The Deal With The Steam

NovakoalaNovakoala Members, Constellation Join Date: 2002-07-17 Member: 962Posts: 307
Will 3.0 be in 'My Games' list or not?
1. I'm excited about the release of 3.0 final just like everybody else, but I seem to recall some talk a while back about NS getting onto the Steam 'My Games' list. With, you know, it's own official icon and everything.

From that Computer Games Magazine interview (25th February):
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We're also hoping to see NS fully integrated into Steam, under the "My Games" list.

Not entirely sure how accurate that interview is, since in it Flay promised NS 3.1 in 'four to six weeks', complete with 'an exciting new system that we've been working for quite some time' (it's the BUS, folks!).

It's been a while since I've heard anything about this My Games thing and nobody on the forums seems to have mentioned it. Is this happening or not?

2. Valve mentioned a while ago that they would be letting some mods on to the Steam content servers. Talk of this, too, has dissapeared. I assume from the request for file mirrors on the front page that this isn't happening, but it'd be nice to hear some official comment on it.

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Can't wait 'till release...
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  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&S in a long while Members Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Posts: 2,995
    For 3.0... no...

    But we are continuing to work with Valve on getting NS into that list.
  • moultanomoultano Creator of ns_shiva. Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Shadow, WC 2013 - Gold, NS2 Community Developer, Pistachionauts Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10806Posts: 4,219 Advanced user
    QUOTE (Zunni @ Mar 4 2005, 12:12 PM)
    For 3.0... no...

    But we are continuing to work with Valve on getting NS into that list.

    What is the primary obstacle?
  • Omega_DeathOmega_Death Sith apprentice to a box of Cereal Members Join Date: 2003-08-06 Member: 19042Posts: 558 Advanced user
    QUOTE (moultano @ Mar 4 2005, 12:16 PM)
    What is the primary obstacle?

    Valve
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    Some people need a good slap in the back of the head...with a cinder block.
  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&S in a long while Members Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Posts: 2,995
    Primary obstacle???

    Time, theirs and ours... We have been focussed on 3.0, and they are very much focussed on Steam and DoD:S (as well as continuing HL2 stuff)

    But, we are working on getting the issues addressed, and it's still a priority for us.
  • eekerseekers Members Join Date: 2005-03-03 Member: 43112Posts: 7
    Wait, so if it would be under my games would it be there after you download the game, or would it be there for everyone, including people that never downloaded or heard of NS.
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  • Guardian1Guardian1 Members Join Date: 2003-09-14 Member: 20853Posts: 94
    I'm surprised it hasn't gone in there sooner, considering how polished NS is. In my opinion, it's the best quality mod available for the HL engine to date that hasn't been bought up by Valve.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Posts: 12,841
    QUOTE (eekers @ Mar 4 2005, 05:38 PM)
    Wait, so if it would be under my games would it be there after you download the game, or would it be there for everyone, including people that never downloaded or heard of NS.

    The latter.
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  • aeroripperaeroripper NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471Posts: 2,423 mod
    QUOTE
    I'm surprised it hasn't gone in there sooner, considering how polished NS is. In my opinion, it's the best quality mod available for the HL engine to date that hasn't been bought up by Valve.


    Agreed, even more than CS (*throws up)

    I thought if you had it under My Games, valve would have to have the rights to the title?

    Would it confuse people to see natural selection up there with the main list of games? Of course, what about all those other games like codename gordon and classic deathmatch and stuff.... I could live with it :-P Also talk about a massive influx of players... probably get a couple thousand easily. All the CS players would have something new to play
  • Lt.RealnessLt.Realness Members Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Posts: 740 Fully active user
    QUOTE (Zunni @ Mar 4 2005, 12:12 PM)
    For 3.0... no...

    But we are continuing to work with Valve on getting NS into that list.

    doesn't NS has to be an official MOD to be in the "my games" list ?

    this exactly what Flayra don't want to make with NS.
    listen to this interview here
    audio interview with Flayra (it's about 30MB)

    the part starts at 45:16 mins

    so I'm a little bit confused about that marine.gif
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  • Lt_PatchLt_Patch Members Join Date: 2005-02-07 Member: 40286Posts: 1,229 Advanced user
    QUOTE
    All the CS players would have something new to play


    Would you really want the CS people to play? Most of them just switch sides, or disconnect when they show any sign of losing. (Used to work at a gaming center, so I have witnessed this en masse, first hand)
    And they'd complain about SoF, para being akin to wallhacks. They'd moan that marines have all the best guns, and that aliens are crap. They'd scream "HAX0R!!!!" when a skulk kills them. They'd be looking for a sniper rifle, or an M4A1, and never play NS again when they realise that it's not in it, neither is the AK47.

    I personally wouldn't want CS-minded players to play NS, or at least not on the servers that I play on...
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  • aeroripperaeroripper NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation Join Date: 2005-02-25 Member: 42471Posts: 2,423 mod
    QUOTE (Lt Patch @ Mar 4 2005, 02:55 PM)
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    All the CS players would have something new to play


    Would you really want the CS people to play? Most of them just switch sides, or disconnect when they show any sign of losing. (Used to work at a gaming center, so I have witnessed this en masse, first hand)
    And they'd complain about SoF, para being akin to wallhacks. They'd moan that marines have all the best guns, and that aliens are crap. They'd scream "HAX0R!!!!" when a skulk kills them. They'd be looking for a sniper rifle, or an M4A1, and never play NS again when they realise that it's not in it, neither is the AK47.

    I personally wouldn't want CS-minded players to play NS, or at least not on the servers that I play on...

    I was being sarcastic :-P

    We already have enough whiney CS players playing it

    lol, for about 5 minutes in a game i was in this guy was asking "how do i get weapons" "what is a infantry portal for"

    haha, we had him trying to bind a "buy" key for a while but he couldn't figure it out :-P


  • QwertyMcDunkinQwertyMcDunkin Members Join Date: 2002-10-06 Member: 1443Posts: 111
    CS PLAYERS PLAYING NS??? AND THEY ARE NEW??? LOL!

    Really guys, be nice to new players, it isn't going to kill you. Twice have I scrimmed against CS clans trying out NS and they were more than nice. In fact, they acted more adult-like and mature, as well as having good attitudes, than most omega and delta teams. Not to say that they knew what they were doing, but they were more amiable players than the status quo that you magically expect from regular NS gamers, considering they can be just as bad, if not worse, than an edgy 16 year old who thinks hes hot **** at CS. Nothing makes you better than them, like I said before, try and be nice.
  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&S in a long while Members Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Posts: 2,995
    QUOTE
    doesn't NS has to be an official MOD to be in the "my games" list ?


    Official...

    Not owned by Valve...

    That is 2 completely different things..

    As far as I can remember TFC, CodeName Gordon are not Valve owned..

    Simply put it's a way for Valve to extend it's sales reach.. You want to play Natural Selection, then you have to buy HL.. And the more people that can find NS and quality mods like that, the better sales Valve will do. So it's really a win-win..

    Flay's comments were about selling NS to Valve...

  • DarkFrostDarkFrost Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15154Posts: 1,417
    Woah... this topic fell into the gutter faster than most :o
  • Lt.RealnessLt.Realness Members Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Posts: 740 Fully active user
    QUOTE (Zunni @ Mar 4 2005, 03:53 PM)
    Flay's comments were about selling NS to Valve...

    yes but Flayra said that valve has to buy the rights for that.

    and also valve hasn't offered and he's not interested (these are his words!)
    he added "So I think that's never gonna happen"

    I think you mean that it will just appear in the "my games" list like Sven Coop but it won't be an official MOD under valve's influence right ?
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  • ViolenceViolence Members Join Date: 2004-10-10 Member: 32199Posts: 67 Fully active user
    Hey guys don't be so harsh on CS players. My first copy of Half-life was Counter-Strike and without CS I would not be here today. I am a decent NS player and am an admin on a public server that is getting to be pretty popular. So not all CS players are evil little snot-nose 13 years olds, mmkay biggrin-fix.gif
  • Lt.RealnessLt.Realness Members Join Date: 2004-03-17 Member: 27379Posts: 740 Fully active user
    edited March 2005
    @violence
    same for me! I played CS since it's release of the beta 2 and I stopped playing it when it was at version 1.5 ..I thought about to stop playing since 1.3 but I was too much addicted tounge.gif

    then I stopped playing CS for about 1 year and started playing NS in January 2004. I liked the mod because of the oldschool feeling like it was back in 1998 and the years after with lots of cool mods like "Cold Ice" and so on =)

    I totally dislike most of the CS players today because they mostly got their own "language" (if you can call that a language biggrin-fix.gif) and they are annoying when they join an NS game.
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  • ZunniZunni The best thing to happen to I&S in a long while Members Join Date: 2002-11-26 Member: 10016Posts: 2,995
    QUOTE
    QUOTE (Zunni @ Mar 4 2005, 03:53 PM)
    Flay's comments were about selling NS to Valve...

    yes but Flayra said that valve has to buy the rights for that.

    and also valve hasn't offered and he's not interested (these are his words!)
    he added "So I think that's never gonna happen"

    I think you mean that it will just appear in the "my games" list like Sven Coop but it won't be an official MOD under valve's influence right ?


    Correct, though it will appear in the "my games" list.. Valve will have no influence over the direction of it..
  • VarsityVarsity Members Join Date: 2004-01-29 Member: 25687Posts: 376
    It can't take THAT long to port it...
  • Cj_the_DjCj_the_Dj Members Join Date: 2004-03-18 Member: 27398Posts: 220
    edited March 2005
    IMHO, i'd estimate some 60% of CS players would act like Lt. Patch described them. Although it would bring many players to NS (which is good for NS development and future sales), it would suck for the more experienced players. After all, there is a good amount of nubs today.

    That same 60% would be a thorn on our side. CS players just stereotype all other mods to be LIKE CS, so we would be getting alot of "how to get bigger gun?" and other stuff similar.

    Yeck, 16 year old guy who think he all that at CS....i knew someone like that. he was so influential at school that i didn't dare critisize him tounge.gif It was annoying as hell being in the same class when he tells us about how he's in some stpuid tournament for 45 straight minuits.
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  • AlcapwnAlcapwn "War is the science of destruction" - John Abbot Members Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Posts: 1,965
    New people WILL come, and I dont want some guy flaming a Nub just because he's asking questions. That how you learn...
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  • GenomaxterGenomaxter Members Join Date: 2003-10-11 Member: 21597Posts: 89
    edited March 2005
    You all need to stop hittting on the "newbies". Without newbies, the game wont go to well in the future. We all arent born with a super brain that can figure out a game THE SECOND we get in. Sooo, to compensate for this, WE ASK QUESTIONS!! Now I admit, some plp ask more than others, but think of yourself as the teacher. You tell them what they need to know and give the detentions when they act like jerks. SIMPLE AS THAT.
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  • SnowknightSnowknight Members Join Date: 2003-05-26 Member: 16716Posts: 9
    QUOTE (Zunni @ Mar 4 2005, 02:53 PM)
    ..
    As far as I can remember TFC, CodeName Gordon are not Valve owned..
    ..

    Just to help you out, TFC is an official mod.
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Posts: 12,841
    QUOTE (Varsity @ Mar 4 2005, 10:27 PM)
    It can't take THAT long to port it...

    So that's why DoD:S is not yet out and CS:S took more than a year wink-fix.gif
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  • Invader_ScootInvader_Scoot Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow Join Date: 2003-10-13 Member: 21669Posts: 1,589 Fully active user
    To be honest, I'd really like just a 'Yes' or 'No' on whether or not NS will be put in the "My Games" list. Of course, these days Yes and No seem to be just some figment of imagination. tounge.gif

    I'd love to see NS get an icon next to it's name.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Posts: 12,841
    If only it was that simple...

    We want My Games support. Valve wants to get us My Games suport. But both sides happen to have a lot of side business going, if you see what I mean. We will try to get on one page. More, we can not say.
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    And if I haven't seen further, it's because those bloody giants have blocked my sight.
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    QUOTE (Nemesis Zero @ Mar 4 2005, 07:59 PM)
    More, we can not say.

    Here is the REAL "My Games List" question on everybody's mind:

    Fade eye or Hive for the icon? biggrin-fix.gif
    I see custom titles. <_< >_>

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  • MamboKingMamboKing Members Join Date: 2004-03-06 Member: 27169Posts: 207
    QUOTE (Nemesis Zero @ Mar 4 2005, 08:59 PM)
    If only it was that simple...

    We want My Games support. Valve wants to get us My Games suport. But both sides happen to have a lot of side business going, if you see what I mean. We will try to get on one page. More, we can not say.

    Side business, eh? Does that mean we should get ready for the UWE-Valve-Blizzard alliance against the evil Vivendi overlords? asrifle.gif
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  • CageyCagey Ex-Unknown Worlds Programmer Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8829Posts: 1,751
    QUOTE (Invader Scoot @ Mar 4 2005, 05:53 PM)
    To be honest, I'd really like just a 'Yes' or 'No' on whether or not NS will be put in the "My Games" list. Of course, these days Yes and No seem to be just some figment of imagination.  tounge.gif

    You just need to ask the right questions... we can't promise things that are not completely under our own control.

    "Is the NS team still trying to get NS on the My Games list?" - Yes
    "Is Valve still offering to put NS on the My Games list?" - Yes
    "Can you tell us when that will happen?" - No
    "Do you yourself know when that will happen?" - No
    "Can you say for sure that it will happen at all?" - No

    "Would Valve control NS content after it's on the My Games list?" - No
    "Would Valve control the NS development schedule after it's on the My Games list?" - No
    "Would Valve control the release schedule of NS updates after it's on the My Games list?" - Yes
    "Would Valve control the future of the NS universe after it's on the My Games list?" - No

    "Would Valve be able to make their own NS products after it's on the My Games list?" - No
    "Would UWE be able to make new NS products after it's on the My Games list?" - Yes
    "Will I have to buy anything extra to play NS after it's on the My Games list?" - No
    "Will NS be sold in stores like CS was after it's on the My Games list?" - No

    QUOTE
    I'd love to see NS get an icon next to it's name.

    Me too wink-fix.gif.
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