often?
  • ZekZek Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Posts: 4,690 Advanced user
    It seems a little atmosphere-breaking for a gritty sci-fi setting. Maybe if it wasn't as colorful?
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Members Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Posts: 7,018
    edited March 2005
    QUOTE (Zek @ Mar 15 2005, 10:38 PM)
    It seems a little atmosphere-breaking for a gritty sci-fi setting. Maybe if it wasn't as colorful?

    we're talking about specific suggestions here, specifically to do with balance and architexture, stuff like "move X node to Y location so the marines have better access to it" or "hive Z needs to be closer to room C for siegeability"

    Lighting suggestions are fine, but specify which rooms need to be changed and maby make a suggestion for a good way to fix it.

    [edit] I won't have a chance to play and help out here, but this is the kind of thing mapper look for when they ask for imput. Not just generalized statements about the lighting of the map.
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  • SpoogeSpooge Thunderbolt missile in your cheerios Members Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 67Posts: 1,531 Fully active user
    Nobody was around so I just ran through and took some shots. Hope you don't mind if I post some.

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    Not sure what the blue is in these two shots.

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    Really like this but I'm not sure there's many places for marine structures.

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    I like this room and the entries into it but the light texture at the end is bleh.

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    This hive seems a bit small and the water really weakens it. I just didn't get a good feeling in there except for the platforms at the side-I like those.

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    Good stuff.

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    Not sure how this hive will play but it's just plain awsomeness in a bag. Way good.

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    This spot is really smart except that I fell in the hole. F4! sad-fix.gif

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    Tasty!


    Overall I have to say I don't think I've ever felt as immersed in a map as I do in Shiva. It really has the feel of being inside a structure. Other than the spots mentioned earlier, the marine start didn't have the same feel as the rest of the map and some of the hallways look impossible for an onos (I didn't get to try one though). Spoogey Score: 9/10
  • ZekZek Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Posts: 4,690 Advanced user
    QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Mar 15 2005, 10:47 PM)
    we're talking about specific suggestions here, specifically to do with balance and architexture, stuff like "move X node to Y location so the marines have better access to it" or "hive Z needs to be closer to room C for siegeability"

    Lighting suggestions are fine, but specify which rooms need to be changed and maby make a suggestion for a good way to fix it.

    I was talking specifically about the Shiva logo...
  • GoDlolGoDlol Members Join Date: 2005-01-08 Member: 33703Posts: 216
    I just gave the map a run around, and the detail you put into it is amazing. I dont know how long this took you but it looks like it has been a work in progress for ever, the detail on everything is just so cool. The problem is I was the only one in the server, therefore the mini map wasnt working and I couldnt get a feel for how it was layed out.

    And with that much detail in the map i would expect a better readyroom tounge.gif
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  • DragonMechDragonMech Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Posts: 6,778 Fully active user
    edited March 2005
    Awsome work moultano! I have one concern about your RT placement, however. One of the RTs in the double node group is unaccessable unless a marine welds it - which means aliens can easily be short one node that marines could easily get to. I suggest one of two things: either add a vent between the two nodes so that a skulk could wallwalk between the two (then gorge and then build the node), or move the second node to one of these places:
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    I would personally move the node, as double res points are usually bad for the flow of the map.


    [EDIT] And what's the middle weldable do? I could never figure that out...
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  • urinalcakeurinalcake Can&#39;t work a sound card United StatesMembers Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7799Posts: 653 Fully active user
    Hell yes, it's a great map!
    The great thing about the water hive is that its really easy to protect with units, since its harder to protect with structures, since its a higher cieling than wider room/
  • XenoXeno Members Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2343Posts: 240
    QUOTE (moultano @ Mar 16 2005, 03:00 AM)
    QUOTE (Xeno @ Mar 15 2005, 09:57 PM)
    i'll play some. but that shiva sign just cheapens the map for me..........

    Is there anything specifically about it? Just not like the look of it? Used to often?

    well, if it were up to me, i would get rid of it. would be kinda the same if you put jesus's face on the screens, hehe. it detracts from the atmosphere.

    however, you're probably gonna keep it, so how about just maybe moving it to 1 screen? but hey, that's just me.
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  • Black_ViperBlack_Viper Members Join Date: 2003-12-08 Member: 24157Posts: 820
    I about died when i saw this map, it should be included in the next version, its pure secz!
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  • WyzcrakWyzcrak Pot Pie Aficionado Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10447Posts: 920 mod
    We're taking this map for a walk for about the next 30 minutes on the Tactical Gamer server, in case that helps anyone wanting to check it out.

    Just a casual walk-through.

    Fast downloads will serve the map to new visitors in less than 10 seconds.

    See sig for details.
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    QUOTE (Xeno @ Mar 15 2005, 11:35 PM)
    well, if it were up to me, i would get rid of it. would be kinda the same if you put jesus's face on the screens, hehe. it detracts from the atmosphere.

    however, you're probably gonna keep it, so how about just maybe moving it to 1 screen? but hey, that's just me.

    The backstory explains why its referred to as Shiva Station. You can check it out here if you are interested.

    I'm planning on making more screens that are actually logged into the system, so the large shiva logos will be less prevalent in the final version. It just might take me a little bit to make the rest of the textures. Does the logo annoy you as much on the screens when it is small?
  • KurvyKurvy Members, Constellation Join Date: 2005-03-15 Member: 45406Posts: 17 Fully active user
    It could use a little bit more of work. Maybe a little movements here and there..
    I'll send pics of what i think should be done later on.
    One things FOR SURE A Better readyroom for an awesome map like this. <

    Overall, Awesome job! tsa.gif
    I can see alot of potential you and you should make more more maps!!! smile-fix.gif
    I am blinded by the ... details.. omg is that jesus biggrin-fix.gif
  • WyzcrakWyzcrak Pot Pie Aficionado Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue Join Date: 2002-12-04 Member: 10447Posts: 920 mod
    Dear sweet Lord, what a beautiful map. It looks beautiful. Can't wait to play it.
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  • DragonMechDragonMech Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Posts: 6,778 Fully active user
    Just to let everyone know, I've added a few screenshots to my 1st post (first page). Enjoy! biggrin-fix.gif
    I see custom titles. <_< >_>

    QUOTE (DOOManiac @ Jul 10 2005, 07:00 PM)
    I for one can't imagine downloading several gigs of pornography from a typewriter.
  • SaltzBadSaltzBad Members Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26833Posts: 1,275
    I don't know why anyone would critique the readyroom. Its simple but it gets the mood across perfectly.

    Anyways, I envy you as an architect and artist right here and artist right here and now. Of course I'm biased, been following Shivas developement since you started posting teasers in the mapping forum - it just escaped my mind to comment on it earlier. But I'm not sure what level of NS player you are - are you aware of the problems that come with the occasional uninterrupted tight hallways, underwater combat (and spawning near it, sweet jesus), or ramps?

    That doesn't mean none of these should appear. It means those are just some arbitrarily picked factors that determine playability and balance - theres quite a few more. In short, my worry is that the whole terrain looks a bit marine biased - sure its full of nooks and crannys, but it seems littered with spots to sodomize higher lifeforms with, and close enough to points of interest to make them powerful.

    Should you change anything? Please don't yet. I'm not even that worried about the damn doublenode. If at all possible, I'll try to see that this map is on at least one #nspickup server and gets some competitive testing - sure its not the end-all standard, but it outlines playability issues real quick.

    So I just posted to say "Hey, constructive criticism later, but I wanted to sound important". Go me.
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    Just posted this to the CAL forum thread on it based on some of their feedback.
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    Thanks a lot guys. I'm probably going to wait til people play on it a bit before I start modifying it heavily, but here's what I'm thinking for the next version.
    • Enlarge Marine start
    • Add visual cue to the sublevel control weldable.
    • Improve response time on elevators.
    • Speed up shiva core weldable and shipment processing weldable. (I want to keep sublevel control weldable somewhat slow so the alien team has time to both notice that it is being welded and try to stop it. We'll see how it plays, but my vision of it was that someone would need to cover the **** of the person doing the welding for a noticeable amount of time.)
    • Add either tasteful ladders or trigger_hurts to draft shafts.
    • Work on enlarging small hallways in general.

    I'm probably not going to be widening the steam tunnels much. The geometry around there is somewhat of a pain to work with, and I had intended to make them feel claustrophobic. I'm hoping it'll just make that area dominated by Onos vs. Heavy Armour combat and won't hurt the balance of the map too much. I share the concerns about narrow hallways in the rest of the map. I'd like to see how it plays first, but if its an issue its definitely something I'll work on.

    Again, thanks a lot everyone smile-fix.gif.


    Has anyone gotten a game going on it yet?
  • mr_drug_lordmr_drug_lord Members Join Date: 2005-01-11 Member: 34836Posts: 192
    this baby is beautiful
  • Shadow_SporkShadow_Spork Members Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33306Posts: 94
    Holy crap man! This map should deserve it's debut in 3.1. It's friggin awesome.

    I don't know what else to say at this point. I've just scouted the map. When I have more time, I'll give you some feedback. But this map is really looking good. biggrin-fix.gif
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  • Viper_two_nine_AViper_two_nine_A Members Join Date: 2004-09-29 Member: 31989Posts: 173
    as i told you on your server:
    there are some visible bugs

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  • Viper_two_nine_AViper_two_nine_A Members Join Date: 2004-09-29 Member: 31989Posts: 173
    edited March 2005
    and here

    at this point i was not fast enough to hit f5 so that the error appears on the screen wink-fix.gif
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  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    Awesome. I'll slap some hint brushes in there for the next version. My compile log shows one more vis problem somewhere else in the map, but I couldn't find it. You've gotten 2 out of three, whoever finds the third gets a cookie. smile-fix.gif
  • PRTePRTe Members Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21919Posts: 607
    i just went through the map and wow, i got blown away. this map really has atmosphere... and it's got some of the most innovative design i've seen yet. i mean it actually feels like a space station, tight corridors and all. might be a probem for oni though, we'll see. but yea i agree that the logo does put me off somehow. looks like something out of india with the oil lamps and stuff. maybe change it to something else, a flaming meteor with some curly stuff around it? i dunno
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  • epsilonepsilon Members Join Date: 2005-01-07 Member: 33348Posts: 1
    Beautiful map. One of the nicest maps I've seen actually.

    There is a problem at the weldable above airlock hive though. When the two doors close the marines have an invicilble room to build in. They can either build first, then weld it shut or build through the door. I'd suggest removing one door, or maybe only letting one close.

    I also share the concern about the name. Just as a map called ns_Allah would seem inapropriate, using a(facet of the) Hindu God seems wrong. Hinduism is very much a vibrant religion with(alot) of followers. Even though we don't notice Hinduism as much in North America as Christianity and Islam, I think it deserves the same respect. I personally would feel much more comfortable with a name that doesn't make me think about the real world and religious conflicts while I'm playing a fun game, especially on such a gorgeous map.

    Cheers on such a great mapping job.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Posts: 6,778 Fully active user
    QUOTE (epsilon @ Mar 18 2005, 03:03 PM)
    There is a problem at the weldable above airlock hive though. When the two doors close the marines have an invicilble room to build in. They can either build first, then weld it shut or build through the door. I'd suggest removing one door, or maybe only letting one close.

    A few more vents overlooking that area so gorges could bilebomb and lerks could spore would help with that.

    Another wacky idea: if it's possible, maybe those doors could only be closed for a certain ammount of time. IE: 30 seconds after they have been welded shut, they reopen, and need to be welded shut again.
    I see custom titles. <_< >_>

    QUOTE (DOOManiac @ Jul 10 2005, 07:00 PM)
    I for one can't imagine downloading several gigs of pornography from a typewriter.
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